Featured Would having Rafale on Feb 27, 2019 made any difference?

[The_Sidewinder]

100 out of 100 marks for you. happy? 5 Rafale can carry how many Meteor? 30 at max? what will 5 Rafale do after all 30 are fired? eat lolly pops? or Rafale can make more missiles in mid air? Meteor range is 100 km where as AIM120C the pic of which your Air chief was holding in February 2019 has a range of 105 km & D variant has a range of 160 km.

30 Meteors for PAF Fighters which will fly to resist these 5 Rafales. Hammer will destroy other fighters on ground. Rest will be put back in safety of hanger by third rate Air Force called PAF, whose only achievement in last 50 years is creating propaganda hero's like M M Alam & destroying one 1960s era Mig21

 

[pothead]

Instead of 1 F16,
we would have shot down 3-4 of them.

But

We really were not interested in chasing them for a dog fight,
Just that one of our pilot got a bit frisky and the rest is history.

 

[BHarwana]

30 Meteors for PAF Fighters which will fly to resist these 5 Rafales. Hammer will destroy other fighters on ground. Rest will be put back in safety of hanger by third rate Air Force called PAF, whose only achievement in last 50 years is creating propaganda hero's like M M Alam & destroying one 1960s era Mig21

& what do you plan to do about AIM 120 or SD 10 which PAF will shoot at Rafale? cause PAF has more range on both missiles & will fire them before Rafales can get in range to fire Meteor missiles.

 

[Crixus]

For Russia quantity is quality , t-34 defeated the german tigers due to sheer numbers , In Syria no
West is fighting Russia through proxies no one wanted to fight each other , again Russian quslity is in air defenses , and Russia India a water down su 30 thats the reason India used non Russian sensors do you know even Malaysian sukhois are using Indian mission computers ......the biggest strategic blunder was when French offetrd to shift the mirages assembly lines to India and Indian govt chickend out

So why is west still avoiding to fight Russia in Syria? If Russian equipment is so bad? Su30 is a beautiful jet in Russian configuration you people ruined it with out thinking it through. world is not an off the shelf place. Egypt just vought Su35 why if they were not good why not go for more Rafale if they were better? Please stop blaming your mistakes on others. Su30 with Russia Radars & Jammers is a hell of a jet. You started your own science & experiments with the jet. you made a wish list & started putting things in it with out thinking it through.
China's entire naval aviation fleet is made up of SU variants developed by China? why is USA not starting the war in SCS? Air warfare is in today's world a doctrine & you have to either follow one doctrine or the other you can't mix the 2. My friend please understand the basics people have invested millions in defence tech & they do it for a reason. Your Su30MKI is made with a wall mart buy list.

 

[faithfulguy]

Instead of 1 F16,
we would have shot down 3-4 of them.

But

We really were not interested in chasing them for a dog fight,
Just that one of our pilot got a bit frisky and the rest is history.

No one believe India shot down an F-16. US reps counted the planes and none were missing. A SU-30MKI was shot down by a Pakistani missile is the most plausible scenario.when will India admit to this loss?

 

[The_Sidewinder]

& what do you plan to do about AIM 120 or SD 10 which PAF will shoot at Rafale? cause PAF has more range on both missiles & will fire them before Rafales can get in range to fire Meteor missiles.

You couldn't even shoot down Mig21 & Sukhoi's with those, and you expect your third rate airforce to shoot down Rafales. You are dillusional man

 

[The_Sidewinder]

No one believe India shot down an F-16. US reps counted the planes and none were missing. A SU-30MKI was shot down by a Pakistani missile is the most plausible scenario.when will India admit to this loss?

Even US admitted they didint perform any count after the propaganda drive by ISPR. Only fool Pakistani Awam believes their third rate Air Force.

 

[pothead]

You couldn't even shoot down Mig21 & Sukhoi's with those, and you expect your third rate airforce to shoot down Rafales. You are dillusional man

Third rate?

You are giving too much credit. When we were taking the package to Balakot, they just would not begin to defend themselves.

 

[paritosh]

Depends on tactics etc MKI was a game changer in the region it didn’t do well in Indian hands. During war games USAF and others were disappointed in how they were used. It’s all about the man behind the machine and the first one to get the missile of the rails has an advantage in BVR warfare now.

