We Are All Harappans

[Water Car Engineer]

No, I don't think a major eastern movement occurred from IVC further into Hindustan. There were almost certainly major eastern migrations before IVC, but certainly not during or after it.

Ok, prove it. My case is the movement of settlements from west(Iran) to east(India), genes from the same west(Iran,lack today) to east(India), and genetic associations of ASI with IVC, and the general age of ASI and age of the early ICV. With limited resource in hand, matches fine.

 

[Hamza913]

Ok, prove it.

No, you made the claim that there were migrations of ASI people during and after IVC, so the onus of proof is on you. You cannot shift it upon me just because you are unable to provide a source for your claims.

In fact, your lack of ability to provide a source for your claims provides more than enough evidence for mine, remember, absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

No, you made the claim that there were migrations of ASI people during and after IVC, so the onus of proof is on you. You cannot shift it upon me just because you are unable to provide a source for your claims.

I gave you my case several times --- You gave wiki pages.

Settlements, movement from west(Iran) to east(India), genes from the same west(Iran,lacking today) to east(India), and genetic associations of ASI with IVC, and the general age of ASI and age of the early ICV. And the association of the Indus samples with low caste and tribals. With limited resource in hand, matches fine. There wasnt just a mass migration from Pakistan to India, but it all starts from Eastern Iran. Today, the same ASI is completely absent from there. The samples from E. Iran arent that much older than the early Indus, so the ASI movement is associate with the Indus Vally, then after wards came the migration of ASI into further parts of the S. Asia. Strongest relation to the lower caste.

 

[Hamza913]

I gave you my case several times ---

I don't care what you have to say, your words are empty unless you can prove using a reliable source that ASI people during and after the IVC period migrated in large numbers into Hindustan, and managed to successfully sustain themselves.

All I've been able to dig up is small numbers of people from IVC migrating eastward, and they were all wiped out because they couldn't sustain themselves.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There is 100% chance that i'am lighter skinned than you . But that is beside the matter , u carry on BS.

Lol. Do you bathe in fair and lovely or just plain bleach?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I don't care what you have to say, your words are empty unless you can prove using a reliable source that ASI people during and after the IVC period migrated in large numbers into Hindustan, and managed to successfully sustain themselves.

All I've been able to dig up is small numbers of people from IVC migrating eastward, and they were all wiped out because they couldn't sustain themselves.

No, hardly the mixture happened in Eastern Iran. These ancient samples from E. Iran arent much older then the early ICV. These samples lack ANI also, and strong association with ASI. So ASI mixed group started in E. Iran, not long before the early ICV.

Current region of E. Iran lacks these genes today(Baloch, etc. lack this), there was an Eastern shift of genes, along with this came the early settlements of the ICV, this migration and early settlements go together. This movement is the first major population group to enter India, which now form a big part of the population, again, strongest among the low caste of S. Asia. By the late stage of the civilization settlements were already in Haryana, UP, Gujarat, Coastal Maharashtra, then it declined and now we have proof of ANI migration. So again, ASI genes moved east wards. You can choose to ignore whatever, but from the beginning of it's formation there was a eastern movement, you can choose to doubt there wasnt more eastern migration after destabilization, literally the same exact thing happened in Europe, both case genetics proves.

You can show me some more wiki links now, bud.

All I've been able to dig up is small numbers of people from IVC migrating eastward, and they were all wiped out because they couldn't sustain themselves.

Right, you dug that up off wiki, right?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The act of slavery itself is against the will of the person, and here you’re claiming that slaves weren’t abused!

There are several Indian accounts of women committing “jauhar” to avoid rapes from Islamic invasions of India.

Regarding the highlighted, no religion or society condones rape, so it being “haram” is not evidence of such incidents not happening during invasions. That’s a weak argument to begin with.

This claim should become a ban-able offense. I’m sick and tired of this baseless claim by Hindutva bigots.

Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, and former Central India were Muslim majority regions due to the activities of Sufi teachers in those regions.

No one has ever seen any proof for these ludicrous claims yet the Hindutva Modi bhakts scream rape, rape-products, and other rape assorted insults every thread relating to our history.

This is our story and we will tell it. Indians have no say in it.

 

[Corona]

This is our story and we will tell it. Indians have no say in it.

Too bad 'your stories' and 'our stories' collided over a millennia ago for better or worse. We had a part in it and we will say our lines.

 

[Icewolf]

These Gangoos literally never learn. Pakistanis want NOTHING to do with your culture you damn ape looking monster Ganga monkeys.

