Why does Pakistan have zero grandmaster's in chess ?

[MilSpec]

why doesn't India where everyone wants to play Cricket has not produced a fast bowler yet

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[_NOBODY_]

Lets leave egoes behind and again discuss why Pakistan has not produced a single GM .
The example of iran proves that religion is not a roadblock, and its the culture that matters most , as i have clearly stated with examples of iran , Turkey and Bangladesh.
But I stand behind my analysis that excessively religious countries are poor in chess. While countries with a more liberal outlook are doing well in chess. Iran maybe because its a shia country, which i believe are more liberal, though religious.
Chess is a beautiful game. See the queen's gambit on Netflix even if not interested in chess.
In India we have had a revolution in chess because anand vishwanathan was a 4 times times world chess champion.
Now 12 year olds in India are becoming GMs.

This has nothing to do with religion, most Pakistanis only pretend to be religious and Islam doesn't prevent anyone from playing games. As I stated earlier the only board game that Pakistanis like is Ludo and even Ludo is becoming less popular as the time passes. I am one of the few that plays chess sometimes but I find it quite boring. I would rather spend that time playing Dota 2 because games like Dota are far more mentally and physically challenging and the mind games are extremely intense, plus I love psychologically torturing people. One needs to have good reaction times and have good strategies to be good at Dota.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

2 excellent articles on chess wrt Pakistan -

What Pakistan Can Learn from India

WASHINGTON — When a 12-year-old Indian prodigy defeated an 18-year-old Italian champion in chess this past June, he didn’t just win the…

stanleyweiss.medium.com

CHESS: CHECKMATED IN PAKISTAN

Despite a great deal of interest in the game of chess in the country and despite playing competitive chess since the

www.dawn.com

So your concerns aren't about why Pakistan doesn't have a grandmaster at all but are in fact about what India can teach Pakistan about chess?

I guess none of us saw that coming!! @waz

Meanwhile my dear predictable Indian simpleton, let me dig up another article on what India can learn from Pakistan about serving tea..

 

[Cliftonite]

Pakistan has tons of talent.

You can find extremely talented savants in the smallest towns- Beatboxers in Lyari, Jiu Jitsu fighters in Hazara Town Quetta, female mountain climbers in Skardu.

The Pakistani middle class and upper middle class. That's who are myopic. Already so many people in this thread denigrating chess like it's a waste of time.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Rapid chess is fun. To be a GM you need certain Fide points, and from what I read Chess is not a popular game at all so once it becomes popular we can have tournaments *fingers crossed*

 

[_NOBODY_]

Pakistan has tons of talent.

You can find extremely talented savants in the smallest towns- Beatboxers in Lyari, Jiu Jitsu fighters in Hazara Town Quetta, female mountain climbers in Skardu.

The Pakistani middle class and upper middle class. That's who are myopic. Already so many people in this thread denigrating chess like it's a waste of time.

Chess is a wonderful game but our youth prefers Esports over chess and for good reasons.

Rapid chess is fun. To be a GM you need certain Fide points, and from what I read Chess is not a popular game at all so once it becomes popular we can have tournaments *fingers crossed*

I play 10 min rapid but blitz is more fun.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I play 10 min rapid but blitz is more fun.

It is, but not for everyone. I like to watch Blitz sure, but playing takes a lot of pre-planning and the result mostly depends on the mistakes made or failure to read the strategy (whichever you want to call it).

 

[Dark1]

Chess is a wonderful game but our youth prefers Esports over chess and for good reasons.

I play 10 min rapid but blitz is more fun.

Whats your rating on chess.com ?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You have a Pakistani flag ?
Origin of chess is in India from the 6th century. Nothing to do with the middle east .

was their a such thing as India in 6th century? Cuz the word India was enforced on you by British in 17th cent and u guys kwpt it even after they left.

 

[xyxmt]

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that is exactly what i meant, you consider bumrah and shami as fast bowlers

 

[MilSpec]

that is exactly what i meant, you consider bumrah and shami as fast bowlers

Maybe time to rise above the typical Pakistani Stereotype....

