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Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

you seem not to have read my post. no indian think that modi would silence pakistan. we know our limits. but you cannot deny that modi is the very powerful and most popular leader in indian politics in a long time

We just don't care if Modi is powerful or not. Our policies can't be dictated by anyone from Delhi and Indians should realize that soon.

Have you heard about muslim politicians in assembly seats in India that cause a lot of death of Hindus?
But unlike our neighbours we can see the hidden agenda of politicians be it Muslim or Hindus.Those who cant ,will dance in according to the tunes of politicians like Asam Khan or Adityanath.

Should I mention about the atrocities against minorities in Pakistan?It would a long list.
Can you show any incidents about fleeing of minorities of India to other states because of the majority violence?At least one?
Butthere is a lot of thread about such incidents in land of pure.

Show me a single politician who became PM or even MNA with cases like rioting and communal violence. Where in your country people become everything from PM to a simple member assembly after having rich past of communal violence. :lol:

You guys are a joke and with a terrorist as your PM, you guys are going worst.
 
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India knows that there is a limit to bullsh*t it can stir. In any case, LOC has proved that for every man dead in Pakistan, there is going to be a dead man in India. Where does this take us? How is this 'Assetiveness'? To me, it sounds more like stupidity, nothing else.

In order for India to go full out in a war, it needs a BIG FREAKING reason to do so.

So watch out for any falseflagged 'attacks' in India to undermine Pakistan.
 
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We just don't care if Modi is powerful or not. Our policies can't be dictated by anyone from Delhi and Indians should realize that soon.



Show me a single politician who became PM or even MNA with cases like rioting and communal violence. Where in your country people become everything from PM to a simple member assembly after having rich past of communal violence. :lol:

You guys are a joke and with a terrorist as your PM, you guys are going worst.

But our PM is a powerful PM who has his own firm decisions and policies.His Cabinet will issue orders and rest of them will obey it .Be it officials ,be it Armed Forces.But our neighbours have also a government but their foreign policies will issue from their Army HQ. :ha ha:
Foreign countries and their leaders cant influence our PM in his policies.But we know our neighbouring nation who is enthusiastically destroy their relation with Iran and Saudi is playing its parts.
About joke.Entire world know who is real jokers when he knocked the doors from UN to US for K issue .
 
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BJP isn't BJP if not anti-muslim and anti-Pakistan. This is the hallmark and trademark of this hindu extremist party.

Replace: BJP with Pakistan
muslim with Hindu
Pakistan with India
Hindu with muslim
party with country


.....you have my response...

But they are not realising that Modi is becoming a comic gradually :lol:
only for Pakistanis...For Indians..he is one of the best PMs the country has ever had...strong..and decisive...his personal beliefs is none of our concern
 
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But our PM is a powerful PM who has his own firm decisions and policies.His Cabinet will issue orders and rest of them will obey it .Be it officials ,be it Armed Forces.But our neighbours have also a government but their foreign policies will issue from their Army HQ. :ha ha:
Foreign countries and their leaders cant influence our PM in his policies.But we know our neighbouring nation who is enthusiastically destroy their relation with Iran and Saudi is playing its parts.
About joke.Entire world know who is real jokers when he knocked the doors from UN to US for K issue .
you talk about Modi same as our PoTians talk about Taliban Khan.

However we are lucky that our Taliban Khan (A la Hitler, OBL, Khomeni etc) is not on the PM seat. yours is.

Scary, to see the cult of personality among so many Indians.
 
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We just don't care if Modi is powerful or not. Our policies can't be dictated by anyone from Delhi and Indians should realize that soon.



Show me a single politician who became PM or even MNA with cases like rioting and communal violence. Where in your country people become everything from PM to a simple member assembly after having rich past of communal violence. :lol:

You guys are a joke and with a terrorist as your PM, you guys are going worst.

i don't know about pakistans, but you surely are effected by modi. your avatar, your signature tells you are deeply effected by modi
 
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We just don't care if Modi is powerful or not. Our policies can't be dictated by anyone from Delhi and Indians should realize that soon.

You were controlled by USA is past so is now, nothing changed. Your PM and Army chief run to US for every problem in Pakistan their is nothing new.


Show me a single politician who became PM or even MNA with cases like rioting and communal violence. Where in your country people become everything from PM to a simple member assembly after having rich past of communal violence. :lol:

Communal violence also happened at the time of partition and all know who was responsible for partition.


You guys are a joke and with a terrorist as your PM, you guys are going worst.

For a terrorist nation modi is biggest terrorist :lol:

May be you can learn only in your own language
 
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Scary, to see the cult of personality among so many Indians.

