why Peaceful muslims are irrelevant and world only view the radicals as representing Islam

[Hulk]

Muslims are considered radical, because we preach insaaf.

Insaf like.
My religion is superior than others.
You cannot practice your own religion.
Blasphemy laws favoring my religion.

 

[timetravel]

In 1951, Hindus constituted 22% of the Pakistani population (this includes East Pakistan, modern day Bangladesh) the West Pakistan, modern Pakistan, had 2% Hindu population today, the share of Hindus is down to 1.6% in Pakistan and 9.2% in Bangladesh. In 1951, Bangladesh alone had a 22% Hindu population.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I wouldn't know this, but to what degree would you cite Gaza as a reason for Islamic radicalization as a whole?

Has Gaza played a major part in radicalization of a section of Pakistani society for e.g.?

I said completely different thing and you interpreted it differently. Bravo!

the first 2 sentence are probably farsi

when khelafa (ruling) was taken away from quran , freedom was gone . or sth like that

nothing bad though


not iranian for sure , although he didnt say anything bad in the quoted post

He is Pakistani and the poetry he quoted did not relate to this particular subject.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Muslims are considered radical, because we preach insaaf.

no sir muslims are considered radicals as they dont want to change there attitudes with whome they(host nations) are dealing with even if they are there guests

muslims beleave onli in two things

1. either you are a muslim or a non beleaver (and we all know what islam says about the destiny of non beleavers and duty of muslims in that regard)

2. muslims world over belave onli in rights of muslims not duties forget about human rights , liberty or justice for non muslims

and till muslims collictevelli change this attitude things will not change

thank you

 

[Jaanbaz]

1. either you are a muslim or a non beleaver (and we all know what islam says about the destiny of non beleavers and duty of muslims in that regard)

Destiny is in the hand of God, he will decide who goes to hell or heaven. As for extremists claiming that any Non Muslims to be killed for not believing in Islam is not only wrong but going against the basic teachings of Quran and Prophet Mohammad. A large section of Muslims are being led by extremists clerics who are misguiding Muslims. They gain from more extremism in the society.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Really? Radical Hindus blew up a train full of Pakistanis in 2007, radical Christians are at war with the Burmese state till this day meanwhile radical Buddhists have recently decided to make a name for themselves by killing Muslims in both SL and Burma. Not to mention the slaughter of Hindus in SL by the same radical Buddhists. So do not act like they are any different, they just don't get the media spotlight radical Muslims do.

May be that's because they

1. Don't deserve the spotlight.
2. Radical Hindus/Buddhists don't build cells all over the world, declare caliphates, call for death of non Hindus/non Buddhists the world over.
3. They don't call for the destruction of Palestine or any other state.

 

[illusion8]

I said completely different thing and you interpreted it differently. Bravo!



He is Pakistani and the poetry he quoted did not relate to this particular subject.

Islamization is a serious topic - a pretty serious one, the reason why I asked you is that you cited Palestinian issue as a measure to map your extremism and I wanted to know as to how that issue leads to and to what degree of Islamization. If it has a major bearing on the topic of the thread then what you asked is relevant and worthy of discussion and if it is not then no point discussing Palestine.

The need to project it as a victim grudge might be relevant to Muslims, but Islamization may possibly be because of various other causes as well - I cited two for you. 1. the pakistani article giving three causes for extremism and, 2. Climate change, famine and desertification as a cause of extremism in Africa.

I don't know how both are relevant to Gaza because I did not find any connectivity between what's happening in Pakistan and Africa for e.g. with Gaza. May be you might enlighten me with any connectivity there.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Destiny is in the hand of God, he will decide who goes to hell or heaven. As for extremists claiming that any Non Muslims to be killed for not believing in Islam is not only wrong but going against the basic teachings of Quran and Prophet Mohammad. A large section of Muslims are being led by extremists clerics who are misguiding Muslims. They gain from more extremism in the society.

thats the point but the question is why is muslim society at large following blindli these criminals when they know they are taking the whole society to doom .... or is it that whole muslim society is following these criminals as they think its the onli right way and fulfillthere promise to there god

 

[syedali73]

no sir muslims are considered radicals as they dont want to change there attitudes with whome they(host nations) are dealing with even if they are there guests

muslims beleave onli in two things

1. either you are a muslim or a non beleaver (and we all know what islam says about the destiny of non beleavers and duty of muslims in that regard)

2. muslims world over belave onli in rights of muslims not duties forget about human rights , liberty or justice for non muslims

and till muslims collictevelli change this attitude things will not change

thank you

No, you are wrong.

