Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

[kadamba-warrior]

T-Word is nothing new.

you can use it to your hearts content.

Don't cry when some other pimple faced uses some other one letter word to demean all Indians.

Just remember.

Hey Think Tank, what's up with that "pimple-face" insinuation?

Do you really need a junior member to suggest you to stick to the topic instead of this nonsense?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Hey Think Tank, what's up with that "pimple-face" insinuation?

Do you really need a junior member to suggest you to stick to the topic instead of this nonsense?

Noops. That term refers to 8th grader school yard bullies. and those older ones who imitate that style.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

try to be fair.

if you don't like him to be called a King, then do not try to bow down on every word of his like some petty follower of Khomeni in 1979.

Hope you understand now.

You are wrong on so many counts!! You don't know any of us here enough to make such sweeping remarks about us to suggest that we all bow down to him for his every word.

Do you know if we have any disagreements with him, for example? I for one, have a lot of disagreements with him on several matters. You shouldn't be making such sweeping statements.

Yes, I have supported Modi on several important matters because I am personally in agreement with him on those matters, not because I consider him infallible!

 

[FaujHistorian]

You are wrong on so many counts!! You don't know any of us here enough to make such sweeping remarks about us to suggest that we all bow down to him for his every word.

Do you know if we have any disagreements with him, for example? I for one, have a lot of disagreements with him on several matters. You shouldn't be making such sweeping statements.

Yes, I have supported Modi on several important matters because I am personally in agreement with him on those matters, not because I consider him infallible!

Then you should rejoice.

in being a balanced person.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Then you should rejoice.

in being a balanced person.

It was not a question of whether or not I was a balanced person. I bluntly questioned your balance when you started making sweeping statements about Modi, Indians etc etc.

If you continue to have a bigoted view of Indians in general and Modi in particular, then that's your choice.

BTW, you haven't answered me yet how you concluded Modi to be a "mass-murderer" or a "cult-figure"!

 

[FaujHistorian]

It was not a question of whether or not I was a balanced person. I bluntly questioned your balance when you started making sweeping statements about Modi, Indians etc etc.

If you continue to have a bigoted view of Indians in general and Modi in particular, then that's your choice.

BTW, you haven't answered me yet how you concluded Modi to be a "mass-murderer" or a "cult-figure"!

see my posts history.

Even Indians will disagree with you.

It was not a question of whether or not I was a balanced person. I bluntly questioned your balance when you started making sweeping statements about Modi, Indians etc etc.

If you continue to have a bigoted view of Indians in general and Modi in particular, then that's your choice.

BTW, you haven't answered me yet how you concluded Modi to be a "mass-murderer" or a "cult-figure"!

cult figure yes.

mass murderer no. Those titles should be reserved for Pol Pot and Hitler and Stalin etc. etc. etc. .

 

[kadamba-warrior]

see my posts history.

Even Indians will disagree with you.

You continue to ignore my question about how you arrived at the conclusion about Modi being a mass-murderer!

You destroyed your own history with a few non-sensical posts in this very own thread -- first by "pimple-face" and then generalizing Indians about how they consider Modi. Like they say in financial markets, past performance is no guarantee of future returns, eh?

see my posts history.

Even Indians will disagree with you.



cult figure yes.

mass murderer no. Those titles should be reserved for Pol Pot and Hitler and Stalin etc. etc. etc. .

Why even cult figure? Isn't that assuming too much again?

 

[Bang Galore]

That interpretation only makes sense if you believe that India didn't start the provocation in the first place.

Most in India believe that. Depends on how you define provocation. If the question is whether Pakistani actions led to this chain of events, then the answer would be yes. If you ask whether India's response was out of character & much tougher than normal, that answer too would be yes.

The chain of events dates backs to July when Pakistani forces opened fire on the BSF and were responded to in unusually tough manner. Many in the GoI, at senior levels, were left wondering whether the Pakistani army was delivering a message both to India & to their own PM. The ceasefire violations were the primary reason for the FS talks to be called off because top officials of the Modi government didn't believe NS was in control & therefore worth talking to (this also coincided with the demonstrations inside Pakistan). This particular government, unlike other previous Indian governments simply does not buy the argument often made that India should somehow strengthen the hands of the "civilians" in Pakistan, Modi's top officials don't care, believing that the internal dynamics within Pakistan is not their concern.

