why Peaceful muslims are irrelevant and world only view the radicals as representing Islam

[Jaanbaz]

Just think, why Muslims are NOT becoming millionaires by writing a book against Christ/Bhagwan/Bhudda..

Sorry in Islam we are told to respect other peoples deities and religious figures. I would have add though that Muslims should respond to propaganda with positive PR and writing books in response. Going ape on streets and shouting death to the west is exactly the type of response the media and writers want for their ratings.

 

[GURU DUTT]

More Christians have been killed by the fellow Christians in the 1st and 2nd world wars, and later by the American in South Americas. The entire pre-Muslim history of India is composed of killing of Hindus by rival Hindus. More Chinese have been killed by the Chinese during the revolution and same is true for Bolshevik revolution where tens of thousands of Russians were massacred by the fellow Russians. What is happening in the Muslim world is nothing new; it has been happened before and still happening in many parts of the world, it is not highlighted by the media is a different story altogether.

sir agar doosre ka mu laal ho to thappar maar ke aap apan mu laal nahi ker lete

christains jaise bhi hon per aaj wo duniya ki hukumat challa rahe hain jabki christains je jyada akal ayr wasail musalmano ke paas hain fir bhi kaham muslamn aur kahan christians muslamano ko christians se kya yahoodiyon se hi muqabala ker ke dekh lo sirf 90 lakh yahoodion ne 150carore muslamano ko age laga rakha hai

christains jaise bhi hon unke mulko me kyon jate hain muslaman aur kya sulookh sehte hain chrsitians ka sulukh chor ye dekho khud ameer muslaman mulk kaisa sulookh kerte hain greeb musalamano se


bhai jaan jab tak dunia ke nizam ko mazhab ki ainak laga ke dekhoge tab tak muslamano ki halat bad se badttarr hoti rahegi

agar khud ko barabri ka sulookh karana chahte ho to pehle khud ko behter karo fir duniya ki thekedaari uthana

baat samajh me aayee ki nahi

 

[illusion8]

I don't know how climate change makes someone want to kill an infidel. Sounds non sense to me.

Did you read the article? here it is again. Famine and Climate Change Are Making Africa a Terrorist Tinderbox | VICE United Kingdom

And, here's the article that cites three reasons for extremism in Pakistan: Three sources of extremism in Pakistan | Pakistan Today

I don't see Gaza or Kashmir or Bosnia or Burma there.

Though you are right to an extent, all these are used to stoke extremism. But then, there are much deeper fissures in Muslim society then just these. you being a Ahmadi cannot say that Ahmadi's are being targeted because of Kashmir, IS or AQAP targetting Shia's cannot be because of Gaza, Chechens, Uzbeks, Bosnians and Tajiks going to fight Islamic war in ME cannot be because of Bosnia alone.

All I said was that if I supported Gaza will that make me an extremists in the eyes of western media?

Other then that the issue of Palestine, Kashmir and before Bosnia were used to stoke emotional response from middle to lower middle class Pakistani Muslims.

I doubt the western media would label you as a n extremist just because you support Gaza, that label will come when you take some extreme measure in retaliation.

 

[GURU DUTT]

so whose responsible for that muslims or .............

 

[syedali73]

sir agar doosre ka mu laal ho to thappar maar ke aap apan mu laal nahi ker lete

christains jaise bhi hon per aaj wo duniya ki hukumat challa rahe hain jabki christains je jyada akal ayr wasail musalmano ke paas hain fir bhi kaham muslamn aur kahan christians muslamano ko christians se kya yahoodiyon se hi muqabala ker ke dekh lo sirf 90 lakh yahoodion ne 150carore muslamano ko age laga rakha hai

christains jaise bhi hon unke mulko me kyon jate hain muslaman aur kya sulookh sehte hain chrsitians ka sulukh chor ye dekho khud ameer muslaman mulk kaisa sulookh kerte hain greeb musalamano se


bhai jaan jab tak dunia ke nizam ko mazhab ki ainak laga ke dekhoge tab tak muslamano ki halat bad se badttarr hoti rahegi

agar khud ko barabri ka sulookh karana chahte ho to pehle khud ko behter karo fir duniya ki thekedaari uthana

baat samajh me aayee ki nahi

My friend, I am not an illiterate you are talking to. I am a MD/PhD, and hold a respectable position in a respectable place. Single outing Muslims for things which non-Muslims have also been doing and at far GREATER scales is nothing but intellectual dishonesty. Nobody is denying problems, but portraying if only Muslims have all those problems is simply unacceptable. Moreover, do not put all the blame on Muslims. There were no sectarian violence in Iraq during Saddam's time and same is true for Libya of Qaddafi, and Syria of Assad. You have seen all those problems after the respective governments were toppled by the US/Europe. This can and will happen to everywhere where there is no such thing as a government. Why you don't see these problems in KSA, Jordan, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia etc. Pakistan is a special case where there is heavy involvement and intervention of foreign powers. However, things are slowly coming under control after much awaited military operation.

I have been working in States for 5 years, and during all this time, I was never ever mistreated. My sister and brother-in-law are also Doctors in Jersey, and hold very respectable position in the American society. You cant compare a taxi driver with a doctor, and the treatment a taxi driver gets is not restricted to Muslims but to any taxi driver for that matter. During my time, nobody, not even on the airport I was asked about my religion for by the way, it is against the US constitution. Please stop spreading disinformation about States or other European countries regarding their treatment of Muslims. Muslims are playing important role in the those societies and enjoy full respect accordingly.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

There were no sectarian violence in Iraq during Saddam's time

Please write that again sire

 

[syedali73]

Please write that again sire

There was no sectarian violence in Iraq of Saddam.

 

[illusion8]

There were no sectarian violence in Iraq during Saddam's time and same is true for Libya of Qaddafi, and Syria of Assad.

