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Every country adopts iron fists on Seperstion force, any exception with India? Your intention is to drive a wedge between China and Muslim state. What else good will do you have. ?

I have no such intentions, am just discussing a topic. What goes on in a random internet forum has zero bearings on the actual bilateral relationship between countries and inter faith harmony.

If any one is driving a wedge between China and Muslim states, its the CPC and its openly discriminatory anti Islamic policies.

Why is the Chinese government not as worried about the growing number of Christian converts in the country, but is clamping down on its indigenous Muslims? Isn't Christianity just as foreign a concept as Islam is to the Chinese?
 
I have no such intentions, am just discussing a topic. What goes on a random internet forum has zero bearings on the actual bilateral relationship between countries and inter faith harmony.

If any one is driving a wedge between China and Muslim states, its the CPC and its openly discriminatory anti Islamic policies.

Why is the Chinese government not as worried about the growing number of Christian converts in the country, but is clamping down on its indigenous Muslims? Isn't Christianity just as foreign a concept as Islam is to the Chinese?
The "Almighty God" is an heresy based on Christian, had been claimed illegal and wiped out by the Central government.

To all Indian members, don't try to slander China. If you will, bring up something better.

In China history, even Hui Miuslim sometimes fighted with Uygher Muslim at each other' throat . Different races believe in same religion will fight each other because they have different cultural practice. PRC love them all.

They cannot practice any faith if they are government official. As simple as that. If you even wanna be a post-man you should never practice any faith. It's not party business or anything. A simple peon in government office cannot practice faith.
They have to sign it before joining that they will not practice their faith.
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All Muslim, as long as they obey one China policy, will live happily in China forever.
 
Reading about Saudi Arabia, it reminds me about a great breakthrough in Muslim World that is hardly covered by the corporate media (MSM). This shocking development happened many months ago and just recently shed its light among the wider readership incl. in the Western financial blogs. No wonder the senile king of KSA was busy detouring many Asian countries with big entourage and ample cash offers in late February 2017 (visited Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Japan, China, the Maldives, and, on his way back to the Middle East, Jordan).

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Grozny conference challenges the Saudis

By Tahir Mustafa - Dhu al-Hijjah 29, 1437 (2016-10-01)

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Shaykh al-Azhar, Dr. Ahmed el-Tayeb, has publicly come out against ISIS and its sponsors. In a conference in Florence, Italy (6-9-2015), he said in an interview, “The emergence of Da‘ish [Arabic acronym for ISIS] in such a spontaneous manner leads us to ask what are the deep causes. And the man in the Arab street thinks that the West has something to do with it. The arms Da‘ish has are American, they are not made in the Arab world. Da‘ish developed so quickly and that required enormous amounts of capital. Where did these enormous sums of money come from. The man in the street says the West is not serious about taking on Da‘ish… The world order wants chaos, it seems it has the intention of fragmenting our region and Da‘ish is a very effective instrument. Da‘ish performs a function for the great powers who do not want to see this region develop alongside Israel.” However on this particular occasion, unlike Grozny a year later, he did not take a stand against the Gulf monarchies who are the key financiers of ISIS.

It came as a shock to the Saudis that they were not only not invited to the Islamic conference in Grozny but that the final communiqué even excluded them from being Sunnis.

After spending more than $100 billion over four decades to try and buy the loyalty of Muslims around the world, the Saudi Wahhabis received a tight slap on their collective face from none other than the Shaykh of al-Azhar, Dr. Ahmed el-Tayeb. The stinging rebuke was delivered at a conference in Grozny, Chechnya at the end of August (August 25–27), which was attended by hundreds of leading Islamic scholars from the Muslim world. Shaykh al-Tayeb said that the Salafis — the label preferred by the Wahhabis themselves — are not “Sunnis.”

To understand the true import of this statement, consider this. The Salafis and their even more extreme offshoot, the takfiris, are certainly not Shi‘is — the other branch of Islam. The Salafis consider themselves authentic Sunnis, in fact, super Sunnis and insist others must follow them. This claim has not only been challenged by the head of the most prestigious Islamic institution in the Muslim world, al-Azhar University in Cairo, but they have been banished from the fold of Islam altogether!

In his column last month (September 22) in the British daily, The Independent, Robert Fisk wrote, “The Saudis step deeper into trouble almost by the week. Swamped in their ridiculous war in Yemen, they are now reeling from an extraordinary statement issued by around two hundred Sunni Muslim clerics who effectively referred to the Wahhabi belief — practised in Saudi Arabia — as ‘a dangerous deformation’ of Sunni Islam.” The Grozny conference declaration called for “a return to the schools of great knowledge” outside Saudi Arabia. These schools were identified as al-Azhar and al-Qarawiyyin; any schools, madrasahs, or universities in Saudi Arabia were not mentioned. Truth be told, there are none in Saudi Arabia. What they produce from the Islamic University in Madinah are village preachers spewing sectarian nonsense. The word university is a misnomer to apply to that institution.