The escalation this month followed two IED blasts (if I remember correctly, on 15th of September & 4th of October) the first one killing a porter & injuring 2 BSF personnel and the second killing a soldier of the Mahar regiment & injuring 4 of his colleagues.. The placements of the IED in those locations were believed to be either the work of the PA or entities allowed to do so by the PA. Retaliation followed & when Pakistani troops attempted escalation, was met & exceeded.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Depends on how you define provocation. .

President clinton gets caught with his pants down in front of Monika. And says "define sex".
PM Modi gets caught with his antics in front of the whole world, and you say "Define provocation".

Guilty toads have to make tremendous effort on "redefining sex and provocations".

Sadly.

 

[SrNair]

you talk about Modi same as our PoTians talk about Taliban Khan.

However we are lucky that our Taliban Khan (A la Hitler, OBL, Khomeni etc) is not on the PM seat. yours is.

Scary, to see the cult of personality among so many Indians.

Sirji we Indians and our medias are tracking each and every actions and policies of our PM ,something that was not happened during previous regimed .So far we are satisfied with his effort to develop our nation ,he is a workholic.
This is not a cult of personality even his rivals is congratulating him because of that patriotism .He gave a new presitige respect and reputation to that PM chair that was absence during UPA era.
We always prefer secularism ,but we dont want dragging of our development in the name of so called secularism. Our previous govt ruled our nation only for secularism aka minority appeasement or vote bank politics.But our new NDA govt is ruling our nation for development

try to be fair.

if you don't like him to be called a King, then do not try to bow down on every word of his like some petty follower of Khomeni in 1979.

Hope you understand now.

Khomeini has a supreme position given by Persians and their constitution.Whatever it is they dont like outsiders opinion about their leader.
But our PM is purely elected on his merit ,elected by Indians.If he perform very well we will give him another 5 years also.But he is not permanent in that position like Khomeini .Noone of our establishment encourage permanent personalities because our constitutional dont allow that.
We need less inflation ,good economic development etc.

 

[Bang Galore]

PM Modi gets caught with his antics in front of the whole world, and you say "Define provocation".

Guilty toads have to make tremendous effort on "redefining sex and provocations".

Sadly.

What's the point of this? Nobody here in India will agree with your assertion of this being all PM Modi's fault. Nor does anyone else in the world, all they will say is that the response was an aggressive one. Do you need me to now define "response" ? The rest of your post is quite simply unenlightening in its content. I pointed out a sequence of events. If you have an alternate one, put it out for discussion .Modi did not ask about defining provocation, I did and I'm no spokesperson for Modi nor am I averse to admitting a fault if I believed there was one.

 

[Mav3rick]

Yes we do...there is a solution..the only one!.."Status Quo"...So now what do you have in mind!
Any other solution offered has been rejected...so lets move on both India and Pakistan are not yet mature enough as nations to back down on their expectations....You and I know both are not going to make compromises at this point..but yes it will need to happen from both sides(Compromise)..But again, as nations both are not mature enough to do so as of now.

Status Quo or, refining the term even further, making the LoC a permanent International Border is indeed the only viable solution for Pakistan and India. But what about Kashmiris? Is this what they also want? Shouldn't we consider their wishes as well?

Absolutely wants Peace!....then the realization has set in that you need 2 to tango..No!

Do you mean TTP & BLA, is that how you achieve peace with your neighbor??

 

[pursuit of happiness]

President clinton gets caught with his pants down in front of Monika. And says "define sex".
PM Modi gets caught with his antics in front of the whole world, and you say "Define provocation".

Guilty toads have to make tremendous effort on "redefining sex and provocations".

Sadly.

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when pak trains tons of terorrist aka freedom figter and play victim card .. what that ?

 

[Ammyy]

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when pak trains tons of terorrist aka freedom figter and play victim card .. what that ?

He was talking about provocation may be he is referring to, Some thing like training Talibani terrorist, Kashmiri terrorist, Secterian killing, xingiang terrorist.

Even biggest gem for Pakistan is OBL.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

He was talking about provocation may be he is referring to, Some thing like training Talibani terrorist, Kashmiri terrorist, Secterian killing, xingiang terrorist.

Even biggest gem for Pakistan is OBL.

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nailed it..