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Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

Not enough information to say anything definite. If there has been construction done by India which precipitated the issue, chances are that it will come out sooner or later.



Actually not many buy that this was NS's doing. More that it was the PA attempting to put a spoke in the wheel and when faced with a robust response, felt that they too had to move up the escalatory ladder. It's a vicious cycle with both sides upping the ante. The ceasefire violations started in July, a little over a month after Modi became PM. Highly unlikely that he would, that early in his term,have taken a decision to precipitate the issue, more likely (and is commonly held) that he ordered a very robust response to any provocation.

It is good to also recall that around the same time last year, when a different PM was in office in India; there was a ferocious response to the beheading of Indian soldiers when PA posts took a pounding with many killed. Many in Pakistan may wish to pin the blame on Mr.Modi but it is fairly clear that border/LC violations have been happening even before.

There are four parties involved: GoP, GoI, IA and PA.

Let's accept the Indian narrative that the real players are GoI and PA. Then the question becomes which of them has the more likely motive to escalate tensions. Not knowing all the facts, we can only guess.

I simply do not see any reason for the PA to change the normal behavior. What can it possibly hope to achieve, since neither side wants to go to full scale war? The GoI, on the other hand, has every reason to make an assertive statement of arrival and set the tone for its dealings vis-a-vis PA.
 
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I simply do not see any reason for the PA to change the normal behavior. What can it possibly hope to achieve, since neither side wants to go to full scale war? The GoI, on the other hand, has every reason to make an assertive statement of arrival and set the tone for its dealings vis-a-vis PA.

Two points. Modi had just come back from a well publicised visit to the US and he had no reason to take the sheen off the visit especially since he had almost completely ignored Pakistan in his talks. Add to that, he was involved in a electoral campaign where he took a lot of flak for campaigning when the border was heating up (it was pressure from the opposition parties on this issue that caused Modi to make hard comments about the border issue, he initially made no comments). There was no guarantee that the situation would not have escalated or that it would come to an end in a manner favouring India. Too many variables to make it worth taking the risk. Also contrary to what many Pakistanis think, Modi doesn't gain much by showing his tough stance. He's an experienced politican who does not play these cards lightly because he knows that outcomes are not always easy to predict. It also exposes him to the charge of flip-flopping on Pakistan, considering that he had the courage to disappoint quite a bit of his supporters by reaching out to Pakistan by inviting NS and accepting FS level talks, something that had not happened for quite some time (especially when you also consider that the attack in Herat on the eve of the swearing in was traced back to the LeT). Not many Pakistani commentators understand the significance of Modi agreeing for FS talks, given that the BJP in opposition had gone after the then government for considering talking after 26/11. This was a pretty big departure from that, one that didn't get the approval of many of his supporters. Easy to portray him as anti-Pakistan & war monger but even the very limited facts available don't support that.

PA has an interest to keep Kashmir on a low boil. Having it completely go off the radar is not something they want to happen. Border firing is a low risk strategy because the escalation ladder here has only a few steps.
 
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i am not for any talk with pak until for another 5 years. let the detente continue
 
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Bharatis must be frustrated with ISIS and the fact that it's not linked to Pakistan. All their verbal diarrhea about ISI and support for Taliban seems to have taken back stage now with the emergence of ISIS. I am guessing they're still searching for a link between ISIS and Pakistan so they "show the world'.
 
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Pakis are living in delusion. You are 1 of them.
Why will we try to link ISIS to Pakistan when whole world watched Osama bin Laden in your country he was enjoying biryani there.
Grow Up.

There is no delusion - if anyone is delusional it is you. No one gives a sh*t about bharatis and their verbal diarrhea about ISI these days, and it is obvious why - ISIS. OBL episode is history as well. You bharatis need to step up your game in finding the link between ISIS and ISI.
 
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Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

Baijayant 'Jay' Panda

Is India compromising its own national interest by retaliating against Pakistan’s firing across the Line of Control, and putting on hold the dialogue process? Several Indian foreign policy commentators think so, and have been writing cogently on the topic. On the other hand, Indian public opinion seems to be strongly in favour of robust tit for tat. Should that be dismissed as plain old fashioned mob mentality or is there a ‘wisdom of crowds’ that the experts are missing?

The gist of experts’ argument is that the years of ceasefire – which has largely held, if not always – have benefited India. There has been a significant reduction of infiltrators. In turn, that has meant peace has largely returned, tourism is up, and the electoral process is gaining ever more credibility as the means of fulfilling Kashmiri aspirations.