Leave OUR region (Indus) alone and focus on your region which is either South Indian jungle or the dirtiest river in the world (Ganges).

Focus on the history that comes from those regions please you damned Ganga monkeys.

STOP focusing on our history we don’t want anything to do with you Ganga apes at all. Stay away Dasyus and Dalits.

The only people who legitimately have a claim to Indus Civilization and the history are those from Indian border states (Punjab, Gujarat, Kashmir). Rest of India we want nothing to do with and should mind their own business.

We don’t want no UP wala, Tamil, Bengali, whatever, claiming the Indus.

 

[Hamza913]

These ancient samples from E. Iran arent much older then the early ICV.

Still older than IVC.

Also, you're yet to provide a source. Unless you do, your claims are meaningless.

We had a part in it

No you didn't.

Porus is not yours, the Bakhshali manuscript is not yours, Panini is not yours, Akbar is not yours, Shah Jahan is not yours, Kanishka is not yours, almost none of the history of Pakistan is yours.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Still older than IVC.

Also, you're yet to provide a source. Unless you do, your claims are meaningless.

Oh, if you were actually up on the sources instead of giving me Wikipedia as a link, you would know each and everything I just texted, bud. But you're on your wiki, "they migrated and couldn't sustain", nonsense. Wiki and that is pretty much all you knew. That's when the debate ends.

 

[Hamza913]

Oh, if you were actually up on the sources instead of giving me Wikipedia as a link, you would know each and everything I just texted, bud. But you're on your wiki, "they migrated and couldn't sustain", nonsense. Wiki and that is pretty much all you knew. That's when the debate ends.

Wikipedia isn't at all a bad source provided the claims have adequate citations. In that way it's a much better source than you.

Nice to see you change the topic since you clearly can't provide a source.

I agree, let's end it here since all you're doing is barking empty words with not a shred of historical support.

 

[Corona]

Still older than IVC.

Also, you're yet to provide a source. Unless you do, your claims are meaningless.



No you didn't.

Porus is not yours, the Bakhshali manuscript is not yours, Panini is not yours, Akbar is not yours, Shah Jahan is not yours, Kanishka is not yours, almost none of the history of Pakistan is yours.

Do you have the purchase receipts for Porus, Akbar and Shah Jahan with you?

What do you mean they 'belonged' to you? Individual humans are not possessions.

Anyway that wasn't the intent of my earlier post. I was not claiming Pakistan's history. Just saying that we interacted at one point in history. We were there too. That's all I said.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Wikipedia isn't at all a bad source provided the claims have adequate citations. In that way it's a much better source than you.

Nice to see you change the topic since you clearly can't provide a source.

I agree, let's end it here since all you're doing is barking empty words with not a shred of historical support.

Again, if you were actually informed, which I thought you were before giving some stupid wiki source, and some short line of what you kinda read, you would know everything I just said and where things are going, but you dont. You know some wiki and a short line of what you kinda read.

These Gangoos literally never learn. Pakistanis want NOTHING to do with your culture you damn ape looking monster Ganga monkeys.

Leave OUR region (Indus) alone and focus on your region which is either South Indian jungle or the dirtiest river in the world (Ganges).

Focus on the history that comes from those regions please you damned Ganga monkeys.

STOP focusing on our history we don’t want anything to do with you Ganga apes at all. Stay away Dasyus and Dalits.

The only people who legitimately have a claim to Indus Civilization and the history are those from Indian border states (Punjab, Gujarat, Kashmir). Rest of India we want nothing to do with and should mind their own business.

We don’t want no UP wala, Tamil, Bengali, whatever, claiming the Indus.

Lmao, do you even know what the genetic samples show?? It shows the true heirs of the Indus are the shoe clearners or brick workers across Pakistan and N. India. They cluster with the lowest of society, and it's an irony, but instead of racism see how interconnected this huge land mass is.

 

[Hamza913]

Do you have the purchase receipts for Porus, Akbar and Shah Jahan with you?

What do you mean they 'belonged' to you? Individual humans are not possessions.

You know what I meant.

Just saying that we interacted at one point in history. We were there too.

The same can be said for Afghanistan and Iran.

Again, if you were actually informed, which I thought you were before giving some stupid wiki source, and some short line of what you kinda read, you would know everything I just said and where things are going, but you dont. You know some wiki and a short line of what you kinda read.

If wikipedia isn't sufficient I can gladly give another source.

Anyway, you are yet to prove your claims, which shows how false they are.