When did you first decide you hated Israel and why?

[Ahmad]

So I guess the conclusion would be that Everyone here loves the jews but only hate israeli state policies.

Not really!!! you are completely wrong!! I dont love Jews. Why should I love them? If I dont hate somebody, it doesnt mean i love them. Nothing to say or do against the Jews, but i have got alot to say about the atrocities of the zionist regime.

 

[Ahmad]

You are opening a thread on single line query of yours?
As for your query, no we do not hate Israel neither do we have a problem with Israel itself. Let me repeat Israel is a reality which is not going anywhere. Had Musharraf continued and you would have seen the start of diplomatic relations between the 2 sides. Unfortunately did not happen. The problem arises when Israel starts killing innocent Palestinians or place blockades. The tone is every much in consistent with the above. Other then that Pakistan or Pakistanis does not have a problem with Israel.

On a side note are you a Jew? just asking for my information if you dont mind telling.

I think he has got dual loyalty.

 

[sunny.09k]

we hate them from the beginning!!!!
n we will hate them till they all END!!!

 

[Nav]

what damn this is...... Wikipedia
is this is not the same Wikipedia which every 5 yr old Indian and Israeli edit

now from when this started to b used as the favorite source for Pakistanis,so now Pakistani 5 yr olds have also learnt to edit it

rumpourm mentiond wiki as a source , and i just reply him with wiki

 

[Solomon2]

I find it funny that the protagonist of this thread has has failed to make any further appearances

I felt I had to give this thread a day or two for people to comment and it is a very popular thread. Patience, please.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

^^^^^ Pls report back to your pay masters ( outside the US).
I guess they wont be getting the kind of response they were really expecting!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Solomon, this thread was un-necessary.

I don't think there was a need for it, sir

 

[Jigs]

Only issue i have is with the government. The Jews i never had a problem with. Unless their nationalists.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Do read this article when you have some time


JUDAISM and NATIONALISM | Third Way

 

[Solomon2]

I think when someone learns to hate someone, one usually remembers when and why. I think any other sort of hatred is a matter of indoctrination - or else just blind stubbornness in refusing to let go.

It seems telling that only four Pakistanis recall when they started hating Israel: Imran Khan when Israel was born (because he is an anti-Zionist), The Joker (when he heard an accusation that Israel planned to attack Pakistan), and Asim Aquil and Ice Cold when Israel purportedly rejected Musharraf. (That last answer was almost my only surprise reading through this thread - and the pages Ice Cold linked to don't support it.)

Out of thirty distinct responses, one-fifth deny hating Israel or Israel BUT cite Israeli government policies, not always citing the reason.

Of those who did cite a reason, "Palestinian rights" and "Israeli atrocities" tied for popularity at 16%, followed by a tie between "killing innocents" and raw anti-Semitism at 12%, followed by yet another tie between those who hate the idea of a Jewish State and those who rejected Israel because it purportedly refused Musharraf at 8%.

The remaining responses - one each - rejected Israel because of its genetics, hypocrisy, genocide against Arabs, support of India, support of terrorism, is presumed criminal, or because Israel has a government at all.

The nicest part of the survey is that the "don't hate Jews or Israel, just the government" line implies it would be O.K. for any Zionist to visit Pakistan for a visit.

The ugliest part is the realization the hatred of Israel and its Jews is something most Pakistanis support in practice, even when they deny it, for very few of Pakistanis raised any objection to the most heinous calumnies against Israel that have appeared in this thread.

Indeed, for many it seems hatred of Israel is something to be desired, regardless of Israeli government policies or what Jews actually do, or the one Israeli posting here would have had the sense of his responses acknowledged. As one writer put it,

If the Palestinians got everything they want—a sovereign nation and even, let's say, a nuclear weapon—they would wake the next morning still hounded by a sense of inferiority. For better or for worse, modernity is now the measure of man.

And the quickest cover for inferiority is hatred. The problem is not me; it is them. And in my victimization I enjoy a moral and human grandiosity—no matter how smart and modern my enemy is, I have the innocence that defines victims. I may be poor but my hands are clean. Even my backwardness and poverty only reflect a moral superiority, while my enemy's wealth proves his inhumanity.

In other words, my hatred is my self-esteem. This must have much to do with why Yasser Arafat rejected Ehud Barak's famous Camp David offer of 2000 in which Israel offered more than 90% of what the Palestinians had demanded. To have accepted that offer would have been to forgo hatred as consolation and meaning. Thus it would have plunged the Palestinians—and by implication the broader Muslim world—into a confrontation with their inferiority relative to modernity. Arafat knew that without the Jews to hate an all-defining cohesion would leave the Muslim world. So he said no to peace.

And this recalcitrance in the Muslim world, this attraction to the consolations of hatred, is one of the world's great problems today—whether in the suburbs of Paris and London, or in Kabul and Karachi, or in Queens, N.Y., and Gaza. The fervor for hatred as deliverance may not define the Muslim world, but it has become a drug that consoles elements of that world in the larger competition with the West.

link

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am 100% sure that relation between jews and Muslims would be normalized if Palestine is formed

Example :
British enslaved South Asia , and other regions for 100 years
it was brutal , racist and degretory but after freedom was granted
thru humane means and justice was done (apart form Kashmir)


Both countries developed normal ties with Britain and infact britain became a focal point of South Asians in Europe

So history points that YES it is possible -

With in 7-10 years after new state is form I see the two countries having sports and cultural ties if they simply move ahead and end their issues

 

[Nahraf]

The day Palestine is created, Pakistan will and must recognise Israel

If you want Pakistan recognize Zionist entity and sell off Palestinians then you should also ask Pakistan to recognize Kashmir as part of India and withdraw from Azad Kashmir and northern areas.

 

[Sudesh Lahri]

Why my post is deleted? Can I not put my opinion on this topic?? Heck.

 

[secularguy]

Indian muslims are not fanatics

No One can Talk for Others.Generalizations fail

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Indian muslims are not fanatics

SIMI, Dawood Ibrahim's gang, IM etc. would indicate that you are wrong.

Also:

Anti-Israel protests continue in India

Opposition to Israeli policies is not limited to Pakistani Muslims, as the above article clearly points out.