Watch Bumrah 88.5 150.6 kph | Streamable

Watch "Bumrah 88.5 150.6 kph" on Streamable.

streamable.com

Clocking 150+ is not fast?

 

[_NOBODY_]

Whats your rating on chess.com ?

+600, I am noob at chess.

It is, but not for everyone. I like to watch Blitz sure, but playing takes a lot of pre-planning and the result mostly depends on the mistakes made or failure to read the strategy (whichever you want to call it).

My strategy when playing blitz is to outlast my opponent rather than trying to win.

 

[Dark1]

+600, I am noob at chess.

My strategy when playing blitz is to outlast my opponent rather than trying to win.

600 ? Are u sure ? I think when you register, its at 1000 ?
I am at 1550.

 

[_NOBODY_]

600 ? Are u sure ? I think when you register, its at 1000 ?
I am at 1550.

I started at 300, I have played very few games.

 

[ssethii]

Sultan Khan after winning the 1929 British Champinship in Ramsgate. Photo © collection David de Lucia. The (Political) Story Of 'Extraordinary Genius' Sultan Khan‎


PeterDoggers

The story of Sultan Khan, a remarkable chess talent from India who was brought to Europe by his master, won the British Championship three times, and defeated Jose Capablanca in a tournament game, is also a political tale. After seven years of research, GM Daniel King has published a biography.
"The fact that even under such conditions he succeeded in becoming a champion reveals a genius for chess which is nothing short of extraordinary," wrote Capablanca years after meeting Sultan Khan at the chessboard. These words perhaps mean even more than the result of their mutual game.
Before we move on, here is that famous game, with annotations as they appear in the book, kindly provided by the author and the publisher. The game was in fact played on December 31, 1930.



Malik Mir Sultan Khan was born in 1905 in Mittha Tawana, Punjab, British India. At the age of nine, he learned to play Indian chess, a version which had different rules for e.g. pawn moves, castling, and stalemate.


Showing a considerable talent for this game, he was considered to be the best player in Punjab when he was taken into the household of Colonel Nawab Malik Sir Umar Hayat Khan Tiwana in 1926.


It was then and there that Sultan Khan learned the rules of western chess and got to play against some of the strongest Indian players. His talent for chess as we know it quickly became apparent as well when Khan won the All-India Championship, organized by Sir Umar, in 1928.


A year later, Sultan Khan joined Sir Umar on a trip to Europe, and in a period of just four years, before returning to India, he scored a number of great successes on the chessboard:

• won the British Championships in 1929, 1932 and 1933
• scored 6/9 in the Hastings 1930-1931 tournament where he beat Capablanca
• defeated Savielly Tartakower 6.5-5.5 in a match in January 1931
• lost a match 2.5-3.5 to Salo Flohr in February 1932
• represented the British Empire in two Olympiads, scoring 11.5/17 on top board in Prague 1931.

It's a remarkable story and one that deserves a full-fledged biography. After R.N. Coles's 1965 limited book "Mir Sultan Khan," the English grandmaster and commentator Danny King has now written a new biography, published by New in Chess, that comes close to being the definitive story.


Daniel King's new book.

"Almost seven years ago, I was contacted by a theater director who enjoyed chess and had come across the story," King started. "He got in touch with me and asked me to do some research for him into the story and to kind of explain what was really going on in his chess. So I did a little research for him, and we met up and discussed it. Not much happened after that, but basically I continued my research. I'd always known the story, but I didn't know the background and the details, and the more I looked, the more extraordinary the story became."


On and off over the last seven years, King visited the British Library near King's Cross in the center of London ("the most fantastic building in the world, I love it!" - King) where he did most of his research.


"It was a hobby. And then I thought: I've got all this material, what do I do with it? So I started to organize, and I thought: OK, I think this needs to be a book," he said.


The book is a biography that tells about Sultan Khan's life, the highlights of his chess career, and his games with annotations. At this point, over 200 Sultan Khan games are known, of which dozens never made it into the databases.


King: "The kind of access you get to contemporary newspapers and magazines in the British Library is extraordinary. Some of the stuff is on microfilm, but they also have physical newspapers from 1929, and that's really amazing. I found games he played in simuls, county matches, really obscure stuff.


