Young people in China want traditional Han clothing back in fashion

[W.11]

Very curious thing here is the chinese clothing from Manchu Qing era is being frowned upon as non chinese @beijingwalker

@2:30

 

[beijingwalker]

Very curious thing here is the chinese clothing from Manchu Qing era is being frowned upon as non chinese @beijingwalker

@2:30

If Manchus are not Chinese , who they are?

 

[W.11]

If Manchus are not Chinese , who they are?

Let me quote you the video


from the 2001 APEC summit in Shanghai
showed world leaders posing in Manchu
clothing debates raged in the Chinese
internet about Manchu culture being used
to represent China internationally some
even calling it a secret Manchu plot to
usurp the Han Chinese users online
started to design how they would
envision Han clothing basing the designs
on clothing from hot majority dynasties
and Chinese period dramas to create
what's now known as Han Fuu the movement
was mostly online until electrician
named Wang wet Yan or a han film public
in 2003 since then this cultural
movement has spread to almost every
major city in China the Chinese
government has even created an official
Chinese dress national holiday widely
seen as a celebration of Han Fuu linking
national Chinese identity closer to
ethnic Han culture

If Manchus ar chinese why so much hatred and bias against Manchu clothing?

regards

 

[beijingwalker]

Let me quote you the video


from the 2001 APEC summit in Shanghai
showed world leaders posing in Manchu
clothing debates raged in the Chinese
internet about Manchu culture being used
to represent China internationally some
even calling it a secret Manchu plot to
usurp the Han Chinese users online
started to design how they would
envision Han clothing basing the designs
on clothing from hot majority dynasties
and Chinese period dramas to create
what's now known as Han Fuu the movement
was mostly online until electrician
named Wang wet Yan or a han film public
in 2003 since then this cultural
movement has spread to almost every
major city in China the Chinese
government has even created an official
Chinese dress national holiday widely
seen as a celebration of Han Fuu linking
national Chinese identity closer to
ethnic Han culture

If Manchus ar chinese why so much hatred and bias against Manchu clothing, if they are chinese?

regards

I m Chinese I never heard about this "debate" , you can ask other Chinese members if they did. Besides, the single most important entertainment event in China is annually Chinese spring festival gala, almost every single time the hostesses all wear Qipao in the show.
This video is just BS.

 

[Beast]

Let me quote you the video


from the 2001 APEC summit in Shanghai
showed world leaders posing in Manchu
clothing debates raged in the Chinese
internet about Manchu culture being used
to represent China internationally some
even calling it a secret Manchu plot to
usurp the Han Chinese users online
started to design how they would
envision Han clothing basing the designs
on clothing from hot majority dynasties
and Chinese period dramas to create
what's now known as Han Fuu the movement
was mostly online until electrician
named Wang wet Yan or a han film public
in 2003 since then this cultural
movement has spread to almost every
major city in China the Chinese
government has even created an official
Chinese dress national holiday widely
seen as a celebration of Han Fuu linking
national Chinese identity closer to
ethnic Han culture

If Manchus ar chinese why so much hatred and bias against Manchu clothing?

regards

If you bother to know abit more history of China. It is the manchu who decide to give up their culture and assimilate into Han Chinese in order to have the mandate of heaven to rule over Han Chinese. The so called manchu culture are heavily based on Han Chinese culture.

The last few emperor of Qing don't even know how to write Manchu script and speak manchurian. Imagine King George V don't even speak English but hindi only when rule Raj British India.

 

[W.11]

If you bother to know abit more history of China. It is the manchu who decide to give up their culture and assimilate into Han Chinese in order to have the mandate of heaven to rule over Han Chinese.

If we go with this argument that Alexander was also given persian titles and he even died in Babylon, does that mean that alexander was a persian? Similarly he was declared pharoah of egypt, does that mean that He was egyptian by any means?

regards

 

[Beast]

If we go with this argument that Alexander was also given persian titles and he even died in Babylon, does that mean that alexander was a persian? Similarly he was declared pharoah of egypt, does that mean that He was egyptian by any means?

