Zia ul Haq my grandfather

[Zarvan]

Looks like the religious charm is wearing off the nation to see these people desperately trying to defend their some-distant relative Zia-ul-Haq. The man responsible for forced Islamization, intense radicalization, extremism and subsquent terrorism, for bringing the ungrateful Afghans and their drugs and gun culture and for taking the country to destruction with his involvement in the so called Afghan Jihad taking help from the People of the Book. Too many Mard-e-Momins and Mominas supporting him, no wonder this country is going to the gutters.



Heard that your Taliban's bodies never rot and actually gives off Axe scent, how come we see them lie rotting in the sun with their body parts blown off? There being an explantion from the Mullah in the Friday sermon?

Yes blown them still more and more are fighting and kicking your master USA butts

 

[Secur]

The man engaged in a war to save the nation from socialist, godless people like you. He fought against the Soviet Union to protect the nation.

A protection that we didn't need since Soviet Union didn't have the power to cross the Durand Line and come to warm waters having already weakened by the internal factors- a superpower at decline which was trying a last ditch effort to save its communists friends in Kabul. The outcome would have been the same regarless of what we have done, the Soviet departure and a civil war in Afghanistan- something which happened and the Mujahids fought between themselves after the infidels were done. We needn't destroy our country with that level of involvment, when other measure of keeping up the pressure on the other side of the border would have sufficed. Now if you reply without your abuses, please proceed, otherwise dont bother.

 

[RazPaK]

A protection that we didn't need since Soviet Union didn't have the power to cross the Durand Line and come to warm waters having already weakened by the internal factors- a superpower at decline which was trying a last ditch effort to save its communists friends in Kabul. The outcome would have been the same regarless of what we have done, the Soviet departure and a civil war in Afghanistan- something which happened and the Mujahids fought between themselves after the infidels were done. We needn't destroy our country with that level of involvment, when other measure of keeping up the pressure on the other side of the border would have sufficed. Now if you reply without your abuses, please proceed, otherwise dont bother.

Oh and spetznas did not enter our country?

Bwhahaha. Read some books that aren't published by your demi-god.

You are a "TT", but your knowledge is not up to par.

Having a discussion with you seems pointless beyond sanity.

 

[forcetrip]

You retarded Karachites from Sindh that support PPP are worth the piss that I drain. Division of nation is acceptable as long as Zulfiqar Bhutto was in charge?

You faggots cease to realize that you alienated the Ahmedi population. Zia was too sensible of a man to play the role of God. Your demi-god Bhutto did this.

The man engaged in a war to save the nation from socialist, godless people like you. He fought against the Soviet Union to protect the nation.

You PPP supporting scum under Bhutto would have preferred taking it up the *** for a profit margin.

My God Bhutto? Maybe you took too many Arain vitamins again. Its classless beggar castes that do this sindhi punjabi Arain crap. Our families worked and build countries, not villages sitting in western countries. You do need to realize that you are as worthless as your whole entire family history in the bigger scheme of things. Zia did not protect anyone from anything. He was used by a country to further its goals and scorched the country with refugees and no money.

 

[Metanoia]

I don't understand....why do people start barking "Bhutto Bhutto" when confronted with the monster of Zia......does two wrongs make something right?

 

[Secur]

Oh and spetznas did not enter our country?

Bwhahaha. Read some books that aren't published by your demi-god.

You are a "TT", but your knowledge is not up to par.

Having a discussion with you seems pointless beyond sanity.

So did the Indians capture Siachen Glacier, the point being? Soviet Union wasn't friend of this country, but it didn't have the power to come to warm waters. There are statements and signals from Moscow that Reds didn't intend to invade Pakistan, it wasn't possible for Islamabad was no push over. The Commander of the Faithful created a boogeyman and raised the threat to disproportionate levels to rally support for American interests in Afghanistan under the guise of religion.

P.S. I am no supporter of the man who broke Pakistan but do not expect me to support that person who made the utmost effort and brought destruction to the rest of it.

I don't understand....why do people start barking "Bhutto Bhutto" when confronted with the monster of Zia......does two wrongs make something right?

Diversionary tactics and evasive maneuever, what else?

 

[VCheng]

Ruining the country whilst the people were kept under the influence of opiate of the masses. The only thing that ever provided legimancy to his rule was the twisted interpretation of the religion further bolstered by the Ummah sedative and the Afghan Jihad and Pakistan's duty to the brother Afghans amnesiac. No wonder, the country is going through withdrawal of both and that takes time. Once the detox is complete which looking at N.Waziristan will be soon, we will proceed with rehabiliation.

Rehabilitation from the most powerful opiate is not going to be easy, and may even lead to the demise of the patient, Sir.

 

[Zarvan]

A protection that we didn't need since Soviet Union didn't have the power to cross the Durand Line and come to warm waters having already weakened by the internal factors- a superpower at decline which was trying a last ditch effort to save its communists friends in Kabul. The outcome would have been the same regarless of what we have done, the Soviet departure and a civil war in Afghanistan- something which happened and the Mujahids fought between themselves after the infidels were done. We needn't destroy our country with that level of involvment, when other measure of keeping up the pressure on the other side of the border would have sufficed. Now if you reply without your abuses, please proceed, otherwise dont bother.

