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11,000 Sindhi, Sikh migrants in Indore to get citizenship

I haven't done - was just trying to be rational with Hindutvadi Troll who gets banned every other week and pops up with new ID'S and spill bigotiry :hitwall:

And I have replied to you rationally and with facts. If you can't handle the truth, why call names and cry. :disagree:
 
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Were you the very same person,who have said that Virgin Mary and Magdalene Mary are same and called Jesus a %%%%??..
If you have no knowledge about other religions,why are you poking into others internal affairs unnecessarily??...You have no shame ,we know..But at least try to keep some distance from others
sentiments...

Only it wasn't me, it was your own christian brothers in the west and Christian scrolls which claimed it. :lol:

Jesus & Mary Magdalene were 'married with children,' ancient manuscript claims — RT News

"....claims in the book is that Mary Magdalene was the same person as the Virgin Mary. "

'Lost gospel' claims Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had children - Telegraph

Mary Magdalene and the Mother-Daughter Relationship | Rosjke Hasseldine

If you want to cry about sentiments then don't get involved in debates which are sentimental. LOL. ..... have some shame before you cry, beg or plead.


There is a separate thread on that topic ........... why not raise that thread again instead of trolling in this tread ? :P I will be happy to oblige.
 
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In a significant move, Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar today allowed Shiromani Akali Dal’s Khadoor Sahib member Rattan Singh Ajnala’s private member Bill to amend Article 25 of the Constitution to meet the community’s pressing demand.

The Bill titled ‘Constitution Amendment Bill 2012’ seeks to drop Explanation II in Article 25, which — while guaranteeing a right to freely profess, practice and propagate religion — defines Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism as components of the Hindu religion.

The Bill also refers to the recommendation to amend Article 25 along similar lines made by the National Commission on Review of the Constitution headed by former Chief Justice of India Justice MN Venkatachaliah during the NDA regime.

The Bill at hand is a constitutional amendment Bill and the second majority's bill moved as a private bill by Sikh MPs. The Anand Karaj Amendment Act was earlier moved as a private member’s Bill in Rajya Sabha by former MP Tarlochan Singh.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News

Above goes the Religious Exclusivity and calling other Known Anti-Hindutvadi. This was promised to Sikhs when Gandhi's and Nehru's asked Sikhs to Join Indian Dominion. This is not that all of the sudden, some religious fanatics are asking for.:coffee:

I never ever claimed or mentioned on PDF that their aren't similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism. :shout:

I didn't make any posts in thread looking through the lenses of Religion. Was only debating on context of Secularism and was pointing out the Discrimination in Article 25's
sub clause. :lazy:

I was told following : 'The Only similarity I see with islam is your attempts to politicize religion'. I refrain myself from debating on Religion. I thought, I can educate the Member that Sikhism has Similarities with Hinduism and Islam and they all are Distinct Religion. However, this Time, Lord Marvarn didn't choose the Typical Sanskrit Name. Hence, I ended up replying to his post which I usually ignore and apply the following saying: 'Never to wrestle with Pigs. You both get dirty and Pigs like it'. :sick:

Once can find Similarities in almost all the Religious like Sikhism has with Hinduism and Islam. However, it doesn't make it the Cult variation of that Religion. :laughcry:

LOL. You very well knew it was me but thought you could prove your claim only to be beaten hollow and exposed. So now you go crying saying you don't "wrestle with pigs" :P

There is no naturally similarity with Abrahamic religion and Dharmic religion. They are poles apart. The entire premise of the faith is different, its origins are different, its geography is different, its culture is different.

Political Sikhism is the driving force for people like you and hence the demand for a separate identity in law. It brings nothing new to the table except an opportunity for Sikhs to claim they are different and hence superior. Its an desperate attempt to revive the ghosts of the past and sow new seeds for future trouble.
 
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Only it wasn't me, it was your own christian brothers in the west and Christian scrolls which claimed it. :lol:

Jesus & Mary Magdalene were 'married with children,' ancient manuscript claims — RT News

"....claims in the book is that Mary Magdalene was the same person as the Virgin Mary. "

'Lost gospel' claims Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had children - Telegraph

Mary Magdalene and the Mother-Daughter Relationship | Rosjke Hasseldine

If you want to cry about sentiments then don't get involved in debates which are sentimental. LOL. ..... have some shame before you cry, beg or plead.