Some 200 Sunni scholars from around the world participated in the Grozny conference at the invitation of the Yemeni Sufi scholar, al-Habib Ali al-Jafri. What was the conference convened to discuss? To define the term Ahl al-Sunnah wa-al-Jama‘ah, which a myriad of “Sunni” groups have used to claim authenticity and legitimacy to their particular interpretation of Islam. Each claims to be following the Sunnah of the noble Messenger (pbuh). The tragedy is that each group also invariably excludes others they disagree with from being “true Sunnis.” A further problem is — and this has to do with semantics — the expression Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l Jama‘ah does not exist in the Qur’an or the authentic prophetic hadith. The first Umayyad king, Mu‘awiyah coined this expression to claim legitimacy for his rule, which had no basis in Islam.

Without detaining ourselves with this argument, the Grozny conference was attended by many well-known scholars from the “Sunni” world (no Shi‘i scholars were invited!). The scholars came from Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Britain, and South Africa in addition to Egypt and of course several muftis from Russia. The Mufti of Crimea was also there. No religious scholar from Saudi Arabia was invited to the conference. This caused great consternation among the court preachers in Saudi Arabia. How could a “Sunni” conference be held without Saudi participation and indeed patronage, they thundered.

What was noticeable was the very high profile delegation from Egypt. In addition to the Shaykh of al-Azhar, Dr. Ahmed al-Tayeb, other scholars from Egypt included the former Grand Mufti of Egypt, Shaykh ‘Ali al-Jumu‘ah and the current Grand Mufti, Shaykh Shawqi ‘Allam. The Egyptian government gave its official stamp of approval by sending a high religious affairs representative, Shaykh Ousama al-Azhari, to the conference (to add insult to injury, the Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said in a statement on September 23 that Egypt had a different policy on Syria than that of Saudi Arabia!).

The Grand Mufti of Syria, Shaykh Ahmed Badreddin Hassoun also attended the conference together with such intellectuals such as Dr. ‘Adnan Ibrahim. President Ramazan Kadyrov of Chechnya hosted the conference that was addressed by President Vladimir Putin of Russia as well as Shaykh el-Tayeb of al-Azhar on the first day. Kadyrov went out of his way to honor Shaykh el-Tayeb by not only personally receiving him at the airport but also accompanying him to the presidential palace in Grozny where the head of al-Azhar was to stay for the duration of his visit to Chechnya.

Shaykh el-Tayeb did not disappoint his hosts in what he said at the conference. Chechnya has historically been a predominantly Sufi society. That is how the Chechens had retained their Islamic identity during the dark days of Soviet occupation and the suppression of Islam in the Caucasus as indeed elsewhere in Soviet dominated Central Asia. In the 1990s when the Chechens rose up against Soviet occupation, there was an influx of Wahhabi zealots that came not so much to help the Chechens but to spread their poisonous propaganda. The result has been catastrophic for Chechnya.

Pointing to the spread of extremism and mindboggling violence in the Muslim world, the head of al-Azhar said that the reason behind such behavior was the widespread perversion, misrepresentation, and depraved teachings that have scarred the true image of Sunni Islam. He emphasized that the sole salvation and solution for such an abomination rested with true interpretation of Islam and by abiding to the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) and his committed companions.

All sincere scholars of Islam are unanimous on the point that Islam forbids shedding of the blood of innocents regardless of their faith, even if they have no faith at all; and that assaulting or terrorizing them is haram (forbidden). “In Islam, deviating from that is a major sin and amounts to spreading corruption on earth, which Islam orders to counter and protect society of its devastating effects,” he said. “In Islam, preaching about Allah must be with wisdom and rational conversation that does not insult others or their beliefs. The Qur’an states that ‘force cannot change conviction,’ (2:256)”, Shaykh el-Tayeb said.

The conference was clearly motivated by the demonic actions of the takfiri terrorists on a rampage in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere. They have indulged in horrific crimes using the name of Islam. They call the territories under their control as the “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS).” The Western media and rulers deliberately ignore the fact that these people and their actions have nothing to do with Islam. In fact, ample evidence exists to prove that the imperialists and Zionists are behind such groups for the specific purpose of demonizing Islam and Muslims. This serves their agenda.

