Osama bin Laden getting newfound support in America

[_killuminati_]

It is acknowledged in Pakistani records. The Establishment knows what is true. Pakistan was involved in the War On Terror campaign and missions for retracing terrorists.

You can establish just about anything in Pakistani records if its accompanied by a small "administrative fee".

 

[_killuminati_]

The only thing I remember about OBL is that when he died, the Americans found huge collection of **** movies in his house.

Imagine the Americans said they found OBL with a huge collection of Hillary Clinton's nudes. Would it make any difference? Considering that the general American audience is gullible enough to accept just about anything without evidence.

 

[_killuminati_]

The danger of what you said is clear. If you claim latitude on HOW, as in methods and paths, I am 'responsible' for my govt's policies, politics, and actions, I can claim the latitude to do the same for your citizenry. That is how Osama bin Laden effectively made all Americans targets for his war against US. That means we should toss the Geneva Convention, no such thing as a 'war crime', no distinction of a 'military' or 'civilian' target, and finally, no end to wars.

Considering the number of times Americans have violated all of these, it's hilarious that you even brought this up.

OBL here could say "an eye for an eye; if you commit war crimes, so will I".

Maybe you haven't realized yet (or rather have realized it but don't want to publicize it) the fact that the US has committed hundreds of war crimes, violations of Geneva Conventions and Human Rights, targeting civilians deliberately all across the world.. all of it without being penalized; doing what it enforces others not to do.

Who will pay? Who paid the price of Americans dropping nukes on civilians? Who paid for Americans cutting off the ears of Vietnamese and hanging them on necklaces? Who pays for Americans testing nukes on Samoans? Who pays for American ethnic cleansing of Chagos People? Who paid for Guantanamo crimes, or droppings bombs on civilians in every corner of the globe.

The fact of the matter is, Americans believe that the world should be punished for breaking laws but US should not be punished for the same. They can commit any and every crime they wish.

This is exactly what OBL wrote in his letter: the hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[delta2]

Your own says otherwise. He never died in 2002, you failed to get him, USA did stop making everything a bloody conspiracy. This conspiracy crap has become a huge issue and people have made it an excuse to do absolutely nothing and make conspiracy excuses.

USA did not even care to present evidence that he actually was involved in any crimes. The 9/11 thing was clearly an inside job.

Anything the CNN says, you can bet that it is 100% a lie.

Questioning the narratives is not conspiracy theories. They faked the Gulf of Tonking incident, and that was in the dark ages comparatively. Liars are always liars and will lie to you, you can count on that!

Billionaires and their wives and kids do not languish in petty, crime/corruption ridden severely underdeveloped areas. They buy islands, travel on private planes and go vacationing on $100+ million yachts. They buy and discard watches worth millions on a regular basis. They do not inconvenient themselves with having to deal with money hungry brown sahibs hoping to extract a few thousand pieces of currencies as a bribe.

OBL could have lived with the Bedouins in the desert and nobody would have found him ever.

American WMD account is based on bad intel received from Iraqi defector(s):

Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

• Iraqi codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bio-weapons• Man told lies try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime• Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion

www.theguardian.com

American troops found hidden caches of chemical weapons in Iraq and eliminated them:

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons (Published 2014)

The Pentagon kept silent as munitions left over from Saddam Hussein’s war with Iran found new targets from 2004 to 2011: American and Iraqi troops.

www.nytimes.com

Iraqi defector(s) were partially correct.

US have provided evidence of its claims in relation to many developments throughout history, one bad claim is not sufficient to discredit American claims in connection to other developments.

US have declassified records obtained from Abbottabad compound:

Materials Regarding France - Page 8

Bin Ladin Bookshelf declassified

www.dni.gov

Pakistan have also confirmed American account in its official report.

