Where is Islam in Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

If I am not wrong, Islam allows muslims to appoint/choose a leader for them.

Democracy is also based upon this sole principle. It allows people to choose their leader.

So what is the issue here?

The issue is in man made legislation based on reps and the majority in Democracy... This is the crux of the problem...

So in a Democracy people can vote on making things permissible or not permissible...

By using this system our regimes across the Muslim world have implemented all sorts of kufr laws upon us...

 

[Durrak]

Regarding Pakistan:

The purpose of its creation was to give muslims of the subcontinent a secure place to live their lives according to principles of Islam. Quaid-e-Azam certainly deserves great respect for this great achievement. He gave the muslims of the subcontinent a great gift in the shape of Pakistan, and we can never repay him in this regard.

You are forgetting that Quaid-e-Azam was not alone in the struggle for Pakistan.There are many Muslims with him in the struggle
The purpose is to established a country which can be run by a islamic system.

The ideology behind creation of Pakistan rests upon the famed Two Nation Theory (orginally proposed by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan). We should be thankful to Mr. Sir Syed too.

Of course we should be thankful to him but should we forget the kindness of Allah upon us
We should implement the rules of Allah upon us instead of following some leaders

 

[Myth_buster_1]

At topic,
Islam is nowhere in this world, forget pakistan.

The true islam is only to be found in converts from across the world. We inherited Islam and we do little to practice it.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

These sect-like organizations are only talk, talk and talk....

They dont have any concrete long-term plans to multi-facial problems of muslims. All they want to have executive power first then they will start thinking about inplementing sharia. Very nice of them.

A temporary emergency work of flood relief and their larger than life claims to resurrect caliphate. Before, flood relief what was their achievement? Without 30-50 years detailed planning on education, economic welfare, political structure, caliphate/Sharia will remain hollow claims.

If you wish to remain arrogant and ignorant... Its your choice... You could have done the decent thing and asked me about these plans on education, economic welfare, political structure instead of using your vicious and vile accusation of having hollow claims...

Khalas... I m not discussing with you anymore...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Again! What does this have to do with democracy?

Do you understand what democracy is?

Read the definitions of democracy in my previous posts.

Regardless of how leadership system is implemented, as long as the people have the right to choose their leader - the concept is similar to democracy in meaning and purpose.

Actually it can be argued that democracy is highly compatible with Islamic principles regarding leadership or possibly based upon them.

A friendly advice: When you decide to argue about something, do some background research first.

Democracy is a man made system and it is obligatory for MUSLIMS to implement Islamic ruling (permitted by Allah) in their nation such as Pakistan where majority 90%+ are Muslims.
Democracy ends the purpose of creation of Pakistan since Pakistan was made for Muslims so they could practice their religion. If Muslims of India only demanded Democracy and their rights then their was no point of creating another country for that purpose since India itself is the largest democracy in the world today not Pakistan.
Thats why Pakistan must be run by Islamic laws.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

assalam alaikum

A long debate but cut it short in democracy same sex marriage can happen etc, simply we got rulings and boundries that we can overrule or cross them

TARIQ

and thus Islam is not democracy...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

If you wish to remain arrogant and ignorant... Its your choice... You could have done the decent thing and asked me about these plans on education, economic welfare, political structure instead of using your vicious and vile accusation of having hollow claims...

Khalas... I m not discussing with you anymore...

Sir you do what you are doing dont be discouraged by individuals such as him.

 

[Martian]

If you wish to remain arrogant and ignorant... Its your choice... You could have done the decent thing and asked me about these plans on education, economic welfare, political structure instead of using your vicious and vile accusation of having hollow claims...

Khalas... I m not discussing with you anymore...

I am really interested in your plans for education, economic welfare and political structures. Please educate this forum members...

 

[Majnun]

In other words, on a country and the lives of millions of people will be taken out of control of the people living there and put to the interpretation of a text by a few armchair scholars?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

In other words, on a country and the lives of millions of people will be taken out of control of the people living there and put to the interpretation of a text by a few armchair scholars?

have no idea what you just said.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am really interested in your plans for education, economic welfare and political structures. Please educate this forum members...

Their is something called "Quran" read it and you will find your answer.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

MODS can you please change the title of this thread to "Islam should be the ruling system of Pakistan".

Thanks

 

[Martian]

Their is something called "Quran" read it and you will find your answer.

For any organization to achieve its objectives, there should be a mission, policy or higher-level objectives.

Then policies are coverted into specific targets, guidelines, actions, procedures, timelines.....

In Quran, a single ayat has many interpretations. For example: QURAN, 2:282:
O Beleivers, when you contract a debt for a fixed term,
you should put it in writing....

Above instruction is applicable to many situations (social, financial, legal, moral, etc) as it requires documentation of business transactions. How this will be implemented requires very specific procedures according to situtation.

Therefore, simply avoiding a reply by saying that 'Quran is enough' will not produce result. Quran gives only broader level policies leaving procedural details.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

For any organization to achieve its objectives, there should be a mission, policy or higher-level objectives.

Then policies are coverted into specific targets, guidelines, actions, procedures, timelines.....

In Quran, a single ayat has many interpretations. For example: QURAN, 2:282:
O Beleivers, when you contract a debt for a fixed term,
you should put it in writing....

Above instruction is applicable to many situations (social, financial, legal, moral, etc) as it requires documentation of business transactions. How this will be implemented requires very specific procedures according to situtation.

Therefore, simply avoiding a reply by saying that 'Quran is enough' will not produce result. Quran gives only broader level policies leaving procedural details.

Either you are not Muslim or you have not read Quran.

Keep amusing us with your excuses not to fallow Islam.

Wont waist my time anymore with you repeating answer to same posts that has been answered previously.

Ruling (al-hukm), reign (al-mulk) and authority (al-sultan) have the
same meaning which is the authority that executes the rules, or
it is the task of the leadership (al-imarah) which the Shar’a has
made an obligation on Muslims to establish. The task of al-imarah is to
avert injustice and to settle disputes that may arise. In other words the
ruling means the guardianship, as revealed by Allah

 

[LeGenD]

Asalam o Alaikum
about democarcy i would like to quote Iqbal

کہ از مغزِ دو صد خر عقلِ انسانی نمی آید

"it is a must to avoid democracy as even two thousand donkeys cant reach the wisdom of a single wise man!and

Jamhoorait wo tarz-e-hakoomat ha ke jis main
Bandon ko gina kartey hain, tola naheen kartey


Alama Iqball has very wisely said WHEN:

Har shakh pey ullo bathia ho tou,

Anjam-e-Gulistan kya hoga

When there is ullu at every shakh doen't matter what kind of ?????crasy there is everyone loose

The only solution to this problem is to educate the masses.

I don't see democracy as a problem within this example.

Islam also allows muslims to choose a leader for themselves. Now if some part of the population is illiterate, would those people be banned from voting?

Read this carefully:

According to the Prophet Muhammad (saw), leadership in Islam is not reserved for a small elite. Rather, depending upon the situation, every person is the “shepherd” of a flock, and occupies a position of leadership. Muhammad (saw) is reported to have said:

Each of you is a guardian, and each of you will be asked about his subjects.

Seriously, you guys are good at making a mockery of matters that are not the source of all evils in Pakistan. Why not address the more significant issues like illiteracy, poverty, and poor law and order. These issues can be addressed in the light of Islamic teachings.