Same trait found mainly amongst South Asian. We worship personalities and defend them with our lives. As if these fake gods on earth care about some teen age with pimples beating his chest about Modi or Imran Khan on a forum.
 
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Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

Baijayant 'Jay' Panda

Is India compromising its own national interest by retaliating against Pakistan’s firing across the Line of Control, and putting on hold the dialogue process? Several Indian foreign policy commentators think so, and have been writing cogently on the topic. On the other hand, Indian public opinion seems to be strongly in favour of robust tit for tat. Should that be dismissed as plain old fashioned mob mentality or is there a ‘wisdom of crowds’ that the experts are missing?

The gist of experts’ argument is that the years of ceasefire – which has largely held, if not always – have benefited India. There has been a significant reduction of infiltrators. In turn, that has meant peace has largely returned, tourism is up, and the electoral process is gaining ever more credibility as the means of fulfilling Kashmiri aspirations.

They also point to the hostile terrain and often-flimsy border fence. Their conclusion is that by retaliating India is playing into the hands of those in Pakistan who do not want a gradual normalisation in Jammu & Kashmir, and push through ‘non state actors’ under cover of mutual gunfire. There is merit in these arguments, and they must not be taken lightly.

Nevertheless, it is worth looking at the other side of the coin, and examining whether there is some logic for India’s changed approach. The fact is, despite incremental benefits, there has been no fundamental improvement in Indo-Pak relations. All efforts to upgrade the ceasefire into a permanent peace, or at least a real détente, have always been stymied in the end by Pakistan’s ‘Deep State’.

The best example of this was the collapse of the near-settlement negotiated through back-channel envoys during the Pervez Musharraf regime, which was repudiated by Pakistan after his ouster. Though the benefits of the ceasefire are real, this period has also seen the most egregious instances of cross border terrorism emanating from Pakistan, including the Mumbai attacks, with obvious links to the establishment.

Pakistan’s own internal crisis, from decades of supporting terrorist outfits to wage an asymmetrical war with India, has now reached critical proportions. Despite that, and despite many protestations to the contrary, it does not appear that Pakistan’s establishment has had a real change of heart. In fact, there is much evidence that its ultimate arbiters of foreign policy have likely made only tactical changes, and not fundamentally revised their strategy.

This is no longer just an Indian inference; it is now also corroborated by a growing body of work by Pakistan experts from outside the subcontinent. Two recent books, by British journalist Carlotta Gall (The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-14) and American academic Christine Fair (Fighting to the End: the Pakistan Army’s Way of War), are cases in point. Gall highlights the flaws of the US war in Afghanistan, arguing instead that the country that needs tackling as root cause of the region’s strife is Pakistan.

Fair’s book is equally scathing, and extensively documents the Pakistan army’s track record of unprovoked aggression, duplicity, and of holding its own country hostage. She makes a compelling case for why it is in the Pakistan army’s DNA to deliberately and continually engage India. That is why the ceasefire breaks down every single time a civilian government in Pakistan decides to respond to an Indian olive branch, or extend one of its own.

Although the alleged existential threat from India ought to have been passé once Pakistan became a nuclear state, it has not. In fact, Pakistan has adroitly played on fears of nuclear escalation, as well as its strategic geography, to keep the West interested, and in particular to shake down the US from time to time.

But the world in 2014 is a vastly different place than a decade ago. Despite American compulsions about supply routes to, and exiting from Afghanistan, it is getting ever more difficult for Pakistan to extract baksheesh from them. And ‘all-weather friend’ China, while happy to have helped Pakistan go nuclear and always willing to invest in ports and such, has made it clear that it is not going to be suckered into becoming the new sugar daddy. All that is further compounded by disquiet in Balochistan, as well as a no-longer pliant Afghanistan.

This, then, may be the perfect time to reset the dismal cycle of Indo-Pak relations into a true détente, a live-and-let-live attitude not just in letter but also in spirit. But that is not going to happen by business as usual, which for the past dozen years has meant Pakistan’s army having a veto on the LoC ceasefire, with India wringing its hands and waiting for the temperature to cool. It will require demonstrating to Pakistan its bandwidth limitations and vanishing white knights.

India’s highest policymakers are not accidentally meandering into kneejerk responses. Their response is calculated, and surrounded by policy outreach to other stakeholders, including all neighbours. It is also based on the understanding that the improvement in J&K is not primarily due to the Pakistani Deep State’s munificence, but mainly by our own acknowledgement of past domestic mistakes and their rectification.

In his book The Wisdom of Crowds, James Surowiecki argued that “under the right circumstances, groups are remarkably intelligent, and are often smarter than the smartest people in them”. Perhaps this is one of those times.

Baijayant 'Jay' Panda is a BJD Lok Sabha MP.