There is a separate thread on that topic ........... why not raise that thread again instead of trolling in this tread ? :P I will be happy to oblige.
Its you(including Indrani) who are giving religious touch to each and every silly things and insulting other faiths and Gods in this forum...You are an embarrassment to Indians,Hindus in particular...
shame??
Thats why you are sprouting with new and new IDs after repeated bans...
 
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Its you(including Indrani) who are giving religious touch to each and every silly things and insulting other faiths and Gods in this forum...You are an embarrassment to Indians,Hindus in particular...
shame??
Thats why you are sprouting with new and new IDs after repeated bans...

LOL at your embarrassment :lol: ...... grow a thicker skin and a pair of balls. Stop crying like a baby when you get spanked for your stupidity.
 
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LOL at your embarrassment :lol: ...... grow a thicker skin and a pair of balls. Stop crying like a baby when you get spanked for your stupidity.
Yes,But its not a big deal to badmouthing others in internet..only some basic English skills needed...Actually it has to do more with SHAME....If you don't have a drop of it...leave the matter then..
 
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Yes,But its not a big deal to badmouthing others in internet..only some basic English skills needed...Actually it has to do more with SHAME....If you don't have a drop of it...leave the matter then..

You have already proven that ....... only you don't have the balls to stand up to the counter attack. Only fools walk into a pakistan forum with shame as their shield :lol:
 
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You have no words for this, since when a Indian is short of word, only when he supports another Indian, mosques in India are in dire straight , many many mosque are use in cities as a storage for animals food, Muslim in specially Punjab are scared to visit them.

Dumbo.

Lay down your Afghan weed for one minute and cross check you own references.

The result that google provide for "Images of Mosques converted to Temples" is actually that of "Images of Temples converted to Mosques".

Image 1 is that of Jahanjhari Masjid which was constructed by Ibrahim naib barak, brother of Firuz shah tuglaq.This masjid was constructed after demolishing a Temple made by raja vijaya chandra of Kannauj.

Image 2 is that of Aina mosque build after demolishing a temple.

Image 3 is of Char minar and it is not a temple, even today.

Image 4 is of martand sun temple destroyed by 72hoories army of Ghazi Sikander Butshikhan.
 
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@abjktu This is for those who Believe Hinduism and Sikhism is same and we believe in their Deities - Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva Etc and says Hindus and Sikhs are same. The one who believes have exposed me :blah::blah::blah:. The one who thinks, so is making laughing stock of himself. :lol: If it were then there would be no need for Sikhism! I have no intention in being disrespectful or offensive, and with that in mind, I will present direct quotations.

Hindu Deities

Sikhism believes in only one God, who is not considered human or an incarnation. The Hindu Deities were born but according to Sikhism, God does not take birth :

ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥
Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3||

--Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1136


Sikhism does not attach any importance to Hindu Avtaars. According to Sikhism the Hindu Deities were not perfect and did not impart proper knowledge to their followers. They themselves were suffering from numerous social and moral diseases:


ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਰੋਗੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਈ ॥
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva suffer from the disease of the three gunas - the three qualities; they do their deeds in egotism.
ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਏ ਤਿਸਹਿ ਨ ਚੇਤਹਿ ਬਪੁੜੇ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੋਝੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥
The poor fools do not remember the One who created them; this understanding of the Lord is only obtained by those who become Gurmukh. ||2||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 852


ਬ੍ਰਹਮੈ ਗਰਬੁ ਕੀਆ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥
Brahma acted in pride, and did not understand.
ਬੇਦ ਕੀ ਬਿਪਤਿ ਪੜੀ ਪਛੁਤਾਨਿਆ ॥
Only when he was faced with the downfall of the Vedas did he repent.
ਜਹ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਮਰੇ ਤਹੀ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੧॥
Remembering God in meditation, the mind is conciliated. ||1||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 224


ਰੋਗੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਸਰੁਦ੍ਰਾ ਰੋਗੀ ਸਗਲ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are diseased; the whole world is diseased (with egotism).
ਹਰਿ ਪਦੁ ਚੀਨਿ ਭਏ ਸੇ ਮੁਕਤੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਾ ॥੪॥
Those who remember the Lord's Feet and contemplate the Word of the Guru's Shabad are liberated. ||4||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1153


ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਤਿ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥
Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu and Consort of Sachi (Indra) would ultimately fall in the noose of death.
ਜੇ ਨਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪਤਿ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਸ ਹੈਂ ਪਗ ਤੇ ਨਰ ਫੇਰ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਧਰੈਂਗੇ ॥੮॥੨੮॥
But those who fall at the feet of Lord-God, they would not appear again in physical form. 8.28.