Why is this still an argument? Numerous terrorists fled to Pakistani cities and were retraced and caught from time to time:

U.S. and Pakistan cooperate in al Qaeda arrest

Pakistan said on Monday it had arrested a senior member of al Qaeda with help from the United States, dealing a fresh blow to the Islamist militant group and prompting both countries to stress they were working closely on counter-terrorism.

www.reuters.com

High value Al-Qaeda operative arrested in Pakistan, police announce

KARACHI: Police in Pakistani city of Hyderabad announced today that they had arrested a high-value Al-Qaeda operative. The arrest took place last week from Dadu in a hilly area of Sindh province, a senior police officer told Arab News. “Surveillance activities were already in full swing in Dadu...

www.arabnews.pk

Around 70 most-wanted ‘terrorists’ of Daesh, Al-Qaeda held from across Punjab – NACTA – National Counter Terrorism Authority NACTA Pakistan

Official site of National Counter Terrorism Authority Pakistan. NACTA was established as an administrative entity under Ministry of Interior in 2008.

nacta.gov.pk

TTP commander among 10 terrorists arrested in Punjab

Officials said terrorists were planning to target sensitive installations

www.samaa.tv

Umar Patek was also found in Abbottabad:

How Umar Patek was captured

ABBOTTABAD, April 14: A hailstorm was lashing Abbottabad when Abdul Hameed’s son came to his room with an unusual...

www.dawn.com

Al-Qaeda Network was composed of former Mujahideen who found support in Pakistan for resisting Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Pakistani state had sufficient reason to trust these people until they became a liability due to bad decisions of Osama Bin Laden.

The Pakistani ruling class are willing b!tches of the Zionists.
They will obviously agree to anything and everything their masters tell them to.

They are cucks and history will remember them as such.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

USA did not even care to present evidence that he actually was involved in any crimes. The 9/11 thing was clearly an inside job.

Anything the CNN says, you can bet that it is 100% a lie.

Questioning the narratives is not conspiracy theories. They faked the Gulf of Tonking incident, and that was in the dark ages comparatively. Liars are always liars and will lie to you, you can count on that!

Billionaires and their wives and kids do not languish in petty, crime/corruption ridden severely underdeveloped areas. They buy islands, travel on private planes and go vacationing on $100+ million yachts. They buy and discard watches worth millions on a regular basis. They do not inconvenient themselves with having to deal with money hungry brown sahibs hoping to extract a few thousand pieces of currencies as a bribe.

OBL could have lived with the Bedouins in the desert and nobody would have found him ever.


The Pakistani ruling class are willing b!tches of the Zionists.
They will obviously agree to anything and everything their masters tell them to.

They are cucks and history will remember them as such.

I too believe 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[Zarvan]

USA did not even care to present evidence that he actually was involved in any crimes. The 9/11 thing was clearly an inside job.

Anything the CNN says, you can bet that it is 100% a lie.

Questioning the narratives is not conspiracy theories. They faked the Gulf of Tonking incident, and that was in the dark ages comparatively. Liars are always liars and will lie to you, you can count on that!

Billionaires and their wives and kids do not languish in petty, crime/corruption ridden severely underdeveloped areas. They buy islands, travel on private planes and go vacationing on $100+ million yachts. They buy and discard watches worth millions on a regular basis. They do not inconvenient themselves with having to deal with money hungry brown sahibs hoping to extract a few thousand pieces of currencies as a bribe.

OBL could have lived with the Bedouins in the desert and nobody would have found him ever.


The Pakistani ruling class are willing b!tches of the Zionists.
They will obviously agree to anything and everything their masters tell them to.

They are cucks and history will remember them as such.

All evidence was shared with Armed Forces, they themselves confirmed it. Kiyani and Pasha even invited Pakistani journalists and told they how Osama was found. If you are in delusion that entire evidence will be publicly shared than you are a genius.

All evidence of that entire episode was shared. The investigation which was done by the commission which was made also confirmed it. Questioning things confirmed by Al Qaeda itself your Army, commission made by our Governments you still want to blame whole world except look in the mirror than go ahead.

No wonder no reforms come in our military leadership because they have people like you even when they themselves accept mistake are there to make conspiracy excuses for them. So keep making excuses, it only proves we would remain in this hell hole for ever and never learn from our mistakes and disasters. It's always convenient to blame others instead of doing thorugh introspection and look where we went wrong.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

All evidence was shared with Armed Forces, they themselves confirmed it. Kiyani and Pasha even invited Pakistani journalists and told they how Osama was found. If you are in delusion that entire evidence will be publicly shared than you are a genius.