Agree with the essence of your post and not entirely with its factual accuracy. Man is definitely the biggest factor and so is information/data quality. You can't manage what you can't measure and in a high-stakes, fast-paced environment of an air-battle, you need to have very de-cluttered and effective intel as well as a competitive data/network advantage over the enemy.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on the PAF's increasing shift towards easter (Chinese/Russian) weapon platforms? IAF has suffered in the area of information architecture when using russian equipment, and there is a clear and a definite advantage that Western avionics have. It would not be an easy change to tide over in my opinion.

 

[paritosh]

you are right , i am ashamed of indian anchors , retards don't know their job .

I suspect a lot of it is to forever and ever take the public eye away from that joke of a controversy around the "Rafale scam". They are hijacking the recall value that the word "Rafale" has for the Indian public to insulate against any future misinformation campaign involving the Rafale "Ghotala"

 

[PakFactor]

Even US admitted they didint perform any count after the propaganda drive by ISPR. Only fool Pakistani Awam believes their third rate Air Force.

Lol, you loony toon. Pentagon has verified our F-16s are accounted for as its part of the end user agreement they do a periodic count, reliable sources have confirmed it as well. If your relying on Hindustan Times and rest of your trash media through Google search then go live in your fairy tail.

As for who’s a third rate Air Force your Air Force couldn’t deliver a proper package in the dead of night, shot down your own Helicopter in broad day light roasting 6 of your boys, took our package right between your legs in broad day light. Not to mention losing a plane and having your pilot smacked around like a rag doll for the world to see.

Your third rate trained Air Force has all it needs yet can’t perform when it’s up to the task, like a scared rodent only coming out at night.

MKIs, Mirages MiG-29s and that made no difference and you think Rafale is some how going to change the equation. Lol

 

[paritosh]

So there is the "rub". Can the IAF use its new Rafales with sufficient competence? Are Indian pilots as good at flying an aircraft as are Pakistani pilots who fly a similar aircraft?

As a outside observer, it does seem to me that Pakistan gives much, much higher status to its military people and especially its fighter pilots. Therefore, probably Pakistani pilots are the among the most competent citizens of their society. Can the same be said for IAF pilots?

The fact that the PAF pilots get to mingle with their western counterparts a lot more than the Indian pilots should have a net positive impact as well. There has to be a diversity of ideas in an effective, competitive organisation, whether through its base selection pool (more elites = more exposure coming in to the org.) or through nurture while training and operating.

To put a bigmac index here, the more ipod/xboxes owning people are pulled in to the armed forces, the more effective modern warriors you'd get.

 

[paritosh]

& what do you plan to do about AIM 120 or SD 10 which PAF will shoot at Rafale? cause PAF has more range on both missiles & will fire them before Rafales can get in range to fire Meteor missiles.

Range is a very myopic way of looking at a missiles capability in my opinion. It is a much abused metric. Energy efficiency, sensors, maneuverability, EW capabilities, point of launch, etc. for a missile matter a lot

 

[newb3e]

lemo bombs that only raphaeeeell can fire are the most effective in the world! Siri duur andaish Modi g knew that Lemo is the next big thing and only rapaheel can do lemo strikes he being a visionary fakeer ordered hunders of thousand of raphaeeels!

 

[PakFactor]

Agree with the essence of your post and not entirely with its factual accuracy. Man is definitely the biggest factor and so is information/data quality. You can't manage what you can't measure and in a high-stakes, fast-paced environment of an air-battle, you need to have very de-cluttered and effective intel as well as a competitive data/network advantage over the enemy.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on the PAF's increasing shift towards easter (Chinese/Russian) weapon platforms? IAF has suffered in the area of information architecture when using russian equipment, and there is a clear and a definite advantage that Western avionics have. It would not be an easy change to tide over in my opinion.

Problem with IAF is multi fold you guys have to many platforms of different origins to deal with and integrating it into a single link is a difficult task. Mission planners have proven to be useless pre and post-launch.

PAF has the advantage over time that it follows the proven Western methodology of information gathering and sharing and learned this through its F-16s and Western equipment. It’s replicated that when integrating Chinese platforms; over the long term I see very little issue. I’m sure PAF planners and engineers are collectively working to improve various suites to match their Western counterparts.

Problem with Russia they been sanctioned over time and never progressed in EW or other suite package one would expect. China has been in a unique position as it allowed Western high tech firms to invest and absorb lots of information and then go about doing their own.

Also this learning PAF has done I’m sure it’s shared with the Chinese as well. Hence I wouldn’t totally count the PLAF out in a future conflict.