Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[Longhorn]

We have our own principles. Why should our policy be reactive to arabs or others? Our ally Turkey has relations with Israel but we wont. Why do we even need israel? They are already staunch indian allies.
I wonder why this one type of people in Pakistan keeps trying to talk to our emotional side and wants Pakistan to have realtions with indian allies like israel and iran?

Staunch allies of India because we refuse to deal with them.
They might not be as staunch if we had relations with them.
Not rocket science, is it.

 

[Naofumi]

I don't know what you mean by blasphemy laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Iran
^ In Pakistan, it's misused law against political opponents, minorities etc.
I would like to know it's in Iran.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You got me involved in all this and now you say "not the topic of this thread"?

That is fair and I concede your point. I am also guilty of going off topic here, but let us keep Pakistani identity out of this for now.

You are having a debate with an Indian, so you both are on the same page regarding Pakistan.

It is only a Pakistani who can present the Pakistani narrative. If you want to ask why we value our religion, it is up to you to study the founding of our country from Pakistani sources and learn our prespective.

I respect you for your commitment to your cause, it is admirable. Obviously Iran is doing something right if it can convince an agnostic such as you about its cause, that is something Pakistan has failed to do with our atheists and agnostics, generally.

We Pakistanis have no large dispute with Iran, it is only Afghanistan and Balochistan which need to be settled. Anyway can be discussed later.

Hope you enjoyed Eid and all festivities. Allah swt bless you.

 

[QWECXZ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Iran
^ In Pakistan, it's misused law against political opponents, minorities etc.
I would like to know it's in Iran.

Yes, we do have those laws.

That is fair and I concede your point. I am also guilty of going off topic here, but let us keep Pakistani identity out of this for now.

You are having a debate with an Indian, so you both are on the same page regarding Pakistan.

It is only a Pakistani who can present the Pakistani narrative. If you want to ask why we value our religion, it is up to you to study the founding of our country from Pakistani sources and learn our prespective.

I respect you for your commitment to your cause, it is admirable. Obviously Iran is doing something right if it can convince an agnostic such as you about its cause, that is something Pakistan has failed to do with our atheists and agnostics, generally.

We Pakistanis have no large dispute with Iran, it is only Afghanistan and Balochistan which need to be settled. Anyway can be discussed later.

Hope you enjoyed Eid and all festivities. Allah swt bless you.

Haha. Fair enough. Isn't Cliftonite a Pakistani member though?

Thanks. I also hope you enjoyed Eid and may Allah bless you.

 

[Longhorn]

Because we are not beghairat like those Arabs and those Palestinians. They are humiliated today because they betrayed the Kalifah of Islam for the British.

Al Aqsa is holy to us, it is Qibla Awal. Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh taught us to love that land and to preserve it.

Before we are anything else we are followers of RasoolAllah saws.

Allah loves those who stand up to evil - wherever that evil is. Just next door to us Allah has blessed the Taliban with victory against the greatest military force in history. Have faith in Allah and stick to the right path.

If you equate your support for the liberation of Al Aqsa with some love of Arab nations then you are an idiot. It should come from love of Haq, love of the wishes of RasoolAllah.

We need to stand up to the evil we encounter on a daily basis in our own country first and foremost, then we can think of standing against evil in other countries.

 

[Cliftonite]

Yes, we do have those laws.


Haha. Fair enough. Isn't Cliftonite a Pakistani member though?

Thanks. I also hope you enjoyed Eid and may Allah bless you.

I am. I've been trying to tell pan Islamic that he doesn't speak for every Pakistani but he likes to veer off.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Eventually it would have happened too just like the unfair deal you offering

Not if Germany was kept weak.

See this is where you need the left wing soft power. You make this about equal versus non equal, every tribe in the entire planet gonna come sort it out.

keeping it simple is interest of everyone when you occupy an ancient trade route.

I don't believe in soft power.
Besides, the left wing is for a more Socialist market, pro-LGBT and feminist etc etc, there's much more to it than the Palestinians.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Haha. Fair enough. Isn't Cliftonite a Pakistani member though?

Thanks. I also hope you enjoyed Eid and may Allah bless you.

I am not discussing anyone else.

I am just telling you, there are many Pakistanis here if you want genuine answers to your questions. You just have to ask these questions in the appropriate sub-forum.

I think you will find many of us level headed and informative.

It is good if you are interested to learn about Pakistan, I think many Iranians come here with pre-conceived notions of our country which are false.

We need to stand up to the evil we encounter on a daily basis in our own country first and foremost, then we can think of standing against evil in other countries.

Why can't we do both at the same time?

I am. I've been trying to tell pan Islamic that he doesn't speak for every Pakistani but he likes to veer off.

Hadd he yaar, bus karo. Lassi pi ke thande ho jao.

 

[El Sidd]

Not if Germany was kept weak.

The finance of it will break an innocents back too

I don't believe in soft power.
Besides, the left wing is for a more Socialist market, pro-LGBT and feminist etc etc, there's much more to it than the Palestinians

Right wing does not believe in equality Benny. There must a middle path surely

We need to stand up to the evil we encounter on a daily basis in our own country first and foremost, then we can think of standing against evil in other countries.

the no go areas in UK?