It is also quite revealing that whenever there is a terrorist act committed by any person with a Muslim name, there are immediate calls in the media about why Muslims do not condemn such acts. Muslims have gone hoarse condemning such acts but their voices fall on deaf Western ears. The Grozny conference provides further proof of this. Even Robert Fisk noted that Western media outlets generally ignored the conference. The only exceptions were Le Monde’s Benamin Barthe and CNN Arabic. The latter is hardly a channel that most people in the West tune into. Its coverage is meant for Arabic-speaking people in the Muslim East (aka Middle East).

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A photo released by Egypt’s official Middle East News Agency (MENA) shows Egyptian President el-Sisi (center), Shaykh al-Azhar Ahmed al-Tayeb (right), and former Prime Minister Ibrahim Mehleb (left). The issue here is why would el-Sisi send a high-level Islamic delegation to Grozny, especially in the way it came out against Wahhabism, and risk upsetting those who bankrolled his coup and “presidency,” while he systematically dismembered their common enemy, the Ikhwan. Egypt is generally a good bellwether for the direction American policy is going to be moving in. It appears the US is going to be turning away from Saudi Arabia and Salafism, favoring Sufism instead, after confiscating the country’s assets buried in American financial institutions and government bonds. For America, Saudi Arabia seems to have served its purpose, and now the US wants to move the seat of “Sunnism” back to Cairo, where it was prior to the emergence of contemporary political Wahhabism in the Arabian Peninsula. El-Sisi would not have made such a move had he not the confidence from his American patrons that they would make up any shortfall in the funds he might have received from Arabia. In a sense, Egypt’s presence at the Grozny conference is sending the American signal to the Saudi royals that their time is up.

The final communiqué at the end of the conference boldly stated that Sufis, Ash‘aris, and Maturidis are true Sunnis but Wahhabis and Salafis are not! This was a direct challenge to the Saudis who have frequently denounced the Sufis, Ash‘aris, and Maturidis as “misguided” or even not Muslims at all. Naturally, the declaration did not sit well with the Saudis who hit back with threats and dire warnings. Ra‘i al-Yawm, the online Arabic-language website, said in a report on August 29 that remarks by speakers, especially those by Shaykh el-Tayeb, and the conference’s final communiqué caused a storm of anger among Saudi court preachers. They alleged that Shaykh el-Tayeb’s discourse at the conference was linked to a policy to weaken Wahhabism and establish a new, dominant Sunni leadership under the auspices of al-Azhar in Egypt.

Some Saudi court preachers threatened to cut off funding to regimes whose scholars participated in the conference. Their harshest criticism was reserved for Shaykh el-Tayeb and Egypt. General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi’s coup of July 2013 against the elected government of President Muhamed Mursi was financed by the Saudi regime. Riyadh then arranged for several billion dollars more in aid to shore up the Egyptian economy.

Saudi commentators took to television as well as social media to vent their anger. Saudi writer Muhammad Aal al-Shaykh tweeted, “The participation of Shaykh of al-Azhar in the Grozny conference which excluded the Kingdom from the term Ahl al-Sunnah dictates that we change our dealing with Egypt, for our homeland is more important, and let el-Sisi’s Egypt go to ruin.” Another Saudi preacher, Shaykh ‘Adel al-Kalbani, former Imam of al-Masjid al-Haram in Makkah tweeted, “The conference of Chechnya revealed that the mouths we feed bite us, but we do not take lessons.”

This was an admission of enormous proportions. The Saudis try to buy the loyalty of people with dollars and riyals. They are also used to coercing some into silence. True, al-Azhar University has also received money from Saudi Arabia but there is intense competition within the institution about what thought should predominate. Shaykh el-Tayeb is inclined toward Sufism and it has been apparent for many years at al-Azhar that there is a systematic attempt to increase Wahhabi influence there and bring it under Saudi control.

The Grozny conference and declaration may have put the brakes on this trend. It will be interesting to see whether al-Azhar’s scholars will be able to resist the Saudis’ coercive tactics and chart a more authentic path in their future discourse or succumb to the lure of Saudi riyals.

https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/grozny-conference-challenges-the-saudis

Note: Crescent International is a monthly news magazine from Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought (ICIT).

SEE ALSO: For the first time, Saudi Arabia is being attacked by both Sunni and Shia leaders
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/saudi-arabia-attacked-sunni-shia-leaders-wahhabism-chechenya-robert-fisk-a7322716.html

For more reading interests on this subject, just search "Grozny Conference of Sunni Muslim August 2016".
 
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Yes everything which doesn't align with the CPC narrative is Zionist/Western/Hindu propaganda!

