What is leading Indian army's rethink of its typically inelastic position on Siachin?

[Battlion25]

India is and has always been the one to attack Pakistan. In 1971 they desired to used their conventional advantages destroy Pakistan once and for all, and had the US not intervened as the Soviets were helping India, that would have happened.

India still has fantasies of capturing Lahore and Multan, "limited" war by capturing large chunks of Sindh and South Punjab - just recently they officially threatened to capture Pakistan-held Kashmir. Thus, Pakistan has made it clear that it will vaporise any Indian formation that crosses its red line. This was the strategy of NATO in the cold war.

Now that India has decided to pick fights with China - a country their own size - things have changed.

However, India will never attack China and Pakistan will never attack India first. The one to start a war will be India and their Cold Start Doctrine (though I hear they have replaced this with something new)

Never go full retarded..

This Indian expert says the real ground reality... No exaggerations is needed here..
INDIA HAS NEVER BEATEN PAKISTAN IN ANY WAR - Dr Pravin Sawhney

 

[Vapnope]

Nope

Indians positions at Siachen are far away from KKH. They can't threaten it Other than boosting on internet Indian occupation of Siachen doesn't achieve much

Pakistan has effectively checkmate India on Siachen limiting it to frozen high posts with no where to move forward

If siachin was not important, PA would have not gone for Kargil. I agree that it is costly to station troops in Siachin but it is also dangerous if Indians continue to retain heights.

It has to be weapons Indian military can use on their predominantly Russian combat platforms

So these are plug and play weapons? You bring in a C7 and plug it into an MKI, right? Or give me an example which american armament can be installed on MKI and mirages overnight.

Get out of 80s dear, it 21st century and on ground Indian army is not in position to go on offense, because if they do then they will allow China to cut them off from another from making them sandwich between Pakistan and China militaries.

This is what i said that if you minus china from the equation, India can mount an offensive but since Chinese are threatening DBO, India can no longer launch an offensive on KKh.

 

[Areesh]

If siachin was not important, PA would have not gone for Kargil. I agree that it is costly to station troops in Siachin but it is also dangerous if Indians continue to retain heights.

PA did Kargil to avenge SIachen. To inflict pain and to force them from vacating Siachen

That doesn't mean Siachen is some sort of threat to KKH or even Dansum or Khaplu

It is practically not possible for Indians to launch offense from those peaks of Siachen

Nature doesn't allow that. If somehow they survive nature then Pakistani troops west of Saltoro ridge would eliminate whatever of invading Indian troops would remain

KKH is far away from Siachen. There is no artillery that Indians can use from Siachen to hit KKH

Even it is not possible for Indians to occupy Dansum that is right west of Saltoro and is HQ of 323 brigade of PA

Please do some research

Only chance Indians had of using Siachen to launch offence into GB would be IF Indians would have occupied Dansum and peaks around it back in April 1984

That is long gone now. Indians now can simply sit at Siachen and keep sitting

This is what i said that if you minus china from the equation, India can mount an offensive but since Chinese are threatening DBO, India can no longer launch an offensive on KKh.

Bhai check the distance of KKH from Siachen

Even taking China out of equation how can Indians threaten KKH?

They going to fly over all the peaks and valleys and invade KKH?

Please check the map

 

[Imran Khan]

we can trust a black cobra snake but not indians

 

[Tomcats]

Honestly some may think this is exaggeration but it is not just ground reality combined nothing could overcome us not even NATO It would be logisitcally impossible to overcome us combined including our stragetic depths and not to forget Pakistan's stragetic depth goes far deeper then just one country but far far deeper into the Eurasian continent

Why stop there, our strategic depth goes as far as Bradford really...

 

[Titanium100]

If siachin was not important, PA would have not gone for Kargil. I agree that it is costly to station troops in Siachin but it is also dangerous if Indians continue to retain heights.

So these are plug and play weapons? You bring in a C7 and plug it into an MKI, right? Or give me an example which american armament can be installed on MKI and mirages overnight.

This is what i said that if you minus china from the equation, India can mount an offensive but since Chinese are threatening DBO, India can no longer launch an offensive on KKh.

Take china completely out of occasion they can't mount to anything as the stragetic signifiance has shifted to us.. We have stragetic depth and regional advantage over them now

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

This vital statement somehow evaded the radars of many all over the Pakistani internet; mainstream media in Pakistan is a lost cause anyway. The same Indian army which had scuttled efforts of Pakistani and Indian political leaderships to reach a settlement on the Siachin dispute (demilitarization) in the past is now expressing a desire to demilitarize the Siachin glacier. Indian military at no cost wanted to vacate from the Siachin glacier (and adjacent territories) given their strategic significance. What has led to this change of heart, reevaluation of the strategic calculus?

- Realization after wargaming scenarios where joint Pak-Sino operations cut off the Indian troops in Siachin?

- Desire to limit the probability of collaboration between the Pakistani and Chinese militaries in a future conflict in the North by eliminating at least one point of friction in the North?

- Reorienting manpower locked up in high altitudes of Siachin to more vulnerable LAC, MacMohan Line borders?

- Economic pressures of sustaining military pressures all along the Northern frontier and Siachin simultaneously?

- A combination of all the above factors?

