Wish I could end corruption, poverty the Chinese way: China model for progress, says Imran

[El Sidd]

I dont want power. I just talk in general..cry boy..go and love your nawaz and complain to delet my comment...

awww so handsome

people will pelt stones at your Demagoge. Will you come and save him?

C class

you havent answered.

will you go bring homecook food to Imran Khan and Buzdar in jail?

 

[thunderr]

batmannow seems like a true fanboy from a patwari or Jeye Bhutto family, having UK/ US passport , whining like a kid that Imran Khan is a bad choice for us.Digest Man Digest ! good days are coming , fk your thinking and your leaders

 

[B.K.N]

you havent answered.
will you go bring homecook food to Imran Khan and Buzdar in Mail?

No because they won't need it
And government of Punjab is going to end this caste system in jails

 

[El Sidd]

No because they won't need it
And government of Punjab is going to end this caste system in jails

i would go visit him in jail. dont worry. i will bring him Soros Breakfast

 

[B.K.N]

i would go visit him in jail. dont worry. i will bring him Soros Breakfast

That's why PDF and social media should be banned in Pakistan aap ka dimagh par asar par rha hai

 

[El Sidd]

That's why PDF and social media should be banned in Pakistan aap ka dimagh par asar par rha hai

Use the PM Portal for suggestion.

Thanks

 

[BATMAN]

Yes, just like Musharraf begging US senators to give him one more chance...

Really... wake up dude.

You guys choose zardari

Zardari was choice of Imran Khan.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

This flop PM is just going to spend the rest of his tenure day dreaming like a Shaikh Chilli.

Kaash, I had found oil and gas in offshore drilling.
Kaash, I had committed suicide like i promised instead of going to the IMF.
Kaash, I had built five million houses in five years.
Kaash, I had grabbed $200 billion from foreign banks.
Kaash, I had not devalued Pakistani currency.
Kaash, I had not increased Pakistan's external debt by Rs 10 trillion in just one year.
Kaash, i had not crashed Pakistani Stock Market by 20,000 points.
Kaash, I had not slowed Pakistan's economic growth from 5.2% to 2.5%.
Kaash, I was not obsessed with u-turns and breaking promises.
Kaash, I had not lost Kashmir.
Kaash, I was not the dumbest Prime Minister's in Pakistan's history.
Kaash, I did not lead such a clueless and hopeless Government.
Kaash, if only I could do just one thing right.

 

[Cash GK]

Really... wake up dude.


Zardari was choice of Imran Khan.

What kind of shit did you amok..

 

[BATMAN]

As they say proof is in the pudding.
PTI regime is not capable enough to run municipality.

 

[vi-va]

I dont think it's just about punishment being given to corrupt officials. It's more about the system . As far as there is a system of accountability and implementation of the rule of law, then people will be less able to indulge in large scale corruption. Let's look at another Asian country for example, Japan(I think the least corrupt country in Asia along with Singapore according to transparency international if I'm not wrong.) . There is a culture of self discipline, strong independent institutions, rule of law, accountability and hard work.
This leads to less corruption. So I don't think it has much to do with punishment alone or whatever. Does this means they should adopt Japanese system to the letter ? NO. Just learn from others and adopt it to your own local needs.

We Chinese knew our system was completely wrong since 100+ years ago. Then we had Xinhai Revolution in 1911. From then, it took us 38 years to get a working government, at least 30-40 millions died in the struggle.

After that, Korean War and Vietnam War, culture revolution, and economy reform, then political reform. It took us 70 years to get the system currently working since 1949.

The fundamental work was done by Chairman Mao, not Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping is a reformer, Mao build the machine from scratch, Deng and his successors fine-tuned the machine.

It's just my opinion and a lot Chinese share the same opinion. But Mao was demonized by west media for decades.

The west only want other countries see one sided story which is Deng's reform. They selectively ignored Mao for a good reason.

Yes, but is it possible to copy completely the system of another country to the letter? I don't think it's realistic given every country is different be it traditionally, culturally,religiously, etc. So what one country has going for it might not always work on the other.
However there are things that are universal as well and have been proven to limit corruption. I.e strong independent legal institutions(those that are not under the boot of a president/leader/politician), rule of law, transparency and a system that has accountability at its fore.
For me the most important is 'Strong independent institutions'. Since this is very very important, since weak institutions are less able to control corruption and in fact even encourage it(patronage , nepotism, and those politicians that control it. ) It leads to a terrible circle.

I will give you an example of the importance of strong independent institutions which makes sure the system functions properly (and even independent of leaders/presidents). S good example is Belgium, Belgium once had a political impasse which led to the country going almost 2 years without a leader/president. However the country still carried on functioning fluidly like nothing happened. This wouldn't have been the case with countries with weak institutions or institutions that are subordinate to one person or a group. Since the absence of that person or group will create turmoil and uncertainty for the country . This is how a country should be, strong institutions and solid system which can function independent of even a leader.

Sorry, in my opinion, your theory may only work in well established countries. Your theory is nothing new and so widely spread across the globe. IMF has pushed your theory for half a century, it didn't work.

You have a point, every countries are different. It's hard to copy. I don't think you are brainwashed or biased, but few can resist environmental influence, including you I think.

Grown up in west will lack the common sense. Younger generation Chinese can hardly imagine what China went through since Xinhai Revolution.

Those theory failed in many countries, almost all African countries failed, south America countries failed, even south European countries failed.

You theory is very beautiful, it just didn't work.

Nothing is universal, we human being must be humble. History is the best teacher.