All evidence of that entire episode was shared. The investigation which was done by the commission which was made also confirmed it. Questioning things confirmed by Al Qaeda itself your Army, commission made by our Governments you still want to blame whole world except look in the mirror than go ahead.

No wonder no reforms come in our military leadership because they have people like you even when they themselves accept mistake are there to make conspiracy excuses for them. So keep making excuses, it only proves we would remain in this hell hole for ever and never learn from our mistakes and disasters. It's always convenient to blame others instead of doing thorugh introspection and look where we went wrong.

This post is so stupid. Even people in the West admitted the Afghan Taliban won the Afghanistan war. lol. USA is the bad guy.

 

[delta2]

All evidence was shared with Armed Forces, they themselves confirmed it. Kiyani and Pasha even invited Pakistani journalists and told they how Osama was found. If you are in delusion that entire evidence will be publicly shared than you are a genius.

All evidence of that entire episode was shared. The investigation which was done by the commission which was made also confirmed it. Questioning things confirmed by Al Qaeda itself your Army, commission made by our Governments you still want to blame whole world except look in the mirror than go ahead.

No wonder no reforms come in our military leadership because they have people like you even when they themselves accept mistake are there to make conspiracy excuses for them. So keep making excuses, it only proves we would remain in this hell hole for ever and never learn from our mistakes and disasters. It's always convenient to blame others instead of doing thorugh introspection and look where we went wrong.

How was that episode any different for any episode of the TV show 24, or any other TV show for that matter?

Do you accept these petty mortals to be 100% truthful and trustworthy?

I believe them to be liars, 100%, every single last one of them.

There are no reforms because they're all crooks. The very same USA is on record saying that the Pakistanis will sell their mothers for a few US$. So, is that true or not?

This post is so stupid. Even people in the West admitted the Afghan Taliban won the Afghanistan war. lol. USA is the bad guy.

They whole "episode" was about making $$. They shifted trillions of $$ from public coffers to private hands.

Anyone trusting the Zionists to tell the truth is a fool.
Anyone trusting the cucked slaves of the Zionists is an unfortunate fool.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

How was that episode any different for any episode of the TV show 24, or any other TV show for that matter?

Do you accept these petty mortals to be 100% truthful and trustworthy?

I believe them to be liars, 100%, every single last one of them.

There are no reforms because they're all crooks. The very same USA is on record saying that the Pakistanis will sell their mothers for a few US$. So, is that true or not?


They whole "episode" was about making $$. They shifted trillions of $$ from public coffers to private hands.

Anyone trusting the Zionists to tell the truth is a fool.
Anyone trusting the cucked slaves of the Zionists is an unfortunate fool.

The American people know their country has done wrong, they know it.

 

[delta2]

All evidence was shared with Armed Forces, they themselves confirmed it. Kiyani and Pasha even invited Pakistani journalists and told they how Osama was found. If you are in delusion that entire evidence will be publicly shared than you are a genius.

All evidence of that entire episode was shared. The investigation which was done by the commission which was made also confirmed it. Questioning things confirmed by Al Qaeda itself your Army, commission made by our Governments you still want to blame whole world except look in the mirror than go ahead.

No wonder no reforms come in our military leadership because they have people like you even when they themselves accept mistake are there to make conspiracy excuses for them. So keep making excuses, it only proves we would remain in this hell hole for ever and never learn from our mistakes and disasters. It's always convenient to blame others instead of doing thorugh introspection and look where we went wrong.

Lol @ Pakistani journalists.
Journalism is an inherently Western value. The Pakistanis only know how to accept lifafas.

 

[Zarvan]

This post is so stupid. Even people in the West admitted the Afghan Taliban won the Afghanistan war. lol. USA is the bad guy.

Who is denying that Afghan Taliban won? That is not the case.

Lol @ Pakistani journalists.
Journalism is an inherently Western value. The Pakistanis only know how to accept lifafas.

Whole world is doing sazish you are massom innocent gullible guy. Please continue. Nothing can be done about a person who wants to balme whole world except for looking in the mirror. So continue with your delusions.