--Sri Dasam Granth, Ang 41


According to Sikhism, the Hindu Deities are also neither unique:

ਕੋਟਿ ਬਿਸਨ ਕੀਨੇ ਅਵਤਾਰ ॥
He created millions of incarnations of Vishnu.
ਕੋਟਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਧ੍ਰਮਸਾਲ ॥
He created millions of universes as places to practice righteousness.
ਕੋਟਿ ਮਹੇਸ ਉਪਾਇ ਸਮਾਏ ॥
He created and destroyed millions of Shivas.
ਕੋਟਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਜਗੁ ਸਾਜਣ ਲਾਏ ॥੧॥
He employed millions of Brahmas to create the worlds. ||1||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1156


ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama.
ਮਹਾਦੀਨ ਕੇਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀ ਮਾਂਝ ਹੂਏ ॥ ਸਮੈ ਆਪਨੀ ਆਪਨੀ ਅੰਤ ਮੂਏ ॥੨੭॥
Many Muhammads had been on the earth. They were born and then died in their own times. 27.
ਜਿਤੇ ਅਉਲੀਆ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਹੋਇ ਬੀਤੇ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤਾ ਨ ਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤੇ ॥
All the Prophets and saints of the past were conquered by Death (KAL), but none could conquer it (him).
ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹੁਇ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਏ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਖਾਪਿਓ ਨ ਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਘਾਏ ॥੨੮॥
All the incarnations of Vishnu like Rama and Krishan were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him. 28.

-- Sri Dasam Granth


ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਰਵਾਲ ॥
O Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him.

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 464


Bhagat Namdev, who was himself born a Hindu, sarcastically critises Hindu Gods as misguiding the people. He thinks that those who worship Hindu Gods can never be sure to obtain salvation:

ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਗੋਂਡ ॥
Bilaaval Gond:
ਆਜੁ ਨਾਮੇ ਬੀਠਲੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੋ ਸਮਝਾਊ ਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Today, Naam Dayv saw the Lord, and so I will instruct the ignorant. ||Pause||
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ਲੋਧੇ ਕਾ ਖੇਤੁ ਖਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥
O Pandit, O religious scholar, your Gayatri was grazing in the fields.
ਲੈ ਕਰਿ ਠੇਗਾ ਟਗਰੀ ਤੋਰੀ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਲਾਂਗਤ ਜਾਤੀ ਥੀ ॥੧॥
Taking a stick, the farmer broke its leg, and now it walks with a limp. ||1||
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਧਉਲੇ ਬਲਦ ਚੜਿਆ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥
O Pandit, I saw your great god Shiva, riding along on a white bull.
ਮੋਦੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਖਾਣਾ ਪਾਕਾ ਵਾ ਕਾ ਲੜਕਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਥਾ ॥੨॥
In the merchant's house, a banquet was prepared for him - he killed the merchant's son. ||2||
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਸੋ ਭੀ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥
O Pandit, I saw your Raam Chand coming too;
ਰਾਵਨ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਰਬਰ ਹੋਈ ਘਰ ਕੀ ਜੋਇ ਗਵਾਈ ਥੀ ॥੩॥
he lost his wife, fighting a war against Raawan. ||3||
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਤੁਰਕੂ ਕਾਣਾ ॥
The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.
ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
The spiritual teacher is wiser than both of them.
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪੂਜੈ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥
The Hindu worships at the temple, the Muslim at the mosque.
ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਜਹ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਨ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥੪॥੩॥੭॥
Naam Dayv serves that Lord, who is not limited to either the temple or the mosque. ||4||3||7||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 874

Spiritual State of Hindu Deities

ਜੁਗਹ ਜੁਗਹ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਕੀਏ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਰਿ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ॥
In each and every age, He creates the kings, who are sung of as His Incarnations (Avtaars).
ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥੭॥
Even they have not found His limits; what can I speak of and contemplate? ||7||

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 423


According to Sikhism, there are 5 Regions : Dharam Khand, Gian Khand, Saram Khand, Karam Khand and Sach Khand. God resides in Sach Khand....