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regards

Alexander don't speak egyptian and assimilate himself in egypt culture. Plus marcedonia is not part of egypt now. Manchuria is part of China and manchuria ethnicity is part of China recognise group in our law.

The very reason why Yuan dynasty and mongolia rule of China was so short lived and fragile was their leader refuse to assimilate as Han Chinese and Chinese like Zhu Yuan Zhang constantly rebel and eventually topple them. Same like alexander empire which is shortlived under him.

I advise you not to comment in Chinese history becos obviously it's not your speciality.

 

[Han Patriot]

If we go with this argument that Alexander was also given persian titles and he even died in Babylon, does that mean that alexander was a persian? Similarly he was declared pharoah of egypt, does that mean that He was egyptian by any means?

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regards

There are only 200 Manchu speakers left 10 yaers ago. Today almost none exist if not for Chinese government effort to preserve it. All Manchurian gave up their names and took on Chinese surnames 100 years ago and today almost all are assimilated into Han majority.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Very curious thing here is the chinese clothing from Manchu Qing era is being frowned upon as non chinese @beijingwalker

@2:30

Great. Must be Pakistani influence. China is going desi. As I keep saying modern Chinese are just clones of the West. What you see here [Hanfu] is the real desi culture of China. Will all of China go back to their own culture and give up being Western clones?

@Beast @beijingwalker

 

[Beast]

Great. Must be Pakistani influence. China is going desi. As I keep saying modern Chinese are just clones of the West. What you see here [Hanfu] is the real desi culture of China. Will all of China go back to their own culture and give up being Western clones?

@Beast @beijingwalker

There is no western dress but modern dress.

This is western dress.

Today modern lifestyle is not convenient with so many layer of dress for traditional dressing. It will be popular only in festive season in China.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There is no western dress but modern dress.

In Pakistan they call it Western or even Gora [White] dress. Wearing it is seen by many as being westoxified and abandoning your culture. Which is why if you look at most Pakistan leaders they wear traditional dress.

PM of Pakistan.

 

[In4ser]

If we go with this argument that Alexander was also given persian titles and he even died in Babylon, does that mean that alexander was a persian? Similarly he was declared pharoah of egypt, does that mean that He was egyptian by any means?

regards

Since you brought up Alexander, do you consider Cleopatra to be Egyptian? Because her family was ethnically Greek, descended from Alexander's General Ptolemy.

 

[Uguduwa]

Qing Pao is quite modern to me.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Great. Must be Pakistani influence. China is going desi. As I keep saying modern Chinese are just clones of the West. What you see here [Hanfu] is the real desi culture of China. Will all of China go back to their own culture and give up being Western clones?

@Beast @beijingwalker

Hanfu is really only small movement online the CCP has crackdown on them as they threaten the "56" ethnic group nationalism for Han ultra-nationalism

Qing Pao is quite modern to me.

It is it only dates back to the 1920s and has Manchu influence

A Brief History Of The Cheongsam (theculturetrip.com)

 

[nature is]

Let me quote you the video


from the 2001 APEC summit in Shanghai
showed world leaders posing in Manchu
clothing debates raged in the Chinese
internet about Manchu culture being used
to represent China internationally some
even calling it a secret Manchu plot to
usurp the Han Chinese users online
started to design how they would
envision Han clothing basing the designs
on clothing from hot majority dynasties
and Chinese period dramas to create
what's now known as Han Fuu the movement
was mostly online until electrician
named Wang wet Yan or a han film public
in 2003 since then this cultural
movement has spread to almost every
major city in China the Chinese
government has even created an official
Chinese dress national holiday widely
seen as a celebration of Han Fuu linking
national Chinese identity closer to
ethnic Han culture

If Manchus ar chinese why so much hatred and bias against Manchu clothing?

regards

Qipao is a modern Chinese dress designed in 1920's Shanghai that became the de facto national dress, it's not to be confused with imperial era Manchu style, they are very different despite retaining the same name. But there has never been a fight over clothing. Ancient Han dynasty clothing is more like cosplay, all imperial era clothing are pretty much dead except for some special occasions. Most women prefer modern Shanghai qipao for formal occasion. For everyday wear, modern western clothes.

Imperial style

Shanghai qipao