Here's an article in the Pakistani media.
Chinese Communist Party stresses anti-Islam narrative

China’s ruling Communist Party is tightening its narrative on Islam with top officials emphasizing the effects of global religious militancy and the possibility of losing Chinese identity.

Chinese President Xi Jinping has focused to ‘Sinocise’ the country’s minorities in the last one year. At the same time, leaders in the Muslim-majority region have increased shadowing of the ethnic minority.

The president on Friday ordered a meeting of Xinjiang officials to ensure there is stability in the region, advising them to create a “great wall of iron” – an analogy to former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping using the term “great wall of iron and steel” to applaud the People’s Liberation Army’s dealing of a pro-democracy protest in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

While some scholars debate about the truth in militancy penetrating the country, Chinese officials remain apprehensive about religious militancy growing around the world and seeping into China. On Sunday, Xinjiang’s top political and legal affairs party member, Shaerheti Ahan told a gathering of National People’s Congress to remain informed about the ‘international anti-terror situation” and its peril to destablise China.

Sentiments in the Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, consisting of Muslims descending from Silk Road centuries back, are similar to that of Xinjiang. While speaking at a regional meeting, the secretary of Ningxia Communist Party secretary Li Jianguo also cautioned against the growing militant threat in the region.

“What the Islamic State and militants push is terror, violence,” Li said. “This is why we see Trump targeting Muslims in a travel ban. It doesn’t matter whether anti-Muslim policy is in the interests of the US or it promotes stability, it’s about preventing militancy from seeping into all of American culture.”

An ethnic affairs official from the state believes that ideological work must be strengthened to promote Chinese identity. “The roots of the Hui are in China,” Wu Shimin said. “To discuss religious consciousness, we must first discuss Chinese consciousness. To discuss the feelings of minorities, we must first discuss the feelings of the Chinese people.”

On the other side, a PhD student at the University of Hong Kong disagrees. Mohammad al-Sudairi, who is an expert on Islam in China, feels that the anti-Islam rhetoric by Ningxia officials hails from Beijing’s anti-Islam narrative, coined in the last year.

“There’s a strengthening trend of viewing Islam as a problem in Chinese society,” al-Sudairi said. “Xi Jinping has been quite anxious about what he saw as the loss of party-state control over the religious sphere when he entered power, which necessitated this intervention. I don’t think things will take a softer turn.”

The Xinjiang issue is not new to China. From violent demonstrations to the Chinese authorities’ strict measures against it, consequently delving the state into a cycle of repression, vehemence and a separatist movement. While the government links separatist activists to al-Qaeda and Islamic State, there is little proof to their claims.



Christians and Muslims Face More Persecution by Hindu Extremists in India, Groups Say

Violent attacks on religious minorities in India averaged one attack per day last year, a rising number that has led a coalition of US Congress members to plead with India's leaders to condemn the violence.

According to the Catholic Secular Forum, attacks rose more than 20 percent from 2014 to 2015. There have been 36 attacks on Christians so far this year, ranging from churches being destroyed to priests, nuns, and parishioners being beaten, according to the Christian human rights group International Christian Concern (ICC), as well as four murders of Muslim men by Hindu mobs over their consumption of beef.

Christian rights groups monitoring the violence say the attacks have coincided with a strong rise in Hindu nationalism, which encompasses a broad spectrum of Indian political movements, but centers around the idea that Hindu traditions and beliefs should serve as a guide for the state and its citizens.
The more extreme Hindu nationalists are accused of mounting the attacks.

The extremists have been ignored, if not outright condoned, by the country's prime minister, Narendra Modi, and ruling party, the Indian People's Party, which both came to power amid the rising nationalist tide.

"It's a radical Hindu ideology," said William Stark, an expert in South Asia with ICC. "If you see someone Muslim or Christian, they're following a foreign faith, and they're defiling India because they're following a foreign faith."

Meenakshi Ganguly, South Asia Director of Human Rights Watch, said the attacks were being carried out by "vigilante groups" who claim to be
supporters of the ruling party. They have taken up various courses of action, including trying to ban the consumption of beef nationally and trying to convert Christians to Hinduism, he said.

"Religious minorities, particularly Christians and Muslims, are feeling increasingly vulnerable," Ganguly said.

About 80 percent of India's population of 1.3 billion people are Hindu, Stark said, followed by about 12 percent Muslim, two to three percent Christian, and under two percent Sikh. There are about 25 million Christians in the country currently, but there's been an increase in conversion among those of the lowest social class, once known in Indian culture as the "untouchable" caste, for whom Christianity is appealing, he said.

