Why India has been forced into defensive posture against Pakistan (explaination thread)

[cocomo]

After hurting Pakistan through proxies India became over confident and took risks that failed. The Balakot incident which seemed nothing more than international image building exercise blew back big time, no one believed is eradication of terrorists story, recent article by Daniel Markey an indophile posits that this incident and the subsequent claim of downing an F-16 proved India wasn't a credible international player. Indian poked the Chinese dragon and now have a sore face to show for it. Their international image is the gutter especially with the Hindu terrorists ruling over there. And the best part is they did all this to themselves, that is why I am against extremists taking power in Pakistan because they think through they back sides and have post-life national goals.

 

[Battlion25]

self-assumptions and ground realities are never the same

 

[FuturePAF]

The Indians mention that they have had to cut the budgets of their Afghan and Iranian operations (cutting their losses) to deal with a growing China threat.

So the simple answer to the thread title is India riled up China (claiming they would take Aksai Chin) and bit off more than it could chew.

From 2:10 - 2:38

 

[TheSolution]

Let's see it this way..


1) Pakistan will have good relations with Afghanistan and the little rocks in the way will be kicked off one by one over time. ( That's why I insisted Pakistan posture with the Taliban government is for the long run and not get frustrated when Pakistan sends some aid which Afghanistan is desperately in need off, see the bigger picture when Pakistan advocates for International relief for Afghanistan and not just get twisted in some libtards panties which are sore since saleh was kicked out). Maybe it will take 2 years may be 5 but we will get there hopefully.
Before all of this when Indian poodles were running Afghanistan with the support of the US, had it not been for the Taliban resistance Pakistan would be very vunerable on both of its longest borders.

2) During last couple of years China and Pakistan relations at a strategic level has consolidated significantly owning both in part to India flawed foreign policy and military gymnastics.
With the recent purchases the developing interoperability between the 2 forces.

There is a reason why India focus has shifted again to BLA etc proxies and Iran and with time we will sort that out too.

Sending aid alone is not good enough, general opinion between Afghans regarding Pakistan is rock bottom, they need to tackle this narrative to make any Afghan-Pak relationship sustainable. If the Taliban themselves cannot publicly state any possible co-operation, or even just neutrality with Pakistan, then the relationship is too fragile for it to be reliable.

In all honesty, if India was in this position, the narrative would've been broken down relatively easily over time. Pakistan is nowhere to be seen in the media warfare.

 

[Patriot forever]

Sending aid alone is not good enough, general opinion between Afghans regarding Pakistan is rock bottom, they need to tackle this narrative to make any Afghan-Pak relationship sustainable. If the Taliban themselves cannot publicly state any possible co-operation, or even just neutrality with Pakistan, then the relationship is too fragile for it to be reliable.

In all honesty, if India was in this position, the narrative would've been broken down relatively easily over time. Pakistan is nowhere to be seen in the media warfare.

I am glad you said it, please check out the thread on pdf on the aid we gave to them and the replies there or the responses where we organized events like OIC submit.

Did we project the aid, OIC summit as confidence building measures and tried to build a narrative around it?

India built a fucking library and act as it was feeding entire Afghanistan.

Narrative is half part of the war.

 

[TheSolution]

I am glad you said it, please check out the thread on pdf on the aid we gave to them and the replies there or the responses where we organized events like OIC submit.

Did we project the aid, OIC summit as confidence building measures and tried to build a narrative around it?

India built a fucking library and act as it was feeding entire Afghanistan.

Narrative is half part of the war.

I can guarantee you every poster in here knows how to conquer half the world.

Point to the thread and I'll read it, I have not even once seen an Afghan say one positive thing about Pakistan even WITH those things in mind, they simply don't care and stick with the racist views they hold. I've spoken to too many like this.

It's a good gesture, but that alone is not enough, you must address the core of their beliefs also.

 

[Patriot forever]

Point to the thread and I'll read it, I have not even once seen an Afghan say one positive thing about Pakistan even WITH those things in mind, they simply don't care and stick with the racist views they hold. I've spoken to too many like this.

It's a good gesture, but that alone is not enough, you must address the core of their beliefs also.

Because we do not know how to build a narrative.

When the government tries to do so many of us stand against it.

 

[TheSolution]

Because we do not know how to build a narrative.

When the government tries to do so many of us stand against it.

Then ISI is useless

 

[Battlion25]

The Indians mention that they have had to cut the budgets of their Afghan and Iranian operations (cutting their losses) to deal with a growing China threat.

So the simple answer to the thread title is India riled up China (claiming they would take Aksai Chin) and bit off more than it could chew.

From 2:10 - 2:38

Don't fall for that it is for public consumptions just notice how their media and analysts reacted to galwan clashes compared to fall of kabul you will find your answer there.. Afghan outfall was an stragetic boost for Pakistan and being replaced with an independent state that is culturally aligned with Pakistan.. They translated it and understood it as in ''Pakistan gaining more muscles'' and from my perspective a much needed one..

 

[FuturePAF]

Don't fall for that it is for public consumptions just notice how their media and analysts reacted to galwan clashes compared to fall of kabul you will find your answer there.. Afghan outfall was an stragetic boost for Pakistan and being replaced with an independent state that is culturally aligned with Pakistan.. They translated it and understood it as in ''Pakistan gaining more muscles'' and from my perspective a much needed one..

True, is mostly for public consumption. They probably shifted most of their ops via Iran.

 

[Qutb-ud-din-Aibak]

I agree with this we could roll over them conventionally without use of any stragetic weapons..

1. Terrain and nature favors us heavy here

2. It will be grinding but we are totally good for it plus there terrain is suitable for us to roll in our heavy weapons and logistics but it will be logistically difficult the other way around

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

I agree with this we could roll over them conventionally without use of any stragetic weapons

Pakistan has always outmatched India. Indian planner have always been dumb while the military lacked skill.

 

[Qutb-ud-din-Aibak]

Pakistan has always outmatched India. Indian planner have always been dumb while the military lacked skill.

India has good military experts and thinkers but this current crop of rulers are just civilians meaning they are populists straight from the local streets the capable politicians have been usurped.. Yogi could be elected next and his not a politician but a priest

 

[HRK]

Then ISI is useless

This is not the job of ISI .... but media.

 

[TheSolution]

This is not the job of ISI .... but media.

How? Media just reports news and whatever it deems sensational, it's the security agencies' job to feed them information to create a specific narrative