Y O3 Chromosome cluster is existed in all East Asia people: Chinese, Korean and Japanese and also dominated in Vietnamese who belong to South East Asia, kid.
Could you present the evidences to proof for that, Y chromosome from partinal lineage of Bai Yue is differed form Native Cantonese ?
You didn't answered my question until now : Who are - 40 % Southern Chinese in canton who don't shared partinal lineage with Northern Han Chinese ?
Note that Zhuang people in Canton is less than 1% of population of Canton Province.
Southern Chinese is belong to Tai/Katay people.
Too bad you didn't read. It didn't just talk about northern and southern Han sharing O3a- because indeed other east asians have that subclade. Not only do Northern Han and Southern Han share mostly O3a, they
share the same subclades of O3a which carry the same mutations (at similar frequencies), not shared by other east asian peoples. . Korean and Vietnamese O3 is a different subclade and carries different mutations than Northern and Southern Han. And if you paid attention, the articles did say that southern Han had some Y chromosome contribution from natives, but its was in the minority compared to northern Han (60% northern Han is greater than 40% native)
To test this hypothesis, we compared the genetic profiles of southern Hans with their two parental population groups: northern Hans and southern natives, which include the samples of Daic, Hmong-Mien and Austro-Asiatic speaking populations currently residing in China, and in some cases its neighbouring countries. Genetic variation in both the non-recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)13–16 were surveyed in 28 Han populations from most of the provinces in China (see Fig. 1 and Supplementary Table 1 for details).
On the paternal side, southern Hans and northern Hans share similar frequencies of Y-chromosome haplogroups (Supplementary Table 2), which are characterized by two haplogroups carrying the M122-C mutations (O3-M122 and O3e-M134) that are prevalent in almost all Han populations studied (mean and range: 53.8%, 37–71%; 54.2%, 35–74%, for northern and southern Hans, respect- ively). Haplogroups carrying M119-C (O1* and O1b) and/or M95-T (O2a* and O2a1) (following the nomenclature of the Y Chromosome Consortium) which are prevalent in southern natives, are more frequent in southern Hans (19%, 3–42%) than in northern Hans (5%, 1–10%). In addition, haplogroups O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7, which are prevalent in southern natives17, were only observed in some southern Hans (4% on average), but not in northern Hans. Therefore, the contri- bution of southern natives in southern Hans is limited, if we assume that the frequency distribution of Y lineages in southern natives represents that before the expansion of Han culture that started 2,000yr ago5. The results of analysis of molecular variance (AMOVA) further indicate that northern Hans and southern Hans are not significantly different in their Y haplogroups (FST 1⁄4 0.006, P . 0.05), demonstrating that southern Hans bear a high resemblance to northern Hans in their male lineages.
Not only were the Y chromosomes the same, the same
spatial structure was observed.
European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages
Analyses of archeological, anatomical, linguistic, and genetic data suggested consistently the presence of a significant boundary between the populations of north and south in China. However, the exact location and the strength of this boundary have remained controversial. In this study, we systematically explored the spatial genetic structure and the boundary of north–south division of human populations using mtDNA data in 91 populations and Y-chromosome data in 143 populations. Our results highlight a distinct difference between spatial genetic structures of maternal and paternal lineages. A substantial genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is the characteristic of maternal structure, with a significant uninterrupted genetic boundary extending approximately along the Huai River and Qin Mountains north to Yangtze River. On the paternal side, however, no obvious genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is revealed.
This article said that Southern Han were (autosomally) genetically more similar to southern natives by studying
autosomal DNA, but Y chromosome was mostly the same.
How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books
A study of autosomal STRs also demonstrated the north-south division of Han( Chu et al. 1998). How did the distinction between northern and southern Han evolve? A data comparison of Y chromosome and mtDNA polymorphisms solves the ...
A data comparison of Y chromosome and mtDNA polymorphisms solves the puzzle directly. According to Y chromosome data, northern Chinese Han and southern Chinese Han have very similar paternal lineages. The Y-SNP 03-M122 is prevalent in both northern (54%) and southern Chinese Han (54%), while the prevalent lineages in southern Chinese natives, 01-M119 and 02-M95, are more frequent in southern (19%) than in northern Chinese Han (5%). Some common lineages shared between southern Chinese Han and southern Chinese natives, such as Olb-MllO, 02al-M88 and 03d-M7, are not seen in northern Chinese Han. In contrast, northern and southern Chinese Han are significantly different in their mtDNA lineages.