It is because in the present political scenario it suits the world to portray all the Muslims as extremists. Not long ago, this title went to the communists. The day Russia regained its former glory, you'll quickly see a change in the world's mood, because then, they would look for Muslims to form an alliance against the bad commis.

 

[ghoul]

Most educated muslims are peaceful people. It's some people who have mixed their tribalistic and animistic beliefs with Islam who are the problem. Whether it's North Waziristan or Mosul Iraq, tribalism plays a heavy part behind these terrorist movements.

Your average muslim does not agree with these groups, but can't raise his or her voice against them. An average muslim is more interested in getting his family live a good life, yet these groups come from dysfunctional, evolutionarily backward societies and don't shy away from violence and destruction. Quran actually warned against such people in its very first verses. Quran warned that some people would spread fitnah(bloodshed, violence) in the world,but would claim it as a service to Islam itself.

PS: To add to that, hostile nations and people covertly support such movements with weapons and funds.

 

[GURU DUTT]

No, you are wrong.

It is because in the present political scenario it suits the world to portray all the Muslims as extremists. Not long ago, this title went to the communists. The day Russia regained its former glory, you'll quickly see a change in the world's mood, because then, they would look for Muslims to form an alliance against the bad commis.

well im not a muslim so im least bothered what happens to muslims and what they think but it changes when they try to force there will on non muslims but that dosent concerns muslims and thats there biggest weakness which they are made to belave is there biggest strenth but look around more muslims are killed by muslims and that too in name of islam ever wondered why ...think brother think

 

[Jaanbaz]

thats the point but the question is why is muslim society at large following blindli these criminals when they know they are taking the whole society to doom .... or is it that whole muslim society is following these criminals as they think its the onli right way and fulfillthere promise to there god[/quote]

Seriously wrong interpretation of Islam and lack of true leadership. The vacuum has been filled with extremists clerics. Some Muslims don't want to change and the ones that want to bring out the best out of Islam are quickly labelled infidels, agents of British, Jews etc. Many are simply killed for saying Islam is a peaceful religion not a blood thirsty one.

 

[ashok321]

What a load of bs. If you want to make quick money all you have to do is draw some cartoon insulting Prophet Mohammad depicting him as a terrorist or write a book with abusive language towards him. In fact being anti Islam can quickly make you filthy rich as it is in the case of Salam Rushdie lanti, Pam Geller and daniel Pipes.

Just think, why Muslims are NOT becoming millionaires by writing a book against Christ/Bhagwan/Bhudda..

Muslims are considered radical, because we preach insaaf.

Insaaf means?
You can have FOUR, even in a civilized and democratic country like the USA/Japan or Canada...

 

[Jaanbaz]

Islamization is a serious topic - a pretty serious one, the reason why I asked you is that you cited Palestinian issue as a measure to map your extremism and I wanted to know as to how that issue leads to and to what degree of Islamization. If it has a major bearing on the topic of the thread then what you asked is relevant and worthy of discussion and if it is not then no point discussing Palestine.

The need to project it as a victim grudge might be relevant to Muslims, but Islamization may possibly be because of various other causes as well - I cited two for you. 1. the pakistani article giving three causes for extremism and, 2. Climate change, famine and desertification as a cause of extremism in Africa.

I don't know how both are relevant to Gaza because I did not find any connectivity between what's happening in Pakistan and Africa for e.g. with Gaza. May be you might enlighten me with any connectivity there.

All I said was that if I supported Gaza will that make me an extremists in the eyes of western media?

Other then that the issue of Palestine, Kashmir and before Bosnia were used to stoke emotional response from middle to lower middle class Pakistani Muslims.

I don't know how climate change makes someone want to kill an infidel. Sounds non sense to me.

 

[syedali73]

well im not a muslim so im least bothered what happens to muslims and what they think but it changes when they try to force there will on non muslims but that dosent concerns muslims and thats there biggest weakness which they are made to belave is there biggest strenth but look around more muslims are killed by muslims and that too in name of islam ever wondered why ...think brother think

More Christians have been killed by the fellow Christians in the 1st and 2nd world wars, and later by the American in South Americas. The entire pre-Muslim history of India is composed of killing of Hindus by rival Hindus. More Chinese have been killed by the Chinese during the revolution and same is true for Bolshevik revolution where tens of thousands of Russians were massacred by the fellow Russians. What is happening in the Muslim world is nothing new; it has been happened before and still happening in many parts of the world, it is not highlighted by the media is a different story altogether.