What will a secular pakistan look like?

[A.Rafay]

We can have a secular system and government but mindset of people will not adapt to the change rightaway, it can take decades.

 

[qamar1990]

It would disintegrate.

very good point,
"is islam really keeping pakistan together?"
shall we open a thread about it?

 

[shuntmaster]

whats there to look at?
they are in the same situation as us if not worst.

Look what they were in 1971 and what they are now and compare it with Pakistan.. They are doing quite well in HDI..

 

[qamar1990]

We can have a secular system and government but mindset of people will not adapt to the change rightaway, it can take decades.

people don't need to change.
we need a government in place that will garuntee the rights of every person weather he is christian, muslims, shia muslim, atheist , hindu or sikh.

 

[FaujHistorian]

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how does secularism ensure [prosperity]?
we could become an economic power by staying the same as well, can't we?

See my response to SS above. Also learn some good values from your adopted country.

Read what your new homeland's founding fathers did 250+ years ago that the country is now attracting investment of money and brains from all over the world.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

Bharati "scum" as you put has no intention of cleaning up your shit-hole of a country.
We wouldn't touch you with a flagpole, get it through your skull my dear troll.

Yet you still come here to defecate openly on this forum. Beghairat nasal ke logh hai Bharatis as said by Barkha Dutt.

 

[qamar1990]

Look what they were in 1971 and what they are now and compare it with Pakistan.. They are doing quite well in HDI..

got any charts?

 

[greatone]

Yet you still come here to defecate openly on this forum. Beghairat nasal ke logh hai Bharatis as said by Barkha Dutt.

Ok

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

secular (read inclusive) society combined with export industry means prosperity.

India may not be a good model, but there are plenty of other societies that are inclusive and export oriented. And see if they are prosperous or not.

So let's go beyond India centric discussions.

Thank you

I am just saying secularism does not guranteed sucess. But i support secular Pakistan anyway, madrassas should be regulated and many of them banned.

 

[qamar1990]

Yet you still come here to defecate openly on this forum. Beghairat nasal ke logh hai Bharatis as said by Barkha Dutt.

yara chad ney paran lol

I am just saying secularism is not guranteed of sucess.

thats 100% true

 

[shuntmaster]

got any charts?

Try this > List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/Country-Profiles/BGD.pdf
There is plenty of information on the web. Google it..

 

[Indischer]

India is secular and still shitiest and poorest country in the world. Secular Pakistan mean equal rights for every citizen and Islam to be kept away from politics, nothing more.

We are still a Socialist, Secular Republic.Our poor growth record right from independence upto the 90s had nothing to do with Secularism and everything to do with socialism. Why are you mixing two unrelated concepts?

 

[qamar1990]

See my response to SS above. Also learn some good values from your adopted country.

Read what your new homeland's founding fathers did 250+ years ago that the country is now attracting investment of money and brains from all over the world.

yes but the united states didn't become an economic powerhouse by being secular, maybe you don't know american history quite well lol.

 

[M. Sarmad]

It would disintegrate.

Yes , Pakistan would definitely disintegrate , if our pseudo-educated youth (home and abroad) continues supporting Islamists(directly or indirectly) ....... Our only chance is separation of church from the state and putting Mullahs back to their original Ouqat (or sending them back to Arabia)

 

[RAMPAGE]

well is it possible to get rid blasphemy laws?

Well that'll never happen.Only those with proper evidence against them should be prosecuted.

and have complete religious freedom?

Religious freedom is guaranteed by the Pakistani constitution.

complete freedom of speech even against islam?

The people who invented the term had definition in mind which was different from the one you and I are familiar with.