why india is arab league observer member but not pakistan ?

[Cherub786]

Folks just because Pakistan doesn’t waste its time at senseless meetings with useless Arab „leaders“ it doesn’t mean that the Ummah is dead. Statements like these are not helpful.

Muslims have issues with each other and I honestly don’t like those „Mashallah-Itaqillah“-Akhis because often they use a religious cover-up for their Ego. I am holier than thou attitude it is.

I walk through the streets of Munich and I see another Muslims - not necessarily Pakistani - he will smile at me and say Salam. This is Ummah. The sympathy we feel for another Muslim in need even though we ne know we cannot help him. This is Ummah. The feeling at the mosque when you pray with Asians, Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis, Afghans, Africans all together even though our leaders hate each other. This is Ummah. We just need to act on our foundation.

This doesn’t mean that Pakistani army is the mercenary of the Muslim world or that Arabs are the Bank account of the Muslim world. We need strong Muslim nations and they must do what is best for them! Think global but for the love of god act local. Make Pakistan great, so our foundation myth can inspire the whole Muslim world to thrive like no one else!

We will achieve it inshallah, it’s just a matter of Time!

Well today I learned there are elements (I don't know how strong) in the Pakistani deep state establishment that in their heart of hearts consider Islam and Ummah a liability, since their first and foremost cause is Pakistani nationalism. PAKISTANFOREVER and Imran Khan are two users on PDF that apparently represent this tendency.
That is quite disturbing to be honest with you. I am a Pakistani myself, and I sincerely want Pakistan to be a successful Islamic state, a model for the rest of the Muslim world, but when I see these fanatic Pakistani nationalists and this kind of rhetoric I get second thoughts about who really are the deep state establishment and what are their true feelings and motives? The way they are talking "Islam will vanish but Pakistan will remain" and "we are the inheritors of the Indus Valley Civilization" remind me of Hindutva types and not ordinary Pakistani patriots. These people are dangerous, beware of them. They need to be exposed

 

[Mirzah]

pakistan was formed for minorities of india and you can see how minorities been treated in india today . qaid said you are free to go you mosques churches and temples . go check 11august speech first sir .

Muhammad Ali Jinnah's 11 August Speech - Wikipedia

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Pakistan movement fundamental was Muslim Ummah, Muslims coming together to create a homeland where there won't be any tyranny of the hindu majority.

 

[hussain0216]

I just want to clarify something for everyone here


THE UMMAH EXISTS

It will exist aslong as their are Muslims in this world


The UMMAH is our Muslim family and should not be so glibly disregarded, we are 2 BILLION muslims spread across the world


The problem isn't the UMMAH, or the Quran or the Message of Allah bought to us by Muhammad pbuh




The problem is us, the problem is the failure of Muslims of our time and the Muslims for centuries


Muslim power will come and go and come again

We will suffer when we are weak and we will shatter our enemies when we are strong



When Muslims are ready for the UMMAH it will be there


The UMMAH hasn't gone anywhere,
We are just shit people at the moment and have left it weak with our failures as Muslims



Allahuakbar
Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Mirzah]

Don't play by their rules. Ummah is not a political entity or a state. Ummah is a spiritual community. Our leaders are our Imams, our Sufis, our Pirs, our Ulama, our saintly religious leaders and elders, not corrupt politicians

I meant political leaders who promote Muslim Ummah muslim unity

Pakistan was created so the people who originated from that region were not swamped and genocided by the world's most ugliest, physically repulsive and most evil race ever to have existed.

So they came together because of common threat and joined with their brothers in faith to create a safe homeland for muslims that's Muslim Ummah. Like Bosnia, Pakistan and Bosnia are ummah ideology states.

 

[nahtanbob]

while watching list of arab league members its interested that arabs give india a role of observer even Armenia Brazil and useless Eritrea observer seat but not turkey pakistan Malaysia Indonesia or any good Muslim country can sit at arab league . so much of umaah

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Arab League - Wikipedia

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Eritea is an observer because of proximity to Sudan and Somalia
Venezuela is invited because it is an influential OPEC member

Arab League is an grouping of Arab states - not Muslim states. I realize all of them are Muslim majority countries.

 

[Mirzah]

In case you haven't noticed, these are the leaders of their respective countries of Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia. They are NOT the leaders of every single Muslim country/Ummah. Imran Khan and Erdoğan are NOT the leaders of Iraq and or Saudi Arabia. Read up on it.

They promote muslim ummah = muslim unity Erdogan, Imran, Mahathir
i agree there are less leaders like them and more nationalist ones like MBS, SISI

 

[nahtanbob]

I walk through the streets of Munich and I see another Muslims - not necessarily Pakistani - he will smile at me and say Salam. This is Ummah. The sympathy we feel for another Muslim in need even though we ne know we cannot help him. This is Ummah. The feeling at the mosque when you pray with Asians, Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis, Afghans, Africans all together even though our leaders hate each other. This is Ummah. We just need to act on our foundation.