 

[arjunk]

Then stay away from YOUR argument in post 60. Muslims are saying that since all Israelis must serve mandatory military time, that means no adult Israeli is protected from attacks. Now Muslims with your argument in post 60, can say that since Americans have the 2nd Amendment, whether an American adult is armed or not, all Americans are 'legitimate' military targets. I say -- bring it on.

"Bring it on?" LOL. America for decades has ALREADY employed such rules of engagement. In Pakistan, America declared that any child aged 16 or above was considered a legitimate military target.

And let's not even get started on Israel which goes out of its way to target unarmed civilians in Palestine. Even the West Bank which castrated itself and surrendered to the "rules based world order" sees regular IDF brutalities against civilians.

Apparently it's ok for white settler colonies to slaughter brown civilians because they're untermenschen.

 

[delta2]

Who is denying that Afghan Taliban won? That is not the case.


Whole world is doing sazish you are massom innocent gullible guy. Please continue. Nothing can be done about a person who wants to balme whole world except for looking in the mirror. So continue with your delusions.

Please read up more on the ideology of Manifest Destiny and its implications in the light of the Project for New American Century, aka the PNAC document.

You have taken George Bush and Obama as your source of truth, but hate to break it to you. One was a cocaine addicted drunkard that believe God told him to do things and the other is a seasoned Chicago bureaucrat accused of running and using crack.

Good day to you sir!

 

[delta2]

American WMD account is based on bad intel received from Iraqi defector(s):

Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

• Iraqi codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bio-weapons• Man told lies try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime• Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion

www.theguardian.com

American troops found hidden caches of chemical weapons in Iraq and eliminated them:

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons (Published 2014)

The Pentagon kept silent as munitions left over from Saddam Hussein’s war with Iran found new targets from 2004 to 2011: American and Iraqi troops.

www.nytimes.com

Iraqi defector(s) were partially correct.

US have provided evidence of its claims in relation to many developments throughout history, one bad claim is not sufficient to discredit American claims in connection to other developments.

US have declassified records obtained from Abbottabad compound:

Materials Regarding France - Page 8

Bin Ladin Bookshelf declassified

www.dni.gov

Pakistan have also confirmed American account in its official report.

Why is this still an argument? Numerous terrorists fled to Pakistani cities and were retraced and caught from time to time:

U.S. and Pakistan cooperate in al Qaeda arrest

Pakistan said on Monday it had arrested a senior member of al Qaeda with help from the United States, dealing a fresh blow to the Islamist militant group and prompting both countries to stress they were working closely on counter-terrorism.

www.reuters.com

High value Al-Qaeda operative arrested in Pakistan, police announce

KARACHI: Police in Pakistani city of Hyderabad announced today that they had arrested a high-value Al-Qaeda operative. The arrest took place last week from Dadu in a hilly area of Sindh province, a senior police officer told Arab News. “Surveillance activities were already in full swing in Dadu...

www.arabnews.pk

Around 70 most-wanted ‘terrorists’ of Daesh, Al-Qaeda held from across Punjab – NACTA – National Counter Terrorism Authority NACTA Pakistan

Official site of National Counter Terrorism Authority Pakistan. NACTA was established as an administrative entity under Ministry of Interior in 2008.

nacta.gov.pk

TTP commander among 10 terrorists arrested in Punjab

Officials said terrorists were planning to target sensitive installations

www.samaa.tv

Umar Patek was also found in Abbottabad:

How Umar Patek was captured

ABBOTTABAD, April 14: A hailstorm was lashing Abbottabad when Abdul Hameed’s son came to his room with an unusual...

www.dawn.com

Al-Qaeda Network was composed of former Mujahideen who found support in Pakistan for resisting Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Pakistani state had sufficient reason to trust these people until they became a liability due to bad decisions of Osama Bin Laden.

No sir, Ahmed Chalabi was among the top propnents for the invasion and carried the water for George Sniffy Bush and Dick the Dollar Cheney!

The Americans knew there were no WMDs.

 

[gambit]

"Bring it on?" LOL. America for decades has ALREADY employed such rules of engagement. In Pakistan, America declared that any child aged 16 or above was considered a legitimate military target.

Source?