An interesting thing to note is that many people have forgotten about a statement given by FM SMQ and reported by radio Pakistan back in 2020 when Pakistan was still fuming Indian unilateral actions in IoJK. The PLA had already completed its incursions into territory Indian either held or previously had access to in Laddakh. It is very interesting to note that the said link is nowhere to be found on RP's website anymore. This also coincides with the same time NSA, FM, DGMO, ISI chief were holding some meetings.

Indian army chief might know something we don't.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291045197804122115

the old fart you choose to quote forgot mentioning in the video about the supposed western demarcation and that the area was demilitarized and indian assault on it was made purely on a speculation attributed to a movement.Today they wanna go back.

you are right - the goal is not to fight just to pretend

All it takes deployment of American air and naval power to get China's and Pakistan's attention

two front wars against India are a pipe dream

Mr, nathunlal bob vagena, US also doesn't want a two front war with Russia and China, so it wouldn't step in against China till things are hot with Russia..Thats why your Chief is pissing in his pants,, he knows US wont depute anything against China in case sh!t hits the fan on Ukraine border.

 

[Saudang]

They won't eat couple of nukes for the gangus tell me something else

and the chinis will take few nukes for iron brother from lala land ?

 

[peagle]

This vital statement somehow evaded the radars of many all over the Pakistani internet; mainstream media in Pakistan is a lost cause anyway. The same Indian army which had scuttled efforts of Pakistani and Indian political leaderships to reach a settlement on the Siachin dispute (demilitarization) in the past is now expressing a desire to demilitarize the Siachin glacier. Indian military at no cost wanted to vacate from the Siachin glacier (and adjacent territories) given their strategic significance. What has led to this change of heart, reevaluation of the strategic calculus?

- Realization after wargaming scenarios where joint Pak-Sino operations cut off the Indian troops in Siachin?

- Desire to limit the probability of collaboration between the Pakistani and Chinese militaries in a future conflict in the North by eliminating at least one point of friction in the North?

- Reorienting manpower locked up in high altitudes of Siachin to more vulnerable LAC, MacMohan Line borders?

- Economic pressures of sustaining military pressures all along the Northern frontier and Siachin simultaneously?

- A combination of all the above factors?

An interesting thing to note is that many people have forgotten about a statement given by FM SMQ and reported by radio Pakistan back in 2020 when Pakistan was still fuming Indian unilateral actions in IoJK. The PLA had already completed its incursions into territory Indian either held or previously had access to in Laddakh. It is very interesting to note that the said link is nowhere to be found on RP's website anymore. This also coincides with the same time NSA, FM, DGMO, ISI chief were holding some meetings.

Indian army chief might know something we don't.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291045197804122115

This guy is a complete idiot, he is full of hate for Pakistan and continuously slips in half and complete lies whenever he discusses anything to do with Pakistan.

Regarding siachin, this is an old Indian position.
But the biggest news is that the Indian army chief is making political statements, Indian army is getting involved in political matters, something they have tried hard not to do since the creation of India in 1947.

The statement is also designed to show the western masters that India does not want conflict, that they are peace loving, which is pure BS.

 

[SIPRA]

This guy is a complete idiot, ....

He deems himself a great intellectual; but, fundamentally, he is CHSO4 (Chutiyam Sulfate), of first degree.

 

[arjunk]

He deems himself a great intellectual; but, fundamentally, he is CHSO4 (Chutiyam Sulfate), of first degree.

ChSO4*

 

[kursed]

The following is just my opinion:

US, while will not directly intervene, has every reason to support a conflict between India and China. Chinese resources up until now have been relatively free, to be invested into all sorts of public and weapons programs. There’s nothing better than a conflict that keeps dragging on between India and China to divert those resources. Why wouldn’t I want my enemy to waste resources in an unending conflict with someone else, and not prepare against me?

Chinese otoh have a choice. Either they can maintain the offensive posture and keep India from instigating a conflict or enter into a short offensive defensive war and put India into its place like in 1962, in order to deter future hostilities. And if you step back and look at the entire regional scenario, this is where Chinese support for PakMil also comes into play, incl the emphasis on PN. It works as a regional deterrence to Indians over asserting themselves.

If Pakistan wasn’t such an economic basket case, it’d have made the mutual cooperation even better.

While Indians made their bed, rather prematurely when they talked about asserting themselves over what Chinese consider their territory and threatening the regional moves made by them. I doubt this is ending nicely for them, either way.

 

[waz]

You should ask Putin about how he feels about invading Ukraine. For every Afghanistan and South Vietnam there is South Korea, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. I will let you decide whether India belongs in which camp.

Pakistani army generals have more gray matter to make better decisions than the keyboard warriors on the PDF

He feels coy about it remember Georgia? South Korea happened in the 50’s and in 51 the US and Saudi signed the mutual assistance treaty. These old ties the US has kept. There after it has been abysmal.

 

[jupiter2007]

Due to Pakistan’s crippling economy, foreign elements will continue to influence our foreign policy.
Once Pakistan fixed its economy, Pakistan can have independent foreign policy.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

PSyops ........ they will give you all the assurances when China is breathing down on their neck....... All the peace in the world but once the moment is passed they will be back to their original self.....But sadly there are many in higherups who would jump up and down at a chance of shaking these rascal's hands................

Demilitarization in a theatre like Sachin would be nearly irreversible. Attitudes might change but reoccupation would be very difficult.