West Bengal name change to "Bangla" and Bangladesh's national anthem dilemma

[kobiraaz]

And I consider you wrong for Two reasons. One Mujib was secular and no one knew Suhrawardi better than him and He was there during the riot. There cant be any better source.

and Suhrawardi was sidelined from Pakistani politics as he was considered a threat to the unity of Pakistan.

So your allegations against Suhrawardi doesn't make sense.

As Suhrawardi once famously said that " I wont do any Napak things in Pakistan " when Mujib asked him to use muscle to face Muslim league sidelining him.

It doesn't go with his image.

You are discussing history with a bunch of ignorant trolls... God bless!

I cant leave my Bengali brothers alone.

 

[ThaniOruvan]

History tells that Bengalis / Banglas are the native Hindus who lived in the region which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today.

In 1400s a foreign religion spread its filthy tentacles in that region and force converted native hindu banglas to just banglas. I am happy that many proudly call them Banglas, which is originally used to point to bengali hindus, in spite of religion switch. When some one say bengali, India is the first thing which strikes their mind. Others can shout, rant, ramble, tear their clothes off, bang their heads over a wall saying that they are the trademark banglas but truth is big enough to not to be hidden or twisted.

 

[dray]

According to MuJiB Suhrawardi warned Muslim league activists the day before to keep the day peaceful as he was the Head of the Government.

if you can bring any better source than Mujib I will look into it

Rrright! It's like 'I holding a constitutional chair as the head of the state will go out and give provocative fiery speeches to instigate one community against the other, but people should maintain peace. If they can't, then it's everyone else's fault, not mine. Then I will keep the police inactive using my position, but then again, it's not my fault, blame Jinnah, British, or anyone else'.

I cant leave my Bengali brothers alone.

Then go ahead and help to protect the remaining minority Hindu Bengalis in your country who are not considered 'brothers' by your fellow countrymen.

 

[kobiraaz]

History tells that Bengalis / Banglas are the native Hindus who lived in the region which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today.

In 1400s a foreign religion spread its filthy tentacles in that region and force converted native hindu banglas to just banglas. I am happy that many proudly call them Banglas, which is originally used to point to bengali hindus, in spite of religion switch. When some one say bengali, India is the first thing which strikes their mind. Others can shout, rant, ramble, tear their clothes off, bang their heads over a wall saying that they are the trademark banglas but truth is big enough to not to be hidden or twisted.

That is what you don't Get about Bengalis. Bengal was different than rest of India. Do you even know that Hindu Brahmins used to say that whoever Goes to Bengal should do a ritual called Punoshtom to cleanse himself, Every Historians agree than This region treated Aryan culture Harshly.

And the Buddhist Hindu conflict was bloodier than any muslim conquest. go figure

 

[dray]

That is what you don't Get about Bengalis. Bengal was different than rest of India. Do you even know that Hindu Brahmins used to say that whoever Goes to Bengal should do a ritual called Punoshtom to cleanse himself, Every Historians agree than This region treated Aryan culture Harshly.

And the Buddhist Hindu conflict was bloodier than any muslim conquest. go figure

The upper caste segments including Brahmins in Bengal are not exactly adivasis of the land.

 

[kobiraaz]

The upper caste segments including Brahmins in Bengal are not exactly adivasis of the land.

That is what I meant. He indicated that Muslims are foreign and I told him Brahmins are foreigners as well. The Hindu Muslim Bigotry has gotten to much out of our hand

 

[ThaniOruvan]

That is what you don't Get about Bengalis. Bengal was different than rest of India. Do you even know that Hindu Brahmins used to say that whoever Goes to Bengal should do a ritual called Punoshtom to cleanse himself, Every Historians agree than This region treated Aryan culture Harshly.

And the Buddhist Hindu conflict was bloodier than any muslim conquest. go figure

Obviously you are deviating. I told bengali is a terminology used to point to bengali Hindus. After 1400, after forceful conversions the intellectuals of that race today boast that they are the real Bengalis. Truth is real Bengalis are none other than hindus.

All that you told may be true, I won't contradict.

 

[kobiraaz]

Obviously you are deviating. I told bengali is a terminology used to point to bengali Hindus. After 1400, after forceful conversions the intellectuals of that race today boast that they are the real Bengalis. Truth is real Bengalis are none other than hindus.

All that you told may be true, I won't contradict.

The Hindu Sena Dynasty banned Bangla from court and declared that whoever preaches Ramayan and Purana in Bengali are destined to go to hell. অষ্টাদশ পূরাণানি রামস্য চরিতানি চ, ভাষায়ং মানবঃ শ্রুত্বা রৌরবং নরকং গচ্ছেৎ

If you call them Bengali you are insulting Bengalis. Bangla as a language came into Being at the 8th Century when Bengal was Buddhists. The following Sena dynasty who hastily converted these Buddhists into low caste Hindus and imported Brahmins from all over India didn't recognize Bengali.

The muslim sultans reestablished Bangla as one of the court languages and commissioned many writers to write Bengali books sponsored by the Kingdom.

