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What would have happened had Soviets won in Afghanistan?

The soviets are smart people, gradually they would have shifted their world view and would have started forming alliances with neighboring countries including Pakistan.
Would commies have stabbed Pakistan in the back and favored India or formed an alliance which would have meant no 9/11, no Osama Bin Laden, no TTP insurgency.
If Soviets would have won the next thing they would have done invade Pakistan with their dear friend
Indians would have build more Consulates in Afghanistan
Would mean communist take over of South Asia and that would result in prolonged cold war

We would have eventually had a two front war considering the USSR directly went to war with Pakistan back in '71.

Our involvement in Afghanistan to repulse the soviet invasion was unavoidable:
  • In 1971 the "Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation" was signed and Article IX specifically states that if either nation is attacked the other would come to it's aid to "remove such threat" which was exemplified by a large scale USSR naval intervention in the 1971 war on behalf of India to assist in blockading the Bay of Bengal confirmed by former Russian naval commander Vladimir Kruglyakov. This posed a grave threat to Pakistan in case of a future war with India which would have resulted in us being flanked on both sides by large hostile enemy forces. Soviet imperialism had occupied the Caucuses, Central Asia and along with their openly antagonistic attitudes and actions towards Islam and Muslims including their invasion of Afghanistan it was obvious they had their eyes set on Pakistan and were not averse to going to war with us and considering the fact they already did it was imperative to get rid of them.
  • The USSR was a major source of economic and military AID for India as well as overall military hardware purchases including the licensed manufacture of the Mig-21 not to mention a source of trade which bolstered their economy and by 1972 became it's largest trading partner. Eliminating that source of revenue, military hardware/technology and scientific cooperation was advantageous to us and our own security.

  • The "Pushtoonistan" movement was a creation of liberal trash who opposed the creation of Pakistan but Pakistan still allowed in back in 1947 (ex. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) which was then later picked up by the USSR (Khrushchev himself openly supported it in his March 4 1960 visit to Kabul) and it's allied government in Kabul in an attempt to divide Pakistani's, and Muslims in general, along fictional differences to eventually to rob us of our culture, place control of our lands in the hands of warlords/soviets, and have us deviate from Islam which lead to the 1960 Soviet Allied Afghan invasion of Bajaur on top of which they are responsible for the formation of groups like the BLA by tapping into Ulfat Nazim's Marxist-Leninist "World Baloch Organization" as confirmed by Stephen and Carol McC. Pastner ("Adaptations to state level politics by Southern Baloch" in "Pakistan the Long View" 1977, pg. 136) and by and Lt. Gen. Abdul Qayyum ("Balochistans Commotion: What is the truth?" in Nawa-e-Waqt, May 1, 2009).
The USSR was literally following the instructions left by Tsar Peter I in his will ordering Russia:

"To approach as near as possible to Constantinople and India whoever governs there will be the true sovereign of the world. Consequently, excite continual wars, not only in Turkey, but in Persia And, in the decadence of Persia, Penetrate as far as the Persian Gulf advance as far as India." (Clause IX)

The liberal fascists in Pakistan keep making up these stories about the Soviet Union representing no threat even though the facts prove otherwise and the USSR's most committed supporters like Che Guevara eventually lambasting the USSR. We also need to mention that the USSR by the 60s also had fallen out of favor with the Communist Party of China and obviously Pakistan and China's growing relations post '62 Indian-China war wasn't welcome.

As per the March 17, 1979 Politburo meeting Yuri Andrapov was already aware that at some point the USSR was going to wind up needing to send troops by stating:

Therefore, I believe that we can suppress a revolution in Afghanistan only with the aid of our bayonets...”
Do you honestly think an empire built on the corpses of tens of millions, particularly within their territory, and the millions more they forcibly displaced long before they invaded Afghanistan were apprehensive about invading either Afghanistan or Pakistan?

The Afghan people increasingly did not support the soviet allied government and they wanted those elements of their society out of power. However, as Yuri Andrapov himself confirmed in the meeting:

under no circumstances can we lose Afghanistan.”

Andrei Gromyko reiterates the same position during the meeting stating:

...if we lose Afghanistan now and it turns against the Soviet Union, this will result in a sharp setback to our foreign policy.”

There wasn't any doubt they'd eventually invade since it was obvious, if you read the related documentation, even they acknowledged anger towards the soviets was growing and the soviets didn't intend on backing off and leaving peacefully.

During that same meeting Ponomarev recommended that the USSR:

should send around 500 persons into Afghanistan in the capacity as advisors and specialists. These comrades must all know what to do.”

Kirilenko approved of the move by stating:

I think that we should accede to the proposal of Comrade Ustinov in connection with assistance to the Afghan army in over-coming the difficulties that it has encountered by means of the forces of our military units.

Eventually the proposition was agreed to and signed off by both Andrapov and Soviet General Staff Ogarkov
Wilson Center Digital Archive

This was the beginning of their invasion and the very troops sent to “protect” Amin were the ones that carried out his assassination as orchestrated by the USSR.

This is confirmed by a personal memorandum Andropov (who would become the next Secretary General of the CPSU) wrote to Brezhnev (the Secretary General of the CPSU at the time) in December 1979 where he outlines the plot to overthrow Hafizullah Amin who he stated had become a danger to Soviet influence in Afghanistan citing that things were getting worse for them since the death of Nur Muhammed Taraki and they'd been in contact with anti-Amin Afghan Communists who were going to setup a “new party” and “state organs” (i.e. a puppet government) but required direct Soviet military involvement which Andropov approved of stating that the USSR had:

...two battalions stationed in Kabul and there is the capability of rendering such assistance. It appears that this is entirely sufficient for a successful operation. But, as a precautionary measure in the event of unforeseen complications, it would be wise to have a military group close to the border.”
Wilson Center Digital Archive

Just as importantly we simply could not allow Muslims in a neighboring state to be slaughtered by the USSR. Even with our support around 1.5 million Afghans died we simply stuck up for our principles and culture by aiding the Mujahideen in a neighboring country.