I assume ummah is something like a nation. You may have the sense of brotherhood in Munich.
At the end of the day any Pakistani man cannot marry Saudi women in Saudi Arabia even if they are the same religion. That tells me it is dead in many societies

I meant political leaders who promote Muslim Ummah muslim unity

So they came together because of common threat and joined with their brothers in faith to create a safe homeland for muslims that's Muslim Ummah. Like Bosnia, Pakistan and Bosnia are ummah ideology states.

50% of Bosnians are non-Muslim

 

[Iltutmish]

I assume ummah is something like a nation.

Yes.

You may have the sense of brotherhood in Munich.

Yes, and in many other places too. It’s more of a mindset.

At the end of the day any Pakistani man cannot marry Saudi women in Saudi Arabia even if they are the same religion. That tells me it is dead in many societies

Claiming to be Muslim doesn’t necessarily mean that you stick to every rule. Many Muslims wouldn’t even allow their children outside their own family (i. e. First cousins...). And Saudi-Arabia is a case for itself. Too much Mullahism and policing, even though Islam relies on self-policing.

 

[Imran Khan]

Pakistan movement fundamental was Muslim Ummah, Muslims coming together to create a homeland where there won't be any tyranny of the hindu majority.

its by chance that muslims were biggest minority sir .just look how islamic mullahs oppose pakistan azad was leader of muslim ummah of that day .

کیا مہاجر قوم بھی اس "امت" میں شامل ہے؟

yes i have edited it .

 

[Mirzah]

its by chance that muslims were biggest minority sir .just look how islamic mullahs oppose pakistan azad was leader of muslim ummah of that day .

yes i have edited it .

Iqbal was for Muslim ummah didn't he write poetry on muslim unity and brotherhood? This Indus Valley based identity is a later creation in 1947 it had no currency

 

[Fawadqasim1]

now this is worse case of slavery sir . can not be fixed . we are here before pakistan too as indus valley civilization 1000s years before islam .religions will vanish but indus velly will remain


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And how do you know that sir

 

[Imran Khan]

Iqbal was for Muslim ummah didn't he write poetry on muslim unity and brotherhood? This Indus Valley based identity is a later creation in 1947 it had no currency

he wrote sary jahan se acha hindustaan hamara too

indus velly civilization is too old then arabs themselves .

And how do you know that sir

i can see it with my own eyes . we have scientific data of history sir . we have dig our cities full of proves . what else we need ?

 

[Wilhelm II]

while watching list of arab league members its interested that arabs give india a role of observer even Armenia Brazil and useless Eritrea observer seat but not turkey pakistan Malaysia Indonesia or any good Muslim country can sit at arab league . so much of umaah

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Non Arab non Muslim observers it's logically

 

[Imran Khan]

Non Arab non Muslim observers it's logically

yeah but when some crisis started soon you remember muslim and arab ummah

Well today I learned there are elements (I don't know how strong) in the Pakistani deep state establishment that in their heart of hearts consider Islam and Ummah a liability, since their first and foremost cause is Pakistani nationalism. PAKISTANFOREVER and Imran Khan are two users on PDF that apparently represent this tendency.
That is quite disturbing to be honest with you. I am a Pakistani myself, and I sincerely want Pakistan to be a successful Islamic state, a model for the rest of the Muslim world, but when I see these fanatic Pakistani nationalists and this kind of rhetoric I get second thoughts about who really are the deep state establishment and what are their true feelings and motives? The way they are talking "Islam will vanish but Pakistan will remain" and "we are the inheritors of the Indus Valley Civilization" remind me of Hindutva types and not ordinary Pakistani patriots. These people are dangerous, beware of them. They need to be exposed

you have nothing to do with pakistan you are canadian and stick with your nationality no need to jump in our matters . you left pakistan long ago .exposed ehhhhhh pakistnai nationalism is drive force of pakistan not some religious lunatic. you are so stupid that chanting people of ummah here , while if you ever travel to any arab country with muslim passport you will start learning from airport your auqaat . people will discriminate with you on every step . how many arab countries you have been traveled with a muslim country passport ?

 

[Guli Danda Expert]

The Ummah is not a collection of artificially defined states, it is real people that form a brotherhood, a transnational community that are connected by their Faith. Pakistani nationalists like yourself can never take away the concept of Ummah from our hearts. Pakistan will vanish one day, but the Ummah will remain

Salam to you its my frst post and reply, roaming pdf since 2008..
Want to say there is no concept of ummah in arab league thats why its an arab league..
Secondly, they did not consider themselves as part of ummar thats why they are going to be destroyed according to islamic concept..
By islamic philosphy and concept it is time of "waelul arab" their pride brave and valor has gone long ago..
Yes islam will not vanish but muslims will, yes not in full numbers but in huge numbers. Thats why you seeing arabs being murdered one by one..
The flag of future is not in the hands of arabs untill the arrival of mehdi.. But his warriors, moslty will be non arabs..