You needed soviet had the power to cross liberal traitors deny it because it was there wet dream to welcome USSR but it was buried in Afghanistan

 

[Zarvan]

Rehabilitation from the most powerful opiate is not going to be easy, and may even lead to the demise of the patient, Sir.

Yes retards consider truth opiate but truth the Islam and its love among people will keep growing

 

[forcetrip]

I don't understand....why do people start barking "Bhutto Bhutto" when confronted with the monster of Zia......does two wrongs make something right?

Bhutto was no better than Zia. It was a Sonay pay Shuaga combination. Its only the weak minds that have no reasoning skills that bring up that debate. Some people have made a case for zia a lot better than the idiots we end up replying. I would suggest reading those posts instead of these life wasters.

 

[Metanoia]

Bhutto was no better than Zia. It was a Sonay pay Shuaga combination. Its only the weak minds that have no reasoning skills that bring up that debate. Some people have made a case for zia a lot better than the idiots we end up replying. I would suggest reading those posts instead of these life wasters.

That's precisely my point. Whenever the destruction by Zia is being discussed the weak and fable minded automatically assume the opposing party is pro-Bhutto...idiots.

 

[syedali73]

That's precisely my point. Whenever the destruction by Zia is being discussed the weak and fable minded automatically assume the opposing party is pro-Bhutto...idiots.

Since you have been using pretty abusive language throughout, what precisely is your point is difficult to ascertain for the readers. Now Zia's actions cant be analyzed in absolute isolation and the government(s) before (Bhutto's PPP) and after (BB/Nawaz/BB/Nawaz/Zardari) him have had their due share in the accumulated mess we as a nation and country find ourselves in. Taliban was not the creation of Zia, they were/are the brainchild of Naseer ullah Babar, the Federal Minister for the Interior of Benazir Bhutto, though the ground was indeed prepared during his (Zia's) time. Leave Nawaz since he was/is the mere extension of Zia, but why BB failed to fix the wrong things of Zia's time? or Zardari? Let me tell you why, because those things were/are never the priority of any of the government. Why selectively cursing Zia and leaving others out? is this not hypocrisy?

 

[Metanoia]

Since you have been using pretty abusive language throughout, what precisely is your point is difficult to ascertain for the readers. Now Zia's actions cant be analyzed in absolute isolation and the government(s) before (Bhutto's PPP) and after (BB/Nawaz/BB/Nawaz/Zardari) him have had their due share in the accumulated mess we as a nation and country find ourselves in. Taliban was not the creation of Zia, they were/are the brainchild of Naseer ullah Babar, the Federal Minister for the Interior of Benazir Bhutto, though the ground was indeed prepared during his (Zia's) time. Leave Nawaz since he was/is the mere extension of Zia, but why BB failed to fix the wrong things of Zia's time? or Zardari? Let me tell you why, because those things were/are never the priority of any of the government. Why selectively cursing Zia and leaving others out? is this not hypocrisy?

My abusive language is not targeted towards any forum members....it is only towards Zia and co.

Zia and Bhutto were the two juggernauts whilst these Nawaz and Benazir(L) are just mere extensions.

I will curse anyone who has brought and imposed a particular strain of Islam. I will curse anyone who has unleashed the demon of terrorism and jihadist tendencies in the country. I will curse anyone who fools the masses with so called notion of Ummah and whatnot.

Zia played a vital role in all of the above. You can open up a thread on Bhutto and I will talk about Bhutto as well....no problem.

PS. Just because the useless BB wasn't able to stop or reverse Zia's blunders doesn't mean Zia gets a free pass. A billion or more people have committed murder after Kane....does it mean Kane wasn't wrong?

 

[Secur]

Rehabilitation from the most powerful opiate is not going to be easy, and may even lead to the demise of the patient, Sir.

It wont be easy but recovery's still possible and I will gladly take that chance, seeing the current state of the patient.

You needed soviet had the power to cross liberal traitors deny it because it was there wet dream to welcome USSR but it was buried in Afghanistan

Ground realities of that era, prove otherwise. Of course, the Mullahs have a totally different version of that too, remaining in bed with the Americans for almost a decade.

 

[Multani]

It was Mr. Bhutto and legislators and creators of 1973 constitution who laid the foundation of the present day religious disaster in Pakistan. Gen Zia simply built on the foundation that was provided to him by Bhutto & Co and Moudoodi. It was not Zia who banned Alcohol or declared certain groups non-Muslims. Having said that, I do hold him responsible for dragging Pakistan into the so-called Afghan Jihad (I call it fasad). If it was not for that fasad, Pakistan would be a better country. However, successive governments are as much accompliced for they literally continue disastrous policies of Gen. Zia.

I call it fasad too. Because it wasn't a jihad . Didn't fulfill any conditions for Jihad even from a local Afghan perspective, and left them with bad memories rather than good ones. It was a political fasad.