They also point to the hostile terrain and often-flimsy border fence. Their conclusion is that by retaliating India is playing into the hands of those in Pakistan who do not want a gradual normalisation in Jammu & Kashmir, and push through ‘non state actors’ under cover of mutual gunfire. There is merit in these arguments, and they must not be taken lightly.

Nevertheless, it is worth looking at the other side of the coin, and examining whether there is some logic for India’s changed approach. The fact is, despite incremental benefits, there has been no fundamental improvement in Indo-Pak relations. All efforts to upgrade the ceasefire into a permanent peace, or at least a real détente, have always been stymied in the end by Pakistan’s ‘Deep State’.

The best example of this was the collapse of the near-settlement negotiated through back-channel envoys during the Pervez Musharraf regime, which was repudiated by Pakistan after his ouster. Though the benefits of the ceasefire are real, this period has also seen the most egregious instances of cross border terrorism emanating from Pakistan, including the Mumbai attacks, with obvious links to the establishment.

Pakistan’s own internal crisis, from decades of supporting terrorist outfits to wage an asymmetrical war with India, has now reached critical proportions. Despite that, and despite many protestations to the contrary, it does not appear that Pakistan’s establishment has had a real change of heart. In fact, there is much evidence that its ultimate arbiters of foreign policy have likely made only tactical changes, and not fundamentally revised their strategy.

This is no longer just an Indian inference; it is now also corroborated by a growing body of work by Pakistan experts from outside the subcontinent. Two recent books, by British journalist Carlotta Gall (The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-14) and American academic Christine Fair (Fighting to the End: the Pakistan Army’s Way of War), are cases in point. Gall highlights the flaws of the US war in Afghanistan, arguing instead that the country that needs tackling as root cause of the region’s strife is Pakistan.

Fair’s book is equally scathing, and extensively documents the Pakistan army’s track record of unprovoked aggression, duplicity, and of holding its own country hostage. She makes a compelling case for why it is in the Pakistan army’s DNA to deliberately and continually engage India. That is why the ceasefire breaks down every single time a civilian government in Pakistan decides to respond to an Indian olive branch, or extend one of its own.

Although the alleged existential threat from India ought to have been passé once Pakistan became a nuclear state, it has not. In fact, Pakistan has adroitly played on fears of nuclear escalation, as well as its strategic geography, to keep the West interested, and in particular to shake down the US from time to time.

But the world in 2014 is a vastly different place than a decade ago. Despite American compulsions about supply routes to, and exiting from Afghanistan, it is getting ever more difficult for Pakistan to extract baksheesh from them. And ‘all-weather friend’ China, while happy to have helped Pakistan go nuclear and always willing to invest in ports and such, has made it clear that it is not going to be suckered into becoming the new sugar daddy. All that is further compounded by disquiet in Balochistan, as well as a no-longer pliant Afghanistan.

This, then, may be the perfect time to reset the dismal cycle of Indo-Pak relations into a true détente, a live-and-let-live attitude not just in letter but also in spirit. But that is not going to happen by business as usual, which for the past dozen years has meant Pakistan’s army having a veto on the LoC ceasefire, with India wringing its hands and waiting for the temperature to cool. It will require demonstrating to Pakistan its bandwidth limitations and vanishing white knights.

India’s highest policymakers are not accidentally meandering into kneejerk responses. Their response is calculated, and surrounded by policy outreach to other stakeholders, including all neighbours. It is also based on the understanding that the improvement in J&K is not primarily due to the Pakistani Deep State’s munificence, but mainly by our own acknowledgement of past domestic mistakes and their rectification.

In his book The Wisdom of Crowds, James Surowiecki argued that “under the right circumstances, groups are remarkably intelligent, and are often smarter than the smartest people in them”. Perhaps this is one of those times.

Baijayant 'Jay' Panda is a BJD Lok Sabha MP.

Times Of India | Blogs
Absolutely wrong argument, Modi/Dovals, policy is setting up India finally for a strong offensive move, although India's border position fortification is ludicrously flimsy at the current stage, this firm retaliatory policy will facilitate higher integrated defenses on the pakistani border... with addition permanent deployment of higher mechanized infantry and artillery support along the border lines.