 

[mike2000 is back]

We Chinese knew our system was completely wrong since 100+ years ago. Then we had Xinhai Revolution in 1911. From then, it took us 38 years to get a working government, at least 30-40 millions died in the struggle.

After that, Korean War and Vietnam War, culture revolution, and economy reform, then political reform. It took us 70 years to get the system currently working since 1949.

The fundamental work was done by Chairman Mao, not Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping is a reformer, Mao build the machine from scratch, Deng and his successors fine-tuned the machine.

It's just my opinion and a lot Chinese share the same opinion. But Mao was demonized by west media for decades.

The west only want other countries see one sided story which is Deng's reform. They selectively ignored Mao for a good reason.

Huh........how has a thread about dealing with corruption model turned into the west and Mao?
Ok since you want to bring that up, let me ask you a question: Let's imagine MAO still didn't die and was still alive and ruling China, where do you think China will be today?

Sorry, in my opinion, your theory may only work in well established countries. Your theory is nothing new and so widely spread across the globe. IMF has pushed your theory for half a century, it didn't work.

You have a point, every countries are different. It's hard to copy. I don't think you are brainwashed or biased, but few can resist environmental influence, including you I think.

Grown up in west will lack the common sense. Younger generation Chinese can hardly imagine what China went through since Xinhai Revolution.

Those theory failed in many countries, almost all African countries failed, south America countries failed, even south European countries failed.

You theory is very beautiful, it just didn't work.

Nothing is universal, we human being must be humble. History is the best teacher.

Just because some countries failed doesn't means that a theory doesn't work. Most times its mostly due to the people at the helm as well, since there are countries who have adopted same model and it works well for them. If you get the wrong people at the wrong job of course you cant expect to succeed.
Who said grown up in the West will lack common sense? What do you even mean by that? lol You mean its only by growing up in China that one can have common sense? I don't get your point.

 

[El Sidd]

National Security is directly linked with eradicating corruption.

Mr. Khan has failed.

End of Discussion

 

[vi-va]

Huh........how has a thread about dealing with corruption model turned into the west and Mao?
Ok since you want to bring that up, let me ask you a question: Let's imagine MAO still didn't die and was still alive and ruling China, where do you think China will be today?


Just because some countries failed doesn't means that a theory doesn't work. Most times its mostly due to the people at the helm as well, since there are countries who have adopted same model and it works well for them. If you get the wrong people at the wrong job of course you cant expect to succeed.
Who said grown up in the West will lack common sense? What do you even mean by that? lol You mean its only by growing up in China that one can have common sense? I don't get your point.

Mao is a long story. I will skip this time.

Common sense means you don't really understand how to get a country, you jump into how run a well established country.

Country is not natural thing, it must be built base on consensus. Most undeveloped countries have not enough consensus at all. When you distribute the power by implementation of your secret ingredients: rule of law, transparency international, and independent institutions. You already failed in the first place. The ruler must grab as much power as possible to build up the country consensus, which means kill your political enemies or at least make them irrelevant politically.

Any successful ruler knew this, that's why they rule. Such as Bismarck, Stalin, Mao.

Why I say grown up in west lack of common sense, because you guys are too realistic. The west has deliberately ignore how they build their country from scratch and de-emphasize how many enemies they killed to get the country. The history is very cruel in most cases.

India leader, Gandhi has no clue how to build a country, nor Nehru. They are installed by British, that's why Gandhi was not assassinated by British in the first place. That's the fundamental reason why China and India are so different.

I answered your first question partially. Mao finished his task in his era, Deng did his respectively. Xi is doing his job. Different era, different task. It's a continued process for China renaissance.

India's future is dark because of the DNA of the country.

 

[Beast]

We Chinese knew our system was completely wrong since 100+ years ago. Then we had Xinhai Revolution in 1911. From then, it took us 38 years to get a working government, at least 30-40 millions died in the struggle.

After that, Korean War and Vietnam War, culture revolution, and economy reform, then political reform. It took us 70 years to get the system currently working since 1949.

The fundamental work was done by Chairman Mao, not Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping is a reformer, Mao build the machine from scratch, Deng and his successors fine-tuned the machine.

It's just my opinion and a lot Chinese share the same opinion. But Mao was demonized by west media for decades.

The west only want other countries see one sided story which is Deng's reform. They selectively ignored Mao for a good reason.



Sorry, in my opinion, your theory may only work in well established countries. Your theory is nothing new and so widely spread across the globe. IMF has pushed your theory for half a century, it didn't work.

You have a point, every countries are different. It's hard to copy. I don't think you are brainwashed or biased, but few can resist environmental influence, including you I think.

Grown up in west will lack the common sense. Younger generation Chinese can hardly imagine what China went through since Xinhai Revolution.

Those theory failed in many countries, almost all African countries failed, south America countries failed, even south European countries failed.

You theory is very beautiful, it just didn't work.

Nothing is universal, we human being must be humble. History is the best teacher.

There is no doubt Deng is much better than Mao. His strongest point is being pragmatic but without losing his belief. Deng is so good that he can even forgive his own enemy like Mao who cripple his son to move on with reforms and refuse to denounce Mao when many Chinese wanted Mao to be included into Gang of four as the fifth. Deng didn't allow China collapse in tianamen square like Soviet revolution.

Iman Khan can hired a foreign advisor to help social and economic reform. Declaring asset like what all Chinese official do will be a good start. Media shall be tightly control and help state and not against state. It will help promote economic reform faster. Military must pledge full loyalty to central government.