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"We Need To Be Careful!" - Is India Going To Be The Next China?

Yes, but ask yourself why didn't that happen before? Those countries are all the strongest and closest allies of the US in Asia and their economy/technology landscape rise was also intertwined with the US. So if not for the US Normalising relations with China and bringing China into the Western camp against the Soviet Union then none of those countries would have been allowed to invest in China in the first place and they wouldnt have initiated it either since Communist China allied with the Soviet union was considered a major threat to them back then. In short the US brought China to the fold , normalised and facilitated relations between its East Asian allies and China thus paving the way for US and its allies investing, and moving their factories in China, gave the permanent seat at UN back to PRC away from Taiwan (ROC), all this allowed the inclusion of China in WTO etc , You can't deny the things the US did to bring China into the world order.
Had the US not made the move to cosy up with China and facilitate its inclusion among the West, then there is absolutely no way China could have grown to this extent today. That's a fact not an opinion..
You better study some basic history first, the west was always dreamt about coming to the Chinese market and China didn't allow them, then in 1980's China changed its policy and opened out, long waited foreign businesses just flooded in to fight for a share of this world last major unexploited market. The west never came to China to do a favor, they came here purely out of greed. besides, Hong kong , Taiwan, Singapore are all Chinese dominated regions, they couldn't care less about what the west asked them to do. they are not western colonies like S.Korea and Japan
 
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If there was any smart Pakistani , be it a bacha jamhoora and especially fauji - they would have jumped onto the opportunity when the Nawaz - Vajpayee peace initiatives began and gotten the best deal for Kashmir to settle it. All the worry about losing prestige or elite status via peace with India would be outweighed a hundred fold. Had peace been established then Pakistan would have reaped untold benefits from India’s rise by both latching on but also - lets say 9/11 still happened - the original role envioned by founding fathers for Pakistan as the buffer to India from the troubles in Afg would have been there. Pakistan would never have had to compromise on sovereignty - still could maintain its deterrence but could also provide the main trade conduit to India which it NO longer has any value of today.

But alas, the leadership in Pakistan is self serving - a commando looking for his last glory led Pakistan to disaster in Kargil and kept the perpetual cycle of corruption ongoing through his NRO.

Today - India is best served by treating Pakistan like a hybrid of Libya and Argentina
 
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Keep dreaming.

I don't know if paid shills like you are that good at their jobs or just mentally ill, but in what reality is "China closing its doors to the world"?

 
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Of course India won't be the "Next China", because they are two very different countries.

However, India will be its own thing. It won't be as developed as China but it will grow into a very large economy and great power. The Indian lobby in the US will also become more influential and powerful, probably second to the Jews, and they will use this influence to push the US towards a pro-Indian tilt.

So considering these factors, I do think India will be very influential in the future.
 
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The democrats and republicans of the 90s and 2000s thought China would be an easy place for low cost manufacturing and underestimated it. While it wasted time in the middle east for 20 years, China now is actively trying to challenge US hegemony.

Protectionism never got that far in the US besides Trump.



The Russian oil thing proved how smart their diplomacy is.
china will start losing her business in very near future once manufacturing shifts from them . Nothing is original in china , everything is copied from americans , they cant produce own things by original research .
 
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In the US they do.
Even in India they do, just look at how they've cut Pakistan down to size at every juncture in every decade since the independence. Now Pakistan is a shell of a country ruled by parasitic elite and protected by incompetent military traitors who are on the take from the coalition that also includes India a major contributor.

If there was any smart Pakistani , be it a bacha jamhoora and especially fauji - they would have jumped onto the opportunity when the Nawaz - Vajpayee peace initiatives began and gotten the best deal for Kashmir to settle it. All the worry about losing prestige or elite status via peace with India would be outweighed a hundred fold. Had peace been established then Pakistan would have reaped untold benefits from India’s rise by both latching on but also - lets say 9/11 still happened - the original role envioned by founding fathers for Pakistan as the buffer to India from the troubles in Afg would have been there. Pakistan would never have had to compromise on sovereignty - still could maintain its deterrence but could also provide the main trade conduit to India which it NO longer has any value of today.

But alas, the leadership in Pakistan is self serving - a commando looking for his last glory led Pakistan to disaster in Kargil and kept the perpetual cycle of corruption ongoing through his NRO.

Today - India is best served by treating Pakistan like a hybrid of Libya and Argentina
Except for the ultra right-wing hindutva ideology would have thrown a spanner into it sooner or later. The domestic compulsions in India would have outweighed whatever peace dividend that would have been had through a settlement. Hindutva ideology to flourish needs a Pakistani bogeyman.
 