"When I was doing my research, sometimes I'd spend a couple of days at the British Library, and I'd find nothing. I was sitting in front of these microfilm machines, and at the end of the day, my eyes would be so tired. But on another day, I would suddenly find three new games and a couple of amazing stories. It was like putting together a jigsaw puzzle."

One of the reading rooms in the library. Photo: British Library.
King emphasizes the importance of the political context of the 1920s and 1930s, saying: "The political background is the only way to understand his story. Only if you understand that, can you understand how he came to London and how he disappeared at the end of 1933."


The author continues: "It's bound up with the whole of this turbulent time when the independence movement in India was growing. He came from a very modest background, but he was taken into the household of Sir Umar Hayat Khan. So this is his master, basically. You could say patron, but I think master is kind of more accurate, to be honest.


"Sir Umar was on a political mission to Britain, which was curious in itself. He was fabulously wealthy, he had extensive landholdings in the Punjab where Sultan Khan was from, he was a politician, he was a member of the Indian upper house. So you wonder, why is he interested in securing his position with the British?


He had fought for the British army all over the world actually. So he's very loyal to the British. But actually, he was a Muslim, and he was worried about an independent India because the independence movement in India was increasingly dominated by Hindus. He feared that the Muslim population in India would be marginalized."

A cartoon in an Indian newspaper at the time, depicting the chasm between the Hindus and the Muslims with Gandhi sitting on an elephant that represents India. Image courtesy New in Chess.
"So, Sir Umar went to Britain on a political mission, to represent the Muslim minority (that still consisted of millions) but also to represent the so-called 'martial races.' Basically, these were tribes in northern India that the British had designated as the 'warriors.' Sir Umar was part of one of these tribes and fought with the British and recruited many soldiers for the British. He wanted to stress to the British how important the Muslims were and how they helped secure Britain's place in India.


"When he came to London, he brought Sultan Khan with him. He had already brought him into his household, trained him in western chess since 1926—he hadn't played western chess before—and Sultan Khan was his protege. So this was a kind of soft diplomacy. Sultan Khan made the headlines for him, sort of represented the intellectual side, and his master, Sir Umar, was the warrior. Between the two, they were kind of a perfect combination.


"Sir Umar was a decent player himself. He recognized Sultan Khan's talent and invited some of the best Indian chess players to train him for a couple of years before they came to London. Not that this was training in the kind of strict Soviet sense. They used to play a lot together.


"Sultan Khan joined the household in 1926 and then had training from these Indian players in western chess, and then Sultan Khan won the All Indian Championship in 1928, organized by his master Sir Umar. It was at that time, during this championship, that Sir Umar met a very influential political in Delhi, called Sir John Simon, who was also a keen chess player. That's when, I think, the plan to bring Sultan Khan to London really crystallized.

Mir Sultan Khan

"As far as I could see, Sultan Khan did not have a political bone in his body. It wasn't his place to offer any opinions, but he was brought—I can't stress that enough—he was brought by his master."


One of King's biggest, and most incredible, discoveries is that Khan had played another game against Capablanca—much earlier than their famous 1930 Hastings game. Their earlier game, in April 1929, was in a simul(!), only two days after he had arrived in London!


King: "You can imagine that when I found this game my jaw dropped, my jaw hit the floor."


The third world champion had played a tournament in Ramsgate but then stayed in London where he gave some simultaneous displays. In one of them, he faced Khan.


"The whole story of when he arrived in London is incredible, tells King. "He arrived on Friday, 26 April, 1929. On Saturday, he was introduced into London society by this very eminent politician Sir John Simon at the National Liberal Club, one of these very exclusive London clubs. He played a few games against a chap called Bruno Siegheim who was a former South African champion and did well against him. And then on Sunday, he played in a simul against Capablanca. So he basically stepped off the boat and started playing these games and beat Capablanca."

The (Political) Story Of 'Extraordinary Genius' Sultan Khan

The story of Sultan Khan, a remarkable chess talent from India who was brought to Europe by his master, won the British Championship three times, and defeated Jose Capablanca in a tournament game, is also a political tale. After seven years of research, GM Daniel King has published a biography...

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