What does China want?

[Fattyacids]

How does it make territories conquered by Imperial Qing army make it a historical Chinese territory, when territories are being conquered and lost or disintegrating even in 19-20th century.

Retarded question, Qing was crushing revolt within its own empire. Two, any conquered land in history, say Russia's Siberia, naturally become Russia's historical land over the course of time, subjecting to Russia ability to keep the land.

 

[INDIC]

Retarded question, Qing was crushing revolt within its own empire. Two, any conquered land in history, say Russia's Siberia, naturally become Russia's historical land over the course of time, subjecting to Russia ability to keep the land.

Russian Empire also ruled in many parts of East Europe, they don't call it historical Russian land.

 

[armchairPrivate]

飽暖思淫欲，
The Chinese first want a full stomach and warm clothing, then they will come after your women.
飢寒起盜心
The Vietminhs are hungry and cold, so they are stealing land from the Chinese.

 

[he-man]

 

[Aepsilons]

Russian Empire also ruled in many parts of East Europe, they don't call it historical Russian land.

At that archaic reasoning, the Russians have rights to Poland, Estonia, Finland, all of Ukraine, Belarus. As well as Liaodong Peninsula in China. Why stop there, at his reasoning the Spanish have rights to Central and South America.

 

[Fattyacids]

Russian Empire also ruled in many parts of East Europe, they don't call it historical Russian land.

Are you intellectually sound? 1) Russia couldn't keep the land. 2) Russia no longer claims the land, hence they don't call it historical. But Russia is not going to say Siberia is not historically Russia's.

At that archaic reasoning, the Russians have rights to Poland, Estonia, Finland, all of Ukraine, Belarus. As well as Liaodong Peninsula in China. Why stop there, at his reasoning the Spanish have rights to Central and South America.

Fallacy. Spanish couldn't keep Latin America, lost several wars, finally relinquished latin America, much like British gave up most of its colonies.

 

[INDIC]

Are you intellectually sound? 1) Russia couldn't keep the land. 2) Russia no longer claims the land, hence they don't call it historical. But Russia is not going to say Siberia is not historically Russia's.

Does China control any of those territories under your neighbouring country's rule which you claim as 'historical' Chinese land.

 

[Fattyacids]

Does China control any of those territories under your neighbouring country's rule which you claim as 'historical' Chinese land.

Of course, they were vassal. Some smaller islands, there were never any inhabitants, but Chinese were first to discover them.

 

[INDIC]

At that archaic reasoning, the Russians have rights to Poland, Estonia, Finland, all of Ukraine, Belarus. As well as Liaodong Peninsula in China. Why stop there, at his reasoning the Spanish have rights to Central and South America.

Entire China is historical Mongolian land using same bizarre logic. Just wait, I will be told by this Fattyacids that Yuan Dynasty was a Chinese dynasty.

Of course, they were vassal. Some smaller islands, there were never any inhabitants, but Chinese were first to discover them.

Since you said Russia lost East Europe, simply tell me does control those territories in neighbouring countries which you claim as historical Chinese land.

 

[Fattyacids]

Entire China is historical Mongolian land using same bizarre logic. Just wait, I will be told by this Fattyacids that Yuan Dynasty was a Chinese dynasty.

Spare us your dumb argument. When Chinese established its first empire, Mongolian didn't emerge until 1000 year later.

Since you said Russia lost East Europe, simply tell me does control those territories in neighbouring countries which you claim as historical Chinese land.

Are u retarded? Answer is in my previous post.

 

[INDIC]

Spare us your dumb argument. When Chinese established its first empire, Mongolian didn't emerge until 1000 year later.
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You mean this one but why aren't rest of the historical Chinese land part of first united China of 221BC.

 

[tranquilium]

I read the whole thing. To be honest, my opinion is that this is indeed a book written by a western author----one with limited understanding of Chinese culture and mindset. I would also comment on the political naivety, but that may just be a result of author trying to sound "politically correct" for the western audience.

Sigh...to correct the article will frankly involve a thorough discussion on the entire Chinese culture, starting with language barrier between Chinese and English, because what "勿忘国耻" and "Never forget national humiliation" only superficially resemble each other and have completely (in fact, opposite) undertones.

My best recommendation is spend some time in China, or at least learn Chinese. This way, you are at least not looking things through a thick, tinted glass.

 

[Fattyacids]

You mean this one but why aren't rest of the historical Chinese land part of first united China of 221BC.

When you first came into life, you were no more than 5kg.

Over time you grow into a man

Likewise, Chinese empire grow in size, border may change, but the notion of an unitary state had been established.

 

[Aepsilons]

Fallacy. Spanish couldn't keep Latin America, lost several wars, finally relinquished latin America, much like British gave up most of its colonies.

Does not this same argument cover the issue of Arunachal Pradesh, The Senkakus, Taiwan, all of which are outside Chinese administrative control ? I mean in principle -- your side may claim it, but that does not change the ground reality of it being under administrative control by other respective power(s).

 

[Edison Chen]

TL;DR

Please be simple! Thanks!