You built up a fairly reasonable argument, until you undermined it yourself by contending that the victories were possible for the parties that Pakistan "decides to support". The recognition you seek must deal with the perception that here is a country that can be paid or arm-twisted into doing just about anything, even going against its own national interests. That is hardly an argument for establishing any sort of value, is it?
After all, a used prophylactic might have been invaluable when in use for a good time, but very little value that can be recognized after the act.
I have not tried to build any argument, because I have only stated facts. I am surprised at myself for having this discussion with you for this long, this is becoming ridiculous. The perception it may or may not create is a separate discussion, which part of that are you failing to understand, I keep asking you to not make assumptions but you keep doing it. I'm sorry but that's unfair.
My statements in the original post are very clear, and factual. And, just to put your mind to rest regarding the new assumed aspects you have bought forward, NO, it does not create the perceptions you have assumed, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Each nation state acts to protect its interest, that means you do what is required, Pakistan helped America in the war on terror when it started, but when that war increasingly looked like it could be turning towards Pakistan, Pakistan changed its position to protect itself, which changed the course of the war.
You are creating new assumptions without putting much thought into them, you are opposing for sake of opposition to something I have not claimed I have merely put forward facts as they stand, without making tall claims but you wish to live in a condition where you only wish to find fault in Pakistan without reason, I do not have a remedy for that.
I admire your confidence, but surely you may wish to consider that it would take more than the help as a hired hand to establish enduring value to other nations, particularly those you mention. Things like stable governance (no matter what system), a productive population (at least not widely radicalized) and a vibrant economy (or even a viable balance of payments) are far, far more important.
Pakistan is not a hired hand, you idiot. Why are you stuck in lazy conclusions, and obsessed with belittling your country. If Pakistan was a hired hand, Pakistan would have reduced ties with China long ago because America has been demanding for a long time, it would not have opposed America in Afghanistan to protect its interests, it would have jumped into Yemen when it was told to do so, it would have recognised Israel decades ago, it would have given up on Kashmir and accepted Indian dominance decades ago, it would not have developed nuclear weapons nor a missile program because the world has been trying to stop Pakistan from day one, a hired hand would not have done any of those things.
You have no idea what you are talking about, you keep making silly conclusions based on bits of knowledge.
Please look at everything then form proper conclusions, do not provide silly short sighted conclusions based on bits of knowledge. AND, do not judge Pakistan separately from the rest of the world, look at how the rest of the world behaves and judge Pakistan accordingly, that's fair and decent, have some self respect.
Stable governance and blah blah blah other stupid things you have mentioned have nothing to do with the topic in this thread, you idiot, how hard is it for you to stick to the topic in the discussion, people only go off into tangents when they have nothing sensible to think of in their tiny heads.
Actually, I agree with that. I have been saying this on PDF for nearly a decade already: Pakistan must learn to serve its own national interests above any other considerations. Always.
You have a funny way of saying one thing and thinking other things, when Pakistan looks after its own interest you belittle it by calling worthless names, and all you can do is actively undermine without fair analysis. If you want those thing to happen then improve your thinking, please.
If you tell your kids all the time you are useless, you are nothing, you are this and that, without reason, what results do you think you are going to produce. Develop some self respect and apply fair analysis, judge Pakistan by how the rest of the world operates, that is fair and proper. You are not being fair, neither proper.