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china will start losing her business in very near future once manufacturing shifts from them . Nothing is original in china , everything is copied from americans , they cant produce own things by original research .
lol, when? do you know how long it takes to build a complete global supply chain?

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china will start losing her business in very near future once manufacturing shifts from them . Nothing is original in china , everything is copied from americans , they cant produce own things by original research .
OMG. Who is saying these words? Bollywood film director?

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OMG. Who is saying these words? Bollywood film director?

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China surpassing US in key innovation metric and evolving from ‘imitator’, Washington report says​

  • Global market share of American firms and its allies at risk ‘in most high-value-added, advanced industries’ vital to national prosperity and security
  • Think tank study finds China’s innovation in 2020 was 139 per cent of its US equivalent, up from 78 per cent in 2010


Published: 6:50am, 24 Jan, 2023

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A robot makes coffee at a hi-tech fair in Shenzhen, China. The report by the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation looked at 22 innovation-related indicators. Photo: Xinhua

China has often been dismissed by industrialised nations as a country that is adept at copying but weak at creating, crippled by a memorisation-based education system, excessive respect for authority and a tendency to steal intellectual property. But a study released on Monday finds that China has surpassed the US in one key measure of innovation and is making major strides in another.

The report by the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a non-partisan Washington-based think tank focused on US science and technology policy, found that China’s innovation in 2020 was 139 per cent of its US equivalent, up from 78 per cent in 2010.

And based on another metric accounting for the comparative size of their economies and populations, China’s innovation output was three-quarters of US levels, up from 58 per cent in 2010.

“China is evolving from an imitator to an innovator, following a path blazed by its Asian Tiger neighbours – but at a much larger scale, with far greater geopolitical consequences,” said Robert Atkinson, the foundation’s president, who co-authored the report along with research assistant Ian Clay.

China has already displayed great potential for global leadership in several key areas, including supercomputers, space exploration, artificial intelligence, quantum computing and high-speed rail.

“Its innovation capabilities now threaten the global market share of firms from the United States and allied nations in most high-value-added, advanced industries that are important to US prosperity and security,” Atkinson added.

History abounds with developing countries hitting a roadblock, sometimes dubbed the “middle-income trap”, in their bid to join the world’s wealthiest and most technologically advanced economies.
If China with its vast size and population can join that elite club, it would upend global geopolitics, supply chains and power balances for decades, according to the report, titled “Wake Up, America: China Is Overtaking the United States in Innovation Capacity”.

The cost for the US or other advanced nations that lose their hi-tech competitive edge is significantly more consequential than losing ground in low-skill industries given the loss of good-paying jobs, the national security risks and how difficult it is to regain ground after falling behind. Making a single dynamic random access memory semiconductor, for instance, entails more than 1,000 steps.

China accelerated its innovation push under President Xi Jinping, crystallised with the 2015 release of its “Made in China 2025” report. While a blueprint for national advancement is laudable, the foundation said, China’s protectionist and “filching” policies, forced technology transfers, import barriers and subsidised national champion and state-owned companies were less so.

However, the analysis focuses on the 2010-2020 period and does not reflect programmes, funding and initiatives put in place by the administration of President Joe Biden, including the Chips and Science Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

“We have already targeted spending on boosting education and workforce, things that China has been spending on that led to these trends,” said Kellee Wicker, director of the Wilson Centre’s science and technology innovation programme. “So I wouldn’t pick up sticks and move to a different country just yet.”

“They’re saying they’re kind of eating our lunch,” Wicker added of the report. “But that’s only a current trend, and we’re in the middle of taking a brand new tack toward really boosting the stuff they’re talking about.”
Another challenge involving China, analysts said, is that its politics often drive tech policy, and Beijing can be adept at hiding weaknesses and avoiding transparency. This makes it difficult to assess how far ahead or behind the US is in various key areas relative to China. In addition, high youth unemployment rates and Covid-related disruptions have jolted Chinese companies and universities, as they have in the US.

“The US also needs to prioritise thinking through its own technology policies, both from an investment standpoint at home and making sure that we do stay ahead,” said Alexandra Seymour, a technology and national security analyst at the Centre for a New American Security and former Defence Department official.

“I don’t think we’ve suffered from complacency, but we have had an awakening that this is something we need to prioritise.”

Western leaders and technology experts have a long history of underestimating China. Kings College London professor Kerry Brown wrote in The Diplomat in 2014 that Beijing could pour all the money it wanted into R&D parks and churn out legions of engineers, but would stumble in creating globally innovative companies. “The system that China currently has still rewards conformity,” he wrote.