ਸਚ ਖੰਡਿ ਵਸੈ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥
In the realm of Truth, the Formless Lord abides.

-- Sri Jupp Ji Sahib, Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 8

...but the Hindu Deities, even Buddha, reside in 'Gyan Khand' :

ਗਿਆਨ ਖੰਡ ਕਾ ਆਖਹੁ ਕਰਮੁ ॥
And now we speak of the realm of spiritual wisdom.
ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥
So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas.
ਕੇਤੇ ਬਰਮੇ ਘਾੜਤਿ ਘੜੀਅਹਿ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਕੇ ਵੇਸ ॥
So many Brahmas, fashioning forms of great beauty, adorned and dressed in many colors.
ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮੀ ਮੇਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਧੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥
So many worlds and lands for working out karma. So very many lessons to be learned!
ਕੇਤੇ ਇੰਦ ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਮੰਡਲ ਦੇਸ ॥
So many Indras, so many moons and suns, so many worlds and lands.
ਕੇਤੇ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਨਾਥ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਵੇਸ ॥
So many Siddhas and Buddhas, so many Yogic masters. So many goddesses of various kinds.
ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵ ਦਾਨਵ ਮੁਨਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਰਤਨ ਸਮੁੰਦ ॥
So many demi-gods and demons, so many silent sages. So many oceans of jewels.
ਕੇਤੀਆ ਖਾਣੀ ਕੇਤੀਆ ਬਾਣੀ ਕੇਤੇ ਪਾਤ ਨਰਿੰਦ ॥
So many ways of life, so many languages. So many dynasties of rulers.
ਕੇਤੀਆ ਸੁਰਤੀ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੇਤੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਅੰਤੁ ॥੩੫॥
So many intuitive people, so many selfless servants. O Nanak, His limit has no limit! ||35||

-- Sri Jupp Ji Sahib, Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 7


Satguru Nanak Dev Ji, Gurbani, Gurmantar and Gurmat are directly from Sachkhand, from God:


ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਕਢਾਏ ॥
O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it. (Ang 308)

ਬੋਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੀ ਤੇਰਾ ॥ ਤੂ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਗੁਣੀ ਗਹੇਰਾ ॥
I speak as You cause me to speak; O Lord and Master, You are the ocean of excellence. (Ang 622)

ਹਉ ਆਪਹੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਮੈ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਭੁ ਹੁਕਮਾਉ ਜੀਉ ॥
By myself, I do not even know how to speak; I speak all that the Lord commands. (Ang 763)


Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji on Hindu Deities

Sikhs consider the Ten Gurus to be of one Jot (light) and that Jot is now manifest in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Therefore there is no contradition in thought from one Guru to the next. Sri Guru Gobind Singh has cateogorically made it clear who he worships:

ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਪੁ ਧਰਾ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਸ਼ਿਵਜੂ ਅਵਤਰਾ ॥
In due time Brahma appeared in physical form; in due time Shiva incarnated;
ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਕਰਿ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਾ ॥ ਸਕਲ ਕਾਲ ਕਾ ਕੀਯਾ ਤਮਾਸ਼ਾ ॥੩੮੩॥
In due time Vishnu manifested himself; all this is the play of the Temporal Lord.383.
ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਜੋਗੀ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਕੀਯੋ ॥ ਬੇਦ ਰਾਜ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਜੂ ਥੀਯੋ ॥
The Temporal Lord, who created Shiva, the Yogi; who created Brahma, the Master of the Vedas;
ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਸਭ ਲੋਕ ਸਵਾਰਾ ॥ ਨਮਸ਼ਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥੩੮੪॥
The Temporal Lord who fashioned the entire world; I salute the same Lord.384.
ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਦੇਵ ਦੈਤ ਜੱਛਨ ਉਪਜਾਯੋ ॥
The Temporal Lord, who created the whole world; who created gods, demons and yakshas;
ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਏਕੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਸੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਮਝਿਯਹੁ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥੩੮੫॥
He is the only one form the beginning to the end; I consider Him only my Guru.385.