The escalation during the recent engagement was lack lustre and wasn't rapid enough, India needs to be in the position to in escalate rapidly along the entire border areas, not just in the localized border posts... If this government is serious about making escalation un-affordable for pakistan, it needs to put its money where it's mouth is.... Indian Army needs real-time satellite imagery to guide precision arty strikes throughout the pakistan border....

Pakistan needs to know that retaliation will not be just a fancy political word anymore , it would be a credible deterrence policy from now on going forward against unilateral localized aggression from pakistani army and it's proxies.
 
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Two points. Modi had just come back from a well publicised visit to the US and he had no reason to take the sheen off the visit especially since he had almost completely ignored Pakistan in his talks. Add to that, he was involved in a electoral campaign where he took a lot of flak for campaigning when the border was heating up (it was pressure from the opposition parties on this issue that caused Modi to make hard comments about the border issue, he initially made no comments). There was no guarantee that the situation would not have escalated or that it would come to an end in a manner favouring India. Too many variables to make it worth taking the risk. Also contrary to what many Pakistanis think, Modi doesn't gain much by showing his tough stance. He's an experienced politican who does not play these cards lightly because he knows that outcomes are not always easy to predict. It also exposes him to the charge of flip-flopping on Pakistan, considering that he had the courage to disappoint quite a bit of his supporters by reaching out to Pakistan by inviting NS and accepting FS level talks, something that had not happened for quite some time (especially when you also consider that the attack in Herat on the eve of the swearing in was traced back to the LeT). Not many Pakistani commentators understand the significance of Modi agreeing for FS talks, given that the BJP in opposition had gone after the then government for considering talking after 26/11. This was a pretty big departure from that, one that didn't get the approval of many of his supporters. Easy to portray him as anti-Pakistan & war monger but even the very limited facts available don't support that.

PA has an interest to keep Kashmir on a low boil. Having it completely go off the radar is not something they want to happen. Border firing is a low risk strategy because the escalation ladder here has only a few steps.

The diplomatic overtures by Modi were formulaic niceties which mean nothing. As someone else mentioned, they were more like the new emperor summoning courtiers to his coronation. GoP knew exactly what was going on -- symbolic fluff without substance -- but they had to go along with the diplomatic charade.

As for the rest, I don't think you are giving Modi enough credit. I consider him to be one of the shrewdest politicians active today. He can run circles around most world leaders, including Nawaz Sharif and Obama. I would put him in the same league as genius politicians like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.

Modi leveraged the right wing Hindu constituency which was feeling disenfranchised and became their champion. When the time came, he lowered his right-wing profile and courted the mainstream business community, He keeps each constituency happy by periodically giving them some meat to chew on.

Hidden behind all this are his personal feelings. I believe that he genuinely hates Muslims, but he will not let that affect his dealings with Muslims -- except when he can indulge himself by pandering to the Hindu extremist constituency. Two birds with one stone. Similarly, I have no doubt whatsoever that he harbors a deep grudge against the US government, but he will bide his time. He will be very nice and cooperative with the US -- until he can find an opportunity to stick it to the US and portray it as a stance of Indian sovereignty and India's strength.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, I don't think he is anti-Pakistan -- any more so than most nationalistic Indians. He will deal with Pakistan when he has to, but he will also take occasional potshots to keep the Indian nationalists happy. China is too powerful, and Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are too weak. Pakistan fits in the Goldilocks zone for Indian chest beating.
 
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you have rank of pdf veteran? :rofl:
again I am asking why would we try to find the link between ISIS and ISI?

Yes I am pdf veteran. Your point? I think it's obvious why Indians would want there to be a link between ISIS and ISI. The fact that ISIS is now considered Islamic terrorist group #1 and the FATA region has taken a backstage means Indian verbal diarrhea about ISI has taken a backstage as well. The frustration is obvious.
 
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i hate to break it to the indians, but modi lacks the spine or ability to arm twist Pakistan or bully us
 
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This concept of yours have fundamental problem, "you are Pakistan not USA."

So talk like Pakistan, don't forget your capability.

same advice goes to indians - before their next Cold Start doctrinal [wet] dreams

dont forget your capability either, or the consequences of acting too big for your chappals
 
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i hate to break it to the indians, but modi lacks the spine or ability to arm twist Pakistan or bully us
Exactly,now break it to the Pakistani friends who are saying,Modi is escalating things in the border.:-)

same advice goes to indians - before their next Cold Start doctrinal [wet] dreams

dont forget your capability either, or the consequences of acting too big for your chappals
Stop assuming and everything will be fine,there is no such thing as cold start.
 
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