I'm very proud of everyone that fought to crush the Soviet Union and Pakistan would have been far better off today had Lt. Gen (retd) Hamid Gul had been made COAS following the tragic demise of Gen. Zia Ul Haq who was Pakistan's greatest General and possibly it's greatest leader since Liaqat Ali Khan was PM.

Pakistan's current problems are completely unrelated to that war. Our issues stem from poor choices made by Musharraf and subsequent civilian governments post 2001 (i.e. allowing NATO transit or at least not stopping it by 2003). But that's another issue all together.

and 1 muslim soldier = 10 kafir soldier is also not a myth:rofl::rofl: you have proved it time and again

That's no myth and Pakistan has proven it time and again.

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What a joke.

You never took Lahore and were beaten back quickly:

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While Pakistan's army was all the way to Keshangarh Fort:
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Russian always wanted acess to warm water and Pakistan was the way
 
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Balkanization of pak would have happened.

Dont know.no clue. Maybe we still would have survived,
 
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Dont know.no clue. Maybe we still would have survived,
No way we would have survived, USA was so serious about defeating USSR through Afghan Mujahideens that they offered us F-16 which was the tip of their spear at that time. Even if USSR would have come close to defeating the Mujahideens USA would somehow have found a reason to jump in directly and trigger a world war which again would have lead to Pakistan's destruction.
 
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If usa would have jumped in directly how it would have desroyed us?
No way we would have survived, USA was so serious about defeating USSR through Afghan Mujahideens that they offered us F-16 which was the tip of their spear at that time. Even if USSR would have come close to defeating the Mujahideens USA would somehow have found a reason to jump in directly and trigger a world war which again would have lead to Pakistan's destruction.
 
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If usa would have jumped in directly how it would have desroyed us?
2 super powers fighting on our soil you imagine yourself what would be happening. USA used Pakistan to launch an attack on Talibans, they only used our routes and few bases and the results we are seeing till this day. When USA is getting ready to leave we are cleaning the mess they created. USA invaded Iraq to free it from Saddam and now what has happened? There is a saying that perfectly answers your question and I quote "Do hathioon ki larai me kuchli sirf ghas jati ha".
 
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2 super powers fighting on our soil you imagine yourself what would be happening. USA used Pakistan to launch an attack on Talibans, they only used our routes and few bases and the results we are seeing till this day. When USA is getting ready to leave we are cleaning the mess they created. USA invaded Iraq to free it from Saddam and now what has happened? There is a saying that perfectly answers your question and I quote "Do hathioon ki larai me kuchli sirf ghas jati ha".
This afghan war that usa fougth was diff from the soviet war. In this war usa's intention from getgo was to destroy pakistan as well.

What we see happening in iraq now , i saw a very old video few months back,google urself, called iraq quagmire by dick chenny, the guy had already predicted this happening to iraq in 99 i think, this is the year video says(plz see urself).
So it was known by usa already.

As of usa soviet war, well yes what u are saying cud have been possible cuz at the end bases used wud have been ours. But what if we refused usa our bases, usa cudnt have attacked us back then. Wasnt possible? No?
 
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But what if we refused usa our bases, usa cudnt have attacked us back then. Wasnt possible? No?
What I have understood is that you are questioning the possibility if we had refused US our bases? Well in that case USA would have somehow pull India in and then using India as a base attacked us and support mujahideen simultaneously. Well this is what I think you may disagree.
 
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What I have understood is that you are questioning the possibility if we had refused US our bases? Well in that case USA would have somehow pull India in and then using India as a base attacked us and support mujahideen simultaneously. Well this is what I think you may disagree.
Yes u understood my question right. India wud never have allowrd bases knowing indias relationship with russia. U know right it was soviet that had helped india break bangladesh.
Secondly,we wud have not given usa jets overfly rights, the ones coming from eéndia
 
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India wud never have allowrd bases knowing indias relationship with russia. U know right it was soviet that had helped india break bangladesh.
Secondly,we wud have not given usa jets overfly rights, the ones coming from eéndia
USA would not have asked for Indian bases. The sole purpose of India from day one was to disintegrate Pakistan, they would have urged India to wage a war against Pakistan and given guarantee that USA wont interfere. So an Indian attack backed by Soviets would have meant Pakistan would have been wiped off. Then with clear ground they could have used any means to get weapons to mujahideens. Even if this was not possible they would have bombed Pakistan to get weapons in Afghanistan. Post 9/11 Pakistan gave a hint that they wont support USA in Afghanistan so in return George Bush said we would bomb Pakistan back to stone age and then attack Afghanistan through Pakistan.
 
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Nothing much wouldn't happen...

Soviet Union dissoluted in 91.It'd mean Russian Fighters would have enough Air to Air Fights and some border shellings for fun.but then, they'd left Afghanistan anyway..
 
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The USSR was a major source of economic and military AID for India

false... take this from me... i am socialist.

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if the soviets and the afghan government of dr. najibullah had succeeded in repelling qaeda and taliban...

1. lot of wars would not have occurred, included the libya and syria wars of 2011.

2. i would have been the successor of carlos ( the jackal ). :cheers: :enjoy:
 
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