--Sri Dasam Granth, Ang 1466


ਕਾਹੂ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੨॥
Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator. ||12||

--(Sri Dasam Granth, 33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

Kirtan Naam and Gurmantar

"Vaheguru" is the Gurmantar given by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and meditation upon it is the most emphasised concept throughout the Sikh Scriptures. Other words like Hari, Govind, Banvari etc. are attributive names for God describing a particular quality. Gurbani isn't restricted to using just Hindu names, it also uses Islamic names such Allah, Rahim, etc. These names are collectively referred to as Kirtan Naam.

If a pagan was to assert that the word Allah in Quran refers to one of their idols, he would be clearly wrong and his claim would be dismissed as ridiculous and irrational because this word acquires special and specific meaning in the context of Quran. The point we emphasize is that when an already existing word is used in a different religious system, it acquires new definition, meaning and context and must be weighed according to the definitions and standards as outlined by the respective faith’s scriptures. In the same way, Hindu incarnations have nothing to do with the attributive names used for God in Gurbani.

When the Guru says that Ram and Allah are the same, he refers to it according to his definitions. Ram ceases to be a prince born in eastern India. Here Ram is God present within all creations.

In gurbani some names of God are used which were originally used for the names of incarnated gods of the polytheistic tradition but, the original monotheistic standpoint as revealed in the Sikh scripture and interpreted in the monotheistic framework was never shattered. All the names even of Hindu gods and of Islamic tradition were used according to the monotheistic model maintained by the Sikh theological formulation. In gurbani the same one Being was called Rama and Allah with equal theological meaning and respect.

It is not the letters or the sound symbols which have a meaning near God, but it is the mental content or the heart which is means of communion with God. It was this truth which did not make the guru prejudiced in favour of or against any name of God occurring in any language. Any name that he could recall (for God) was used by him.

Therefore, it is clear that words like Raam, Krishan, Allah etc. in Gurbani are used for the same God and not to describe Hindu or Islamic viewpoint of God." Sikhism is as distinct as distinct is Hinduism and Islam.

I can continue with above...:whistle:

Even after reading above text, if someone thinks, Hinduism and Sikhism is same needs a Psychiatric. :rofl:

Edit: @Srinivas do you have anything to add or say? :coffee:
 
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The IRONY of someone who's post is FULL of Vishnu, Ram, Shiva, Indira, ravan, Avatar, krishna, buddha, Yogi, Siddhi etc to claim it had nothing to do with Hinduism is just hilarious.

But you posting has proved why I had earlier called it " just a cult variation of Hinduism "

It borrows all ideas from Hinduism and tries to brainwash its followers by abusing it and asking them to blindly follow the "guru". :disagree: .... so much for your rational thinking.

Here is the Guru of the modern day cult variation of Hinduism, (from the same region too)

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300-400 years from now his followers will be demanding a "separate religion tag".
 
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You have already proven that ....... only you don't have the balls to stand up to the counter attack. Only fools walk into a pakistan forum with shame as their shield :lol:
But you have said that both are very same people...I am not good in bible..From my limited knowledge,Virgin mary was Jesus's mother and Magdalene mary was one of his followers..
What book or site are you quoting??.There are lot of anti ChristIan stuffs available in internet....But before shittin here,please make sure about its authenticity....
 
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But you have said that both are very same people...I am not good in bible..From my limited knowledge,Virgin mary was Jesus's mother and Magdalene mary was one of his followers..
What book or site are you quoting??.There are lot of anti ChristIan stuffs available in internet....But before shittin here,please make sure about its authenticity....

LOL. Why should I bother ? the links are provided....... you are free to swim in your own shit.
 
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Yes,But its not a big deal to badmouthing others in internet..only some basic English skills needed...Actually it has to do more with SHAME....If you don't have a drop of it...leave the matter then..

Both are Religious Bigot's. It's waste of time to engage with them. It's better to put them in Ignore List. :lol:
 
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