What is possibility of a potential war between US and Pakistan?

[harpoon]

Yes, the NVA are far more disciplined and organized than the Afghan Mujaheddin. By the way, there was no Taliban at the time, there was just the Mujaheddin.

That lack of discipline and organization within the Afghan Mujaheddin was the reason why Afghanistan has been in constant civil war after the Soviets left.

I wouldn't say which one is better or inferior. I'd say both of the forces fought for their respective causes, albeit not an honorable way from the Afghans, and they had their reasons. But the Afghans certainly are fine warriors. They even kicked out the British invasion. And you know who their backers were? Ho!

Kindly explain?

 

[Zabaniyah]

each of the above mentioned factor becomes relevant when the us wants to commit boots on the ground...how about if they decide, "nah...we ll just bomb these blokes with our f-18, b-2s and tomahawks "? still the ak-47s you mentioned will be useful....?

i dont think the us will ever invade pakistan..except when a big attack is directly traced to pakistan, but saying us is afraid of pakistan is the craziest joke one can imagine....

The US has something called Rules of Engagement. As of now, there isn't enough reasoning to invade Pakistan. And it certainly won't be in the interests of India!

 

[Paan Singh]

America won't go to war with Pakistan for a number of reasons:

Troops Shortage: To take America will easily need over 0.5 million men along with their supplies/Tanks/Artillery/Aircraft, etc. Which would be impractical. Moving such huge numbers half-way across the world is expensive business. The American economy already strained by the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot sustain such a large military offensive.

Point of entry: To attack Pakistan, the Americans need a point of entry. China and Iran will not provide it to the Americans. Afghanistan is landlocked, so the Americans can't move 0.5 million troops along with Tanks/Artillery through there. India is a possibility however, allowing the Americans to land in India will hardly go unnoticed. Allowing us time to prepare our defences and play diplomacy.

The PA Factor: Pakistan is not Afghanistan or Iraq, it has a well-established and professional military who's operational commitment has been lauded by a number of military historians and professionals. Chuck Yeager himself said that: "The level of commitment of the men of Pak Army is a deterrent in itself". Not only are our soldiers committed, but they are also armed to the teeth with highly dependable weaponry.

When in Pakistan, buy an AK-47: One of the best and worst thing about Pakistan is that EVERYONE has a semi-automatic assault rifle laying about at home. Whereas this might cause problems in preventing terrorism in normal days, in the case of an American attack, it means that raising a militia will take minutes if not seconds. These militias may add to the fighting strength of the PA if needed or defend their own towns/cities.

Unpopularity of America: Only about 11% of Pakistani don't believe that America is Pakistan's enemy, but it is not necessary that they should also hold a positive view of America, they just said that America is not our enemy. Quit loading things. Which means that if the Americans attack, they will not be welcomed by cheering civilians like in Iraq or Afghanistan. On the contrary, it will be a very horrifying welcome.

The China Factor: China is "Flexing it's muscles and preparing to become the next superpower", these are the word of an American journalists who's work I read in 2008. If America does attack Pakistan, it will be China's golden opportunity to dethrone America and become the superpower itself without even lifting a finger. In an on-going war, all they will have to ensure is that we do not run out of ammo and we will just be serving their interests while fighting for ourselves. Should the shyte really hit the fan. The Chinese may also choose to intervene as in Korea. Should that happen, then American forces in Pakistan will have to prepare for a massive surrender, a hasty retreat or a massacre.

Above stated are only some of the reasons that come to my mind that will discourage America from attacking Pakistan. Being short on time, I cannot jot down any more(for now).

remove china factor..i can bet,they will support with words and morally...it even cant be assured

 

[Zabaniyah]

Kindly explain?

This is quite a well known painting.

First Anglo-Afghan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Anglo-Afghan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Brits withdrew twice.

Afghanistan has often been known as the graveyard of empires.

Even Soviet officers admitted that those Afghans don't go easy.

 

[ali.ali]

Pakistan is peaceful country And US make a something rules to PAK..........

 

[rockstarIN]

This is quite a well known painting.

First Anglo-Afghan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Anglo-Afghan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Brits withdrew twice.

Afghanistan has often been known as the graveyard of empires.

Even Soviet officers admitted that those Afghans don't go easy.

You can defeat a nation, but you can't occupy them if the people are against it, be it Afgan or any other nation. Else you have to kill everybody.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You can defeat a nation, but you can't occupy them if the people are against it, be it Afgan or any other nation. Else you have to kill everybody.

That is true...

 

[LeGenD]

These kinds of threads make no sense at all. Time and again, this topic has been discussed in this forum. Yet people continue to make these silly threads.

Their is no possibility of war between US and Pakistan. Reasons are obvious:

• Pakistan has been a long-term US ally and we have no ambitions for challenging US interests.
• US is engaged in WOT; several fronts already, and has some economic issues to deal with.

Not only that if you look at the american press and propaganda they are behaving like a spurned woman when they talk about Pakistan its army or the ISI. If they could destroy us they would have done so along time ago

And why would US want to destroy us? Use your brain.

If US wanted to destroy us, it would have done so in our most vulnerable moments.

 

[fd24]

These kinds of threads make no sense at all. Time and again, this topic has been discussed in this forum. Yet people continue to make these silly threads.