"You're in a religion that for thousands of years said you're something below human, and then a faith comes that says everybody is created equal, that's a very attractive message," he said.

In addition to violent attacks, some towns and regions have passed discriminatory laws barring Christians, Muslims, and Sikhs from living inside village borders, accessing public utilities like water wells, or farming nearby lands, Stark said. He called the laws "social boycotts."

34 members of the US Congress, including eight senators and 26 representatives from both parties sent a letter to Modi in February expressing their "grave concerns about the increasing intolerance and violence members of India's religious minority communities experience."

"We urge your government to take immediate steps to ensure that the fundamental rights of religious minorities are protected and that the perpetrators of violence are held to account," they wrote.

Stark described an incident earlier this month in which a Pentecostal church was overrun by a mob during church services. Some of the 60 Christians praying inside were beaten, while the church, its Bibles, and furniture were broken and vandalized.

The persecution is "very much a regional issue," David Curry, CEO of the Christian group Open Doors, which monitors persecution of Christians around the world, pointed out. It is mainly concentrated in the southern region of India.

"You've got, just like in other religions, an extremist group that believes their religion should be an enforced national faith, and there are those forces within India, yet there are also people who want to have freedom of religious expression," he said.

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"It could be that some of these extremists feel emboldened because they feel perhaps that they have somebody who won't pursue them," Curry said of Modi's government. "We haven't seen Mr. Modi step out and protect these Christians and we think he should. It's a very dangerous thing if he continues to let these kinds of attacks go unanswered. "

The government has remained "eerily silent," Stark said, leaving religious minority members feeling vulnerable. The foreign minister responded to Congress's letter by calling the attacks "an aberration," and a recent scheduled visit by the International Commission for Religious Freedom was canceled when India suddenly denied the group its visas, Stark said. The government's lack of action amounts to tacit approval and sends a signal of impunity toward those perpetrating the attacks, he said.

"In the West we have this perception of Hinduism as yoga and meditation, a very peaceful eastern religious ideology. And there are millions like that but there are also radical elements," Stark said.





 
Anything on the topic? Writing in big fonts isn't going to change the topic.
Looks like you are desperate to hide your legibility to challenge this thread? Why too embarrassed to talk abt it? :lol:
 
you dont have to be a member to do civil serive jobs or official jobs you ignorant Hindu``:D``besides there are 7 other minor parties you can join kiddo```unlike fedual India, they have to look at your surname before talking about anything

Civil servants are not necessarily members of the Communist Party, but 95 percent of civil servants in leading positions from division (county) level and above are Party members.[1]
 
Open a separate this thread and we can discuss this over there, no need to derail this one.
Sorry, we're not crazy about India. I don't want to be like a saint on a keyboard.

If I open a thread, I will choose who is the world's largest shipbuilding and export country. Who is the world's third largest arms exporter. Who is the host country of the Olympic Games, who is the host country of World Expo. Who is the world's fastest computer manufacturer, who is the world's largest manufacturer of high-speed rail...
And so on, we can talk too much, there is no need to waste time on indians.

But Indians seem to talk less... I remember a friend from Pakistan saying that the only thing India can talk about is China's democracy. I reply - if not, what do they want to talk about?
 
Is it? Am open to learning new things, but as far as I know only Communist party members can be part of the government, and communist party members are forbidden from fasting during the holy month of Ramadan. It is compulsory for every practicing Muslim to fast during Ramadan, unless they are physically unfit to do so. What this means is that the Chinese government and CPC openly discourages Muslims from doing their religious duties.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

What "as far as I know" is wrong, I did tell you. Try to be wise and accept knowledge. Government is an vast system / management.

In the beginning you learn to tell the differences between Communist party member lead the government and Only Communist party member can be part of the government.
 
What "as far as I know" is wrong, I did tell you. Try to be wise and accept knowledge. Government is an vast system / management.

In the beginning you learn to tell the differences between Communist party member lead the government and Only Communist party member can be part of the government.

Ok so let me put it this way. No practicing Chinese Muslim can ever lead the Chinese government right?
 
Yes that's because you guys are not allowed to criticize your government or its policies or you ll be thrown into a prison. I don't blame you that you only "like" to discuss the good sides of China :enjoy:

How many posts you criticize your government? The posts here are what you criticize my government.
 
How many posts you criticize your government? The posts here are what you criticize my government.

Indians criticize there government a lot, very openly, without any fear. There are dozens of thread here on this very forum.

If the Chinese themselves don't question their government policies, then obviously others will. Especially on issues such as Islamophobia.

So—— if not, what do you want to talk about?

Well how about the topic of this thread, the rising Islamophobia in China?
 
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