If Bengali means those who speak Bangla, Then I must say you are doing an injustice to a group who have helped it to established as the dominating language.

What I am trying to say is written in this book by dr. dineshchandra sen

 

[ThaniOruvan]

The Hindu Sena Dynasty banned Bangla from court and declared that whoever preaches Ramayan and Purana in Bengali are destined to go to hell. অষ্টাদশ পূরাণানি রামস্য চরিতানি চ, ভাষায়ং মানবঃ শ্রুত্বা রৌরবং নরকং গচ্ছেৎ

If you call them Bengali you are insulting Bengalis. Bangla as a language came into Being at the 8th Century when Bengal was Buddhists. The following Sena dynasty who hastily converted these Buddhists into low caste Hindus and imported Brahmins from all over India didn't recognize Bengali.

The muslim sultans reestablished Bangla as one of the court languages and commissioned many writers to write Bengali books sponsored by the Kingdom.

If Bengali means those who speak Bangla, Then I must say you are doing an injustice to a group who have helped it to established as the dominating language.

What I am trying to say is written in this book by dr. dineshchandra sen

The propaganda they spread to paint Islam all over the bangla tradition is very cunning. Bengalis means Hindus. Everyone else just adapted to the tradition only later.
Bengali buddhists ? Which religion did they follow before Buddhism was found ? Muslims cannot claim things which they can't.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

History tells that Bengalis / Banglas are the native Hindus who lived in the region which are Bengal/Bangla and Bangladesh today.

In 1400s a foreign religion spread its filthy tentacles in that region and force converted native hindu banglas to just banglas. I am happy that many proudly call them Banglas, which is originally used to point to bengali hindus, in spite of religion switch. When some one say bengali, India is the first thing which strikes their mind. Others can shout, rant, ramble, tear their clothes off, bang their heads over a wall saying that they are the trademark banglas but truth is big enough to not to be hidden or twisted.

You are wrong.Most of the people in Bangladesh during the muslim conquest in 13th century were Buddhist rather than Hindu.Most famous Buddhist of that time was Atish Dipankar, who is considered the 2nd Buddhah.We have Buddhist legacy not Hindu.

 

[kobiraaz]

The propaganda they spread to paint Islam all over the bangla tradition is very cunning. Bengalis means Hindus. Everyone else just adapted to the tradition only later.
Bengali buddhists ? Which religion did they follow before Buddhism was found ? Muslims cannot claim things which they can't.

So The propaganda was done by Ray Bahadur Dinesh Chandra Sen? Logic is your second name eh?

Bengali congealed from Magdhi Prakit 1400 years ago and came into todays form 600 years ago. As such when you are talking about Bengalis any prior reference is irrelevant.

The people of thiss area were mostly animist of Dravidian origin.

I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING FROM HINDUS. JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM THEIR OWN MEDICINE WHEN THEY TRY TO TAKE BENGALI FROM OUR MUSLIM IDENTITY

 

[bangali nazi]

why should we care abt a neglected and backward state like west bengal we bangladeshi bangalis are flag bearer of bangla and banglali nationalism we gave our blood for bangla and bangali nationalism in 1952 and 1971 they were slave of british and now slave of indian marwari maharastian and other so bangla is ours tagore is ours nazrul is ours dnt give them a flying f***k let them change their name what ever they want

 

[dray]

You are wrong.Most of the people in Bangladesh during the muslim conquest in 13th century were Buddhist rather than Hindu.Most famous Buddhist of that time was Atish Dipankar, who is considered the 2nd Buddhah.We have Buddhist legacy not Hindu.

In 1905 when Bengal was divided for the first time on religious lines, what percentage of Bengal's population was Buddhists, and what percentage was Hindu? You may try to find out figures for both undivided Bengal, as well as the part that is Bangladesh now.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

In 1905 when Bengal was divided for the first time on religious lines, what percentage of Bengal's population was Buddhists, and what percentage was Hindu? You may try to find out figures for both undivided Bengal, as well as the part that is Bangladesh now.

Buddhist almost became extinct from Bengal as almost all of them converted to Islam in preceding centuries.But there is a small Bengali Buddhist community sill around here in BD.They have a common surname of 'Barua'.

 

[dray]

That is what I meant. He indicated that Muslims are foreign and I told him Brahmins are foreigners as well. The Hindu Muslim Bigotry has gotten to much out of our hand

By that logic entire human race would probably be Africans. The point is, the region of Bengal, Bengali language, and its broad identities were already established before the Muslim invaders came in. However, my motivation to distinguish the people of this region into Bengali and Bangladeshi originates from the fact that we Indian Bengalis are amongst the most liberal thinking, tolerant and cultured people in this region strongly believing and upholding the principles of secularism, sometimes to the extent of being ideological fools, that apart, I find it difficult to associate and share our ethnic identity with the other part that stands on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Besides, there are good number of Bangladeshis, majority in this forum, who rather despise the Bengali identity for being too Hindu-like. So, it is only prudent that we differentiate our identities as the next logical step after partition. 'Bengali' and 'Bangladeshi' are obvious choices.