Their is no possibility of war between US and Pakistan. Reasons are obvious:

• Pakistan has been a long-term US ally and we have no ambitions for challenging US interests.
• US is engaged in WOT; several fronts already, and has some economic issues to deal with.

And why would US want to destroy us? Use your brain.

If US wanted to destroy us, it would have done so in our most vulnerable moments.

Do you really believe all that you have said. America wants to contain China. They are doing that in part by helping/interfering india. America is controlled by Israel which does not want any muslim country to have nukes or be in the ascendancy. America may not want to destroy pakistan but they certainly want a weak and compliant pakistan to do their bidding.

However I agree with you there is no chance of a fully out and out war between pakistan and america. Americans are cowards and allthough they could destroy pakistan they would suffer unacceptable casulties simple as that

 

[Developereo]

Do you really believe all that you have said. America wants to contain China. They are doing that in part by helping/interfering india. America is controlled by Israel which does not want any muslim country to have nukes or be in the ascendancy. Ameriuca may not want to destroy pakistan but they certainly want a weak and compliant pakistan to do their bidding.

Absolutely spot on!

 

[LeGenD]

Do you really believe all that you have said. America wants to contain China. They are doing that in part by helping/interfering india. America is controlled by Israel which does not want any muslim country to have nukes or be in the ascendancy. America may not want to destroy pakistan but they certainly want a weak and compliant pakistan to do their bidding.

USA understands that Pakistan has excellent relationship with China. Therefore, USA has chosen an alternative for the said purpose; India. India also has reasonable economic and military potential for this job.

However I agree with you there is no chance of a fully out and out war between pakistan and america. Americans are cowards and allthough they could destroy pakistan they would suffer unacceptable casulties simple as that

Dude! Seriously, you have no knowledge of US military power. If it goes all out against any country; God help that country.

Their won't be unacceptable casualties on the US side as you think. Such is the technological gap between them and Islamic countries in general.

 

[fd24]

USA understands that Pakistan has excellent relationship with China. Therefore, USA has chosen an alternative; India for the said purpose.


Dude! Seriously, you have no knowledge of US military power. If it goes all out against any country; God help that country.

Their won't be unacceptable casualties on the US side as you think. Such is the technological gap between them and Islamic countries in general.

So why dont they just press the magic button sort out iraq, afghanistan etc.

 

[LeGenD]

So why dont they just press the magic button sort out iraq, afghanistan etc.

Do not mention Iraq. US has clearly won in Iraq.

1. Captured the entire country in 21 days.
2. Dismantled Saddam's regime.
3. Executed Saddam and killed his sons.
4. Defeated the Al-Qaeda network in Iraq.
5. Controlled Iraqi resistance.
6. Set a stage for unified Iraqi govenment.
7. Withdrew is major combat forces from Iraq after all the major objectives have been met.

This is an example of absolute victory.

In case of Afghanistan;

Obama has different objectives. He is more interested in ending OEF then solving the issue of Afghanistan. In addition, economic issues have taken priority. Bad luck.

Also, US never went all out in these nations.

Want me to provide statistics of full US military might?

 

[below_freezing]

Do not mention Iraq. US has clearly won in Iraq.

1. Captured the entire country in 21 days.
2. Dismantled Saddam's regime.
3. Executed Saddam and killed his sons.
4. Defeated the Al-Qaeda network in Iraq.
5. Controlled Iraqi resistance.
6. Set a stage for unified Iraqi govenment.
7. Withdrew is major combat forces from Iraq after all the major objectives have been met.

This is an example of absolute victory.

In case of Afghanistan;

Obama has different objectives. He is more interested in ending OEF then solving the issue of Afghanistan. In addition, economic issues have taken priority. Bad luck.

Also, US never went all out in these nations.

Want me to provide statistics of full US military might?

Yeah, 3000 planes, more than the entire fighter inventory of the US air force today, was downed in Vietnam.

That's the US going all in. You don't bring 3000+ planes (and lose 3000 of them) if you're not going all in. They failed. End of story. Yes, that's a different era and the difference between Vietnam and today is like the difference between horse cavalry days and Vietnam, but it is still a reminder of what a hardcore disciplined army with comparable weapons can do to an invading US military.

With the kill ratios of the Vietnamese pilots, if they had carriers, they would've been bombing Hawaii and Los Angeles in no time.

 

[fd24]

Do not mention Iraq. US has clearly won in Iraq.

1. Captured the entire country in 21 days.
2. Dismantled Saddam's regime.
3. Executed Saddam and killed his sons.
4. Defeated the Al-Qaeda network in Iraq.
5. Controlled Iraqi resistance.
6. Set a stage for unified Iraqi govenment.
7. Withdrew is major combat forces from Iraq after all the major objectives have been met.

This is an example of absolute victory.

In case of Afghanistan;

Obama has different objectives. He is more interested in ending OEF then solving the issue of Afghanistan. In addition, economic issues have taken priority. Bad luck.

Also, US never went all out in these nations.

Want me to provide statistics of full US military might?

Iraq has a popn of 20 mil and afghan about 10 mill. both countries were victims of UN sanctions to some degree or other. No comparison to pakistan. You can say what you want but iraq its arguable whether they have achieved what their aims were, they didnt mean for iran to have the influence it has in Iraq. And afghanistan make whatever excuse u want americans are leaving with their tale between their legs