Times Of India | Blogs

Praise the king
Hail king Modi

Justify his actions anyway, some way.

The reality is that the détente will be self imposed once Modi gov realized that they are no longer playing little boy games in Gujarat.

It is different to push around minorities in one Indian state, vs. playing in the big boy international arena.


Once Modi gov realized that last time only his visa got cancelled. Now the whole country can be deep doodoo.

So he will impose détente on himself. As he already did during past few weeks.

Hope this was it.

Otherwise few more innocent will have to die before Modi gov finally finally finally gets the message.


peace

You were controlled by USA is past so is now, nothing changed. Your PM and Army chief run to US for every problem in Pakistan their is nothing new.




Communal violence also happened at the time of partition and all know who was responsible for partition.




For a terrorist nation modi is biggest terrorist :lol:

May be you can learn only in your own language


Oh please cut the cr@p and mind your language first.

Just remember you are an Indian working as a good will ambassador on a Pakistani forum.

This is not your Patna Mohalla gali that you have to beat your chest like the rest of the pimple faced kids.

Thank you
 
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Modi is the new Idi Amin. Idi Amin was king of Scotland. Modi will declare himself to be king of Zambia soon.:rofl:

More than half the history, Pakistan was ruled by generals largely with support from Pakistanis. But it is a democratically elected leader of India who takes the cake of a dictator -- a dictator of the calibre of Idi Amin, no less!!! Great!!!
 
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You were controlled by USA is past so is now, nothing changed. Your PM and Army chief run to US for every problem in Pakistan their is nothing new.




Communal violence also happened at the time of partition and all know who was responsible for partition.




For a terrorist nation modi is biggest terrorist :lol:

May be you can learn only in your own language

And you are not US. :lol:

AS for Modi. We he is a terrorist. Don't care what you say about my nation.
 
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Oh please cut the cr@p and mind your language first.

Just remember you are an Indian working as a good will ambassador on a Pakistani forum.


Thank you

Cr@p is something that your frustrated brigade is crying about. Every one knows that who will be humiliated by a word terrorism.

So just replying to them in their own language...

This is not your Patna Mohalla gali that you have to beat your chest like the rest of the pimple faced kids.

This is even worse where people discussing good and bad terrorism, discussion on Indian Muslims allowed but threads about shia and other minority get closed.
 
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Cr@p is something that your frustrated brigade is crying about. Every one knows that who will be humiliated by a word terrorism.

So just replying to them in their own language...



This is even worse where people discussing good and bad terrorism, discussion on Indian Muslims allowed but threads about shia and other minority get closed.

T-Word is nothing new.

you can use it to your hearts content.

Don't cry when some other pimple faced uses some other one letter word to demean all Indians.

Just remember.
 
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Praise the king
Hail king Modi

Justify his actions anyway, some way.

The reality is that the détente will be self imposed once Modi gov realized that they are no longer playing little boy games in Gujarat.

It is different to push around minorities in one Indian state, vs. playing in the big boy international arena.


Once Modi gov realized that last time only his visa got cancelled. Now the whole country can be deep doodoo.

So he will impose détente on himself. As he already did during past few weeks.

Hope this was it.

Otherwise few more innocent will have to die before Modi gov finally finally finally gets the message.

peace

What's wrong in supporting the PM of our own country? Supporting Modi for his individual actions is following personality of cult?

Shouldn't you too be supporting your Government in important matters?

Amazing how Pakistanis in general (and some members in particular who are otherwise considered sane), have branded Modi with classifications like "mass murderer", "King", "dictator", "the man who started ceasefire violations"!!!

My simple question is, do you have any basis for any of your accusations?

What part of "Clearing Modi of all charges by Supreme Court of India" don't you understand? Coz if you don't trust Supreme Court of India's judgement, there is no go to be any higher authority to judge him anymore.

Are we going to consider US VISA Denial as the final judgement against Modi now?
 
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What's wrong in supporting the PM of our own country? Supporting Modi for his individual actions is following personality of cult?

Shouldn't you too be supporting your Government in important matters?

Amazing how Pakistanis in general (and some members in particular who are otherwise considered sane), have branded Modi with classifications like "mass murderer", "King", "dictator", "the man who started ceasefire violations"!!!

My simple question is, do you have any basis for any of your accusations?

What part of "Clearing Modi of all charges by Supreme Court of India" don't you understand? Coz if you don't trust Supreme Court of India's judgement, there is no go to be any higher authority to judge him anymore.

Are we going to consider US VISA Denial as the final judgement against Modi now?

try to be fair.

if you don't like him to be called a King, then do not try to bow down on every word of his like some petty follower of Khomeni in 1979.

Hope you understand now.
 
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