Brutal dictators that put down any and all dissidents by extreme prejudice - you should read about the various methods employed by them to torture them. including their children and women.

Libya's case is more about Islamist's taking up violence.

 

[GURU DUTT]

My friend, I am not an illiterate you are talking to. I am a MD/PhD, and hold a respectable position in a respectable place. Single outing Muslims for things which non-Muslims have also been doing and at far GREATER scales is nothing but intellectual dishonesty. Nobody is denying problems, but portraying if only Muslims have all those problems is simply unacceptable. Moreover, do not put all the blame on Muslims. There were no sectarian violence in Iraq during Saddam's time and same is true for Libya of Qaddafi, and Syria of Assad. You have seen all those problems after the respective governments were toppled by the US/Europe. This can and will happen to everywhere where there is no such thing as a government. Why you don't see these problems in KSA, Jordan, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia etc. Pakistan is a special case where there is heavy involvement and intervention of foreign powers. However, things are slowly coming under control after much awaited military operation.

with all deu respect SIR

thing is all those names of so called "rich muslim states" you have just told that why there sectarianism is not talked about why onli pakistan is laballed

well all those states if you go and ask who they are san there islamik identity they will be thai , indonasian , arab , turk malay or parsi first and muslim later

to most of them there historical traditions , culture and language are still more important and islam is just there "personal choice" and there national identity is more important not in case of land of the pure who shamelesli gave up all there national identity , cultural values even language for there love to so called "real muslims & holy land"

thing is its more important to bewhat you always were than to import and impose a new and radikal cultural values which are in total contradiction to your national phsyki relegeon is a personal matter not the "onli matter"in life there are many other things than just releagon

why did pakistanies change there age old khuda hafiz to allahh hafiz or ramzan to ramadan or sehri to sahoor ... to please whome and how they treat you in return and then muslims (pakistanies here) ask questions like why nbody takes them serousllli and calls them extreamists and why even after celebrating 66 years of independence most pakistanies are still asking "pakistan ka matlab kya"

thing is till muslims (here pakistanies) dont try to change there attitude and behaviour toeards other so called "non beleavers" you will keep on suffering cause if you dont recognise the deases then how are you going to dignose it forget treat it

thanks no hard feelings sir

 

[syedali73]

Brutal dictators that put down any and all dissidents by extreme prejudice - you should read about the various methods employed by them to torture them. including their children and women.

Libya's case is more about Islamist's taking up violence.

They were strong rulers and that is all they were. They became dictators when whey were no longer needed. India was in best of the terms (more than Pakistan) with those brutal dictators if I remember correctly.

 

[dravidianhero]

since you are asking me for an solution, i would say start by preaching all religions are same and no religion is superior to another.

If they preach that all religions are same,the foundations of their religion would be crumbled.Islam is an Arab political ideology in the guise of religion which promotes Arab supremacy.Saying all religions and human beings are equal would spell doom for islam

 

[syedali73]

with all deu respect SIR

thing is all those names of so called "rich muslim states" you have just told that why there sectarianism is not talked about why onli pakistan is laballed

well all those states if you go and ask who they are san there islamik identity they will be thai , indonasian , arab , turk malay or parsi first and muslim later

to most of them there historical traditions , culture and language are still more important and islam is just there "personal choice" and there national identity is more important not in case of land of the pure who shamelesli gave up all there national identity , cultural values even language for there love to so called "real muslims & holy land"

thing is its more important to bewhat you always were than to import and impose a new and radikal cultural values which are in total contradiction to your national phsyki relegeon is a personal matter not the "onli matter"in life there are many other things than just releagon

why did pakistanies change there age old khuda hafiz to allahh hafiz or ramzan to ramadan or sehri to sahoor ... to please whome and how they treat you in return and then muslims (pakistanies here) ask questions like why nbody takes them serousllli and calls them extreamists and why even after celebrating 66 years of independence most pakistanies are still asking "pakistan ka matlab kya"

thing is till muslims (here pakistanies) dont try to change there attitude and behaviour toeards other so called "non beleavers" you will keep on suffering cause if you dont recognise the deases then how are you going to dignose it forget treat it

thanks no hard feelings sir

Extremism is on the rise everywhere in the world. If Indians can elect RSS/BJP/Modi than you lose moral ground to talk about this issue. You have not been to many (or any) other Islamic countries but I have been, and currently residing in Malaysia. Malaysia (and Brunei even more) is very radical when it comes to Islam. Come to see for yourself. You'll forget about Pakistani radicalism.

 

[illusion8]

They were strong rulers and that is all they were. They became dictators when whey were no longer needed. India was in best of the terms (more than Pakistan) with those brutal dictators if I remember correctly.

They were / are brutal leaders - strong is an oxymoron word for them, they were sectarian leaders who ruled with a big stick. Scores of people were killed under them.

AS for India's terms with them, even Russia and China are quite close to Assad, Pakistan is close to the Taliban. Does not change what they did.

 

[syedali73]

They were / are brutal leaders - strong is an oxymoron word for them, they were sectarian leaders who ruled with a big stick. Scores of people were killed under them.

AS for India's terms with them, even Russia and China are quite close to Assad, Pakistan is close to the Taliban. Does not change what they did.

Utter waste of time getting engaged with you. Baath party was sectarian? Please do some reading.

 

[amitkriit]

Peaceful Muslims provide support to the radicals because they are the warriors of faith and all the good deeds done by them will eventually trickle down to the "Peaceful" strata.

Those who claim that there are radicals in other communities as well must understand that very few radicals in other communities derive their motivation directly from their religious books. WW1 and WW2 were not fought to establish empire of Christ while groups like Al-Qaeda and Indian Mujaheedin fight to establish Islamic Rule.