The reason is, because after a first wave of Northern Han men moved south and married Baiyue women, their male descendants continued to marry more Baiyue women, and the Baiyue autosomal DNA kep accumulating while only the northern Han Y chromosome was passed from father to son down the paternal line. But since all East Asian cultures are patrilineal and trace ancestry and customs by the father, they became Han. In Han and Vietnamese genealogies, only the male line is recorded in the family tree, the surname is passed through the male line, and so is ethnicity.
If you go to Africa, and you and you male descendants keep on marrying African women, you descendants will look black, and have mostly African autosomal DNA, but still have Vietnamese male Y chromosome.
you are brainwashed boy by propaganda made in China PRC, so you can't understand.
read again the article I posted for you above. You mixed the ethnicity concept and Nationality concept. It is nothing wrong if you could claim that you are Min Yue in ethnic and also you are Chinese citizen.
A Cantonese scholar who lived during the Ming Qing dynasties already wrote an essay rebuking this nonsense. He said Cantonese were descended from northern Han and that the natives minorities were descendants of Baiyue.
Public Spheres and Collective Identities - Google Books
The Cantonese scholar Qu Dajun addressed this problem in an essay entitled "The Real Yue People" (Zhen Yueren). It appeared a few years after his death in 1696.
Public Spheres and Collective Identities - Google Books
However, his essay about the Yue diaspora was chiefly concerned with validating the center-created Chineseness of the Cantonese realm (Guangdong). It proposed that the "real Yue," if they survived in seventeenth-century south China, were merely a shrunken remnant of "tattooed" non-Chinese minorities. It praised China's archetypal centralizer, the brutal northern militarist who had called himself the First Emperor, for transforming ancient Guangdong's barbarism by forcibly shipping marginal " Chinese people" (Zhongguo zhi ren) south as settlers.
Genetics has proven Zhuang to be Baiyue descendants
http://www.comonca.org.cn/LH/Doc/A30.PDF
Y-chromosome genotyping and genetic structu... [Yi Chuan Xue Bao. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Yi Chuan Xue Bao. 2006 Dec;33(12):1060-72.
Y-chromosome genotyping and genetic structure of Zhuang populations.
Chen J, Li H, Qin ZD, Liu WH, Lin WX, Yin RX, Jin L, Pan SL.
Source
Department of Pathophysiology, Guangxi Medical University, Nanning 530021, China.
Abstract
Zhuang, the largest ethnic minority population in China, is one of the descendant groups of the ancient Bai-Yue. Linguistically, Zhuang languages are grouped into northern and southern dialects. To characterize its genetic structure, 13 East Asian-specific Y-chromosome biallelic markers and 7 Y-chromosome short tandem repeat (STR) markers were used to infer the haplogroups of Zhuang populations. Our results showed that O*, O2a, and O1 are the predominant haplogroups in Zhuang. Frequency distribution and principal component analysis showed that Zhuang was closely related to groups of Bai-Yue origin and therefore was likely to be the descendant of Bai-Yue. The results of principal component analysis and hierarchical clustering analysis contradicted the linguistically derived north-south division. Interestingly, a west-east clinal trend of haplotype frequency changes was observed, which was supported by AMOVA analysis that showed that between-population variance of east-west division was larger than that of north-south division. O* network suggested that the Hongshuihe branch was the center of Zhuang. Our study suggests that there are three major components in Zhuang. The O* and O2a constituted the original component; later, O1 was brought into Zhuang, especially eastern Zhuang; and finally, northern Han population brought O3 into the Zhuang populations.
Yue Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The area of China south of the Nanling Mountains, known as the Lingnan (roughly modern Guangxi and Guangdong), was originally home to peoples known to the Chinese as the Hundred Yue. Large-scale Chinese migration to the area began after the Qin conquest of the region in 214 BC.[7] Successive waves followed at times of upheaval in North China, such as the falls of the Han, Tang and Song dynasties.[7] The most popular route was via the Xiang River, which the Qin had connected to the Li River by the Lingqu Canal, and thence into the valley of the Xi Jiang (West River).[8] A secondary route followed the Gan River and then the Bei Jiang (North River) into eastern Guangdong.[9] Yue speakers were later joined by Hakka speakers following the North River route, and Min speakers arriving by sea.[10]
After the fall of Qin, the Lingnan area was part of the independent state of Nanyue for about a century, before being incorporated in the Han empire.[9] Following the collapse of the Tang dynasty, much of the Yue area became part of the Southern Han, one of the longest-lived states of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms, between 917 and 971.[9]
The waves of Chinese migration also assimilated huge numbers of aborigines, with the result that today's Yue-speaking population is descended from both groups.[11] The colloquial layers of Yue dialects have a number of elements influenced by the Tai languages formerly spoken widely in the area and still spoken by people such as the Zhuang.[12]