 

[Musings]

Show me a Palestinian leader before the Brits and the Turks. Show me the Palestinian currency. Show me their exact borders. Tell me about some deals they had with neighboring countries that clearly indicate on relations between a state called Palestine, and another country.

Mandatory Palestine was under British control.
Solely the name "Palestine" doesn't indicate it was controlled by the people that call themselves now Palestinians.

Israel was established by the British in 1948 when they were the kingpins in the region.

They illegally and without justification destroyed Palestine which was a completely legitimate nation with diplomatic ties, borders passport and currency and then the invention and creation of Israel happened.

This was the worst forms of invasion and human cleansing that humanity has and will ever see since the Europeans plundered North America.

Over the last 6 – 7 decades, Palestinians have been forcefully displaced and replaced from their homes by European and other fragmented Jews that regarded it as the homecomings. Those Palestinians that objected were “removed” and if necessary extinguished. (Remind you of anyone?)

According to the UN resolutions no 383 and 242 – Israel must withdraw its troops and settlements to before the border of 1967. Israel refuses hence the animosity generated from anyone that has a clue on what is the crux of the issue in the Middle East.

Your reply shows either the lack of intellect you have or simply the old “lets bury my head in the sand approach”.

Shabbat shalom

 

[Hamza913]

"I also commanded that the homes of the sayyids (or lineal descendants of the Prophet), shaikhs, and learned Mussulmans should be preserved, but that all the other houses should be plundered and the fort destroyed. It was done as I directed, and great booty was obtained."
https://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson5/chapter09.html

That's to do with property, not the executions themselves.

 

[Naofumi]

That's to do with property, not the executions themselves.

How can you plunder without killing?
This quote makes it more clear :
"I received every one of them with respect and kindness, and directed them to be seated. Fazl-allah Balkhi was viceroy and deputy of Mallu Khan, and he came out to wait upon me and do homage, accompanied by a party of the officials and clerks of the government of Sultan Mahmud and Mallu Khan. Thereupon all the Sayyids, shaikhs, and other leading Mussulmans arose, and making the princes their mediators, they begged that quarter might be given to the people of Delhi, and that their lives might be spared."

 

[TNT]

Because your scared of Israeli military technology and war fighting know How.
AND THEY ARE arguabaly india,s most Trusted and loyal ally for last 30 years.

Israeli missles radars sensor are all over the indi military
Raw & Mossad are working together all over the middle east
Its very deep rooted security alliance and Pakistan are very worrid about it.

IF ISRAEL WAS BACKWARD PACIFIST STATE you people would never open such threads

You respect them and hate the fact they are indian allys

You are grossly mistaken. The nation that is not scared of death would be scared of few child killers? The nation that have faced 7x bigger enemy india, the nation that fought 20x bigger nation USSR, the nation that handed americans their *** and you think we will be scared from a tiny israel??

We dont care abt india becoming the US puppy and open to all US technology and u think we ll be worried abt some evil child killers? Even they didn't know and we took down their pilots. We dont want relations because we are the nation that will annihilate them. It is fortold, when our black flag army reaches israel, the jews will be hunted and when they hide behind a tree, the tree will tell muslims to come n kill the jew hiding behind it.
As u said they been working closely with india since 30 years, what have they achieved?? 30 yrs of cooperation and result is 27 feb??

Staunch allies of India because we refuse to deal with them.
They might not be as staunch if we had relations with them.
Not rocket science, is it.

International relations are more complicated than rocket science, u think its a zero sum game? Lolz
Many nations we have relations and yet they go to india and are more close to india, so what abt that? U think tiny israel can make any difference? Just stupid media hype, without US they r nothing more than a country like Nepal.

 

[Longhorn]

You are grossly mistaken. The nation that is not scared of death would be scared of few child killers? The nation that have faced 7x bigger enemy india, the nation that fought 20x bigger nation USSR, the nation that handed americans their *** and you think we will be scared from a tiny israel??

We dont care abt india becoming the US puppy and open to all US technology and u think we ll be worried abt some evil child killers? Even they didn't know and we took down their pilots. We dont want relations because we are the nation that will annihilate them. It is fortold, when our black flag army reaches israel, the jews will be hunted and when they hide behind a tree, the tree will tell muslims to come n kill the jew hiding behind it.
As u said they been working closely with india since 30 years, what have they achieved?? 30 yrs of cooperation and result is 27 feb??



International relations are more complicated than rocket science, u think its a zero sum game? Lolz
Many nations we have relations and yet they go to india and are more close to india, so what abt that? U think tiny israel can make any difference? Just stupid media hype, without US they r nothing more than a country like Nepal.

I think you'll find they are more than Nepal with or without the USA. But I take your point that the USA is a huge power multiplier for it.

 

[The Maverick]

I think you'll find they are more than Nepal with or without the USA. But I take your point that the USA is a huge power multiplier for it.

They have smashed the entire middle east numerous times on their own.
The training is second to none
And they have kick *** combat doctrine

IF they eveilchild killers and just NEPAL why are you guys opening threads to have freindship with them over and over again and at the expensie of dropping support for your palstinian brothers