Why not MiGs

[Alphacharlie]

Sir

Are you sure it were the Russians? I know that PAF evaluated the SU27 from Belarus in the 1990's but rejected them due to extreme costs associated with maintaining these beasts. PAF also evaluated Ukrainian MIG29's but they were also rejected due to the very same reason.

FULCRUMS ARE BAD......

No WONDER Sqn Ldr CHIBBER - TIGHTENED A F 16 ON JUNE 12, 1999

 

[Anubis]

Sooner or later PAF is any for obvious reasons going to run out of F16s....adn the US won't be selling you.....is the JF17 a good enough replacement for F-16??

 

[rockstarIN]

Performance aside, Fulcrums or Flankers for PAF is a bad choice provided the relationship with India & Russia. Heck their major problem is with Russian engine for JF-17 now, not because of performance. They are just waiting for Chinese engine to mature.

 

[Iggy]

Did US offer India F16's and FA18's? Still 29K's made it to the Navy?

Actually, Russian insisted that we should buy fighters from them when they offered Viki to us.. They were offering Su33's but we choose Mig 29's..

 

[Pfpilot]

There is more to this question than simply the presence of Migs in the IAF. The Migs trace their lineage to a diametrically opposed set of strategic and tactical considerations. The Soviet era Migs, to which the current derivatives owe their existence were meant to be easily replaceable and used in large numbers, with a general disregard for the pilot. This tied in to the general Soviet doctrine of trying to overwhelm Nato with sheer quantity. For this reason, the current Russian fighters are still playing catch in terms of man-machine interface, reliability, and fall short technologically in comparison to their contemporaries.

Beyond these considerations, induction of an aircraft isn't just a matter of placing these planes at Pakistani airbases and by default, have them dominate the skies on behalf of the PAF. A new platform requires extensive training for both pilots and maintenance staff, as well as a rethink of the tactical plans based on the strengths and limitations of the platform in question. A Russian aircraft, due to its history is a vastly different aircraft than the predominantly western and westernized Chinese aircraft PAF has historically operated.

American f-16s, Chinese jf-17s, and Russian Migs, all with a different set of weapons, maintenance procedures, and parts would be a nightmare for any air force. For a cash strapped one, it would be utter disaster. It is cheaper and more time efficient to streamline, hence the endless love affair with f-16s and the determination to build jf-17s.

 

[shuntmaster]

JF17 Thunder uses the same engine that is used in MiG-29..

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Will the russians sell em to you? sorry for my ignorance.

 

[Ping]

Actually, Russian insisted that we should buy fighters from them when they offered Viki to us.. They were offering Su33's but we choose Mig 29's..

The first time, yes you are right. But the second order of even more number(29 Sea Fulcrums) for OUR Aircraft Carrier should have been canceled if the plane was "rubbish" as suggested by some of our neighbors here, considering both F-18 and Rafale was publicized as being ski-jump capable by their respective manufacturers.

 

[帅的一匹]

Mig29? Better forget it. The most important issue now is to replace RD93 with indegenous WS13 on JF17 block 3. It will reinforce Pakistan's national security when they engages with IAF. Russia is not a reliable friend to be trusted when India get involved, especially at war.

As long as your components supply cut off from Russia, PAF will be sitting ducks. Strategic consideration is always put before tactical one.

 

[Iggy]

The first time, yes you are right. But the second order of even more number(29 Sea Fulcrums) for OUR Aircraft Carrier should have been canceled if the plane was "rubbish" as suggested by some of our neighbors here, considering both F-18 and Rafale was publicized as being ski-jump capable by their respective manufacturers.

I am not downplaying Mig 29's ability.. But dont you think it will be logistical nightmare if we would have ordered F18's or Rafale as second order?..May be that is one of the reason..If IN had a choice, they would have gone for F18's as it was an established platform than a relative new sea fulcrums..

 

[Contrarian]

Sooner or later PAF is any for obvious reasons going to run out of F16s....adn the US won't be selling you.....is the JF17 a good enough replacement for F-16??

The JF-17 is not a replacement for the F-16's.
JF-17 is a Low cost, light weight fighter meant to replace the MiG 21 copies that PAF has.

F-16 is the leading edge fighter of PAF and would be replaced in the future by a different aircraft. Most likely J-10.

 

[Ping]

I am not downplaying Mig 29's ability.. But dont you think it will be logistical nightmare if we would have ordered F18's or Rafale as second order?..May be that is one of the reason..If IN had a choice, they would have gone for F18's as it was an established platform than a relative new sea fulcrums..

It wont be a nightmare, just expensive. If the fulcrum was "rubbish" IN wont mind footing that extra bill than order almost double the amount of the previous order of MiG-29k.

 

[帅的一匹]

J10C incoming.....

 

[slapshot]

I am not downplaying Mig 29's ability.. But dont you think it will be logistical nightmare if we would have ordered F18's or Rafale as second order?..May be that is one of the reason..If IN had a choice, they would have gone for F18's as it was an established platform than a relative new sea fulcrums..

This thread is related to discussion about PAF not about India. Please stop posting unrelated stuff. MODS please remove the unrelated posts.

 

[Friei Indien]

1: We'll buy Fulcurms the day we want our front line pilots to get knocked down like toys. Fulcurms are Rubbish - only those buy it who can't buy or wont be sold the American jets.

dont talk shit man, u know russians aint gonna give u shit, and as far as your american buddies are concerned the whole world knows how their f16 & 18 faired in Indian MMRCA deal, forget the whole deal they didnt made it to even the 2nd round of the deal and French Rafale bagged it.