And former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina said: “Although the Chinese are a gifted people, innovation and entrepreneurship are not their strong suits. Their society, as well as their education system, is too homogenised and controlled to encourage imagination and risk-taking.”

Measuring innovation is an inexact science, and China – like Japan and Taiwan before it – has been accused of filing massive numbers of patents for bragging rights and to make it more difficult for foreign competitors to develop or implement their own inventions, utility models or designs.

The foundation examined 22 innovation-related indicators between 2010 and 2020, including venture capital, patents and the amount of value added in advanced industries. It concluded China was making significant gains by almost every indicator.

China’s strongest inroads came in the number and quality of science and engineering articles, the number of patents worldwide related to a particular innovation – known as an international patent family – and the fees it received for its patents and other advances.

By 2020, China tallied more international patent families than the US and published more scientific articles in all fields surveyed, other than in geology, atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

China accounted for 39.6 per cent of the 1.7 million patents granted globally in 2021, the World Economic Forum reported in December, followed by North America with 19.9 per cent and Europe with 11.8 per cent.
But the picture is mixed. China’s research was less influential than American research in every field other than mathematics and statistics, the report said. It has also been weaker than the US in translating innovation to high R&D industries and hi-tech exports.

The report further identified several social trends creating headwinds for China, such as its middle-income status, rapidly ageing population and declining economic productivity.

“I’m still not sold that we’re in these dire straits,” said Wicker, referring to the situation facing the US. “But I do think that, even if we’re not in these dire straits yet, the trends are clear. We should take it seriously.”

 
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But. But.... China does help many countries develop manufacturing.


If you want to see more. I can even provide a list... Just to prove how ridiculous your logic is.
 
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If there was any smart Pakistani , be it a bacha jamhoora and especially fauji - they would have jumped onto the opportunity when the Nawaz - Vajpayee peace initiatives began and gotten the best deal for Kashmir to settle it. All the worry about losing prestige or elite status via peace with India would be outweighed a hundred fold. Had peace been established then Pakistan would have reaped untold benefits from India’s rise by both latching on but also - lets say 9/11 still happened - the original role envioned by founding fathers for Pakistan as the buffer to India from the troubles in Afg would have been there. Pakistan would never have had to compromise on sovereignty - still could maintain its deterrence but could also provide the main trade conduit to India which it NO longer has any value of today.

But alas, the leadership in Pakistan is self serving - a commando looking for his last glory led Pakistan to disaster in Kargil and kept the perpetual cycle of corruption ongoing through his NRO.

Today - India is best served by treating Pakistan like a hybrid of Libya and Argentina
I don't think, the time is still lost. India at the end of the day, will certainly need the land route to Central Asia, which passes through Pakistan.

I kind of hoped that, when Imran Khan came to power this might happen. Alas it didn't and there are so many factors attached, so he can't be held responsible.

Maybe someday it might, who knows? I mean England and France fought a 100yr war
 
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I don't think, the time is still lost. India at the end of the day, will certainly need the land route to Central Asia, which passes through Pakistan.

I kind of hoped that, when Imran Khan came to power this might happen. Alas it didn't and there are so many factors attached, so he can't be held responsible.

Maybe someday it might, who knows? I mean England and France fought a 100yr war
In next 5 to 10 years Pakistan will give way to central asia for India , economic benefits will come to Pakistan by cooperation with India .
 
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That's Mark
If there was any smart Pakistani , be it a bacha jamhoora and especially fauji - they would have jumped onto the opportunity when the Nawaz - Vajpayee peace initiatives began and gotten the best deal for Kashmir to settle it. All the worry about losing prestige or elite status via peace with India would be outweighed a hundred fold. Had peace been established then Pakistan would have reaped untold benefits from India’s rise by both latching on but also - lets say 9/11 still happened - the original role envioned by founding fathers for Pakistan as the buffer to India from the troubles in Afg would have been there. Pakistan would never have had to compromise on sovereignty - still could maintain its deterrence but could also provide the main trade conduit to India which it NO longer has any value of today.

But alas, the leadership in Pakistan is self serving - a commando looking for his last glory led Pakistan to disaster in Kargil and kept the perpetual cycle of corruption ongoing through his NRO.

Today - India is best served by treating Pakistan like a hybrid of Libya and Argentina
It can still cut a role for itself if the powers that be are ready to change their approach.
a) Taliban wants to have a direct route to India
b) Iran wants a direct route to India

Pak can facilitate this and focus on the economics alone.
 
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