We Are All Harappans

[Suriya]

Difference in religious concept. one religion is based upon a theological book with various moral and ethical edicts explained and then infused/translated into local culture wherever it spread.

The other is local culture and practices reflected in ancient writings specific to the people of the area.
Islam is agnostic to culture, Hinduism is culture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/723420315859079168

BTW Hinduism has it's own moral and ethical edicts explained in Bhagwat Gita .

 

[hussain0216]

Yes, reality does not change .....It does not matter what ignorant Pakistani with identity crises thinks
- For Yoga, people come to India
- For Vedas / Sanskrit people come to India
- Research on social/ political/literary aspects of IVC people come to India,

Reality is clear and visible to all

I don't give a fcuk about yoga or vedas, you can practice and clowns can go to india


What were concerned about is foreign black types trying to steal or co opt the heritage and history of the land of Pakistan

The people in these lands have always been here and are the direct link to their ancestors

What were annoyed about is kala gangadeshis with no connection to our forefathers trying to claim our heritage

 

[t_for_talli]

I don't give a fcuk about yoga or vedas, you can practice and clowns can go to india


What were concerned about is foreign black types trying to steal or co opt the heritage and history of the land of Pakistan

The people in these lands have always been here and are the direct link to their ancestors

What were annoyed about is kala gangadeshis with no connection to our forefathers trying to claim our heritage

are you dumb or what......
First you write I don't give **** about culture and after that you cry saying Indians are stealing it,
Secondly after IVC the same people moved eastwards.... so nobody is trying to claim heritage......
Stronger ones kept the heritage and weaker one bowed down to foreigners/ Invaders

This is because of misconceptions and also to further Indian government propaganda. Studying only the outlying sites like Rakhigarh is like studying Yemen to make a blanket statement about Roman civilization.

- Do people go to Pakistan for studying Sanskrit
- Do people go to Pakistan to learn Yoga
- Do people go to Pakistan for studying Vedas

There is no propaganda... everything is crystal clear
Pakistan only owns the land, culture is gone long back

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Dont talk about Kingdoms, only time when a local ruled Pakistani lands was after Independence
Lets do a reality check, from next time do research before posting crap

The fact is Pakistanis have identity crises and they try to hook on to whatever they feel will differentiate them from Indians. There are more Pakistani claiming Arab ancestry / different race than the number of Indians who believe in Arab Pakistani ancestry.

Now if you look at the history of the land called Pakistan (rulers of land)

Mauryas, pre Ashoka (~300 BC , Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Mauryas, Post Ashoka (~260 BC, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Indo/ Greek Kingdom (~150 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Indo/ Scythians (~55 BC, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism/ Zoroastrianism)

Kushans (~50-300 AD, Ruler Origin : Afgan/ Cuntral Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Huns (~350 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism)

Guptas (~400 AD, Ruler Origin : Bihar India, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism)

Huns (~500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Buddhism/ Hinduism

Gazanivids (~1000 AD,Ruler Origin : Turk, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Ghaurids (~1200 AD,Ruler Origin : Persian, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Delhi Sultanate(~1200-1450 AD, Ruler Origin : Turkic, Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Moughls (~1500 AD, Ruler Origin : Central Asia , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam/ Hinduism)

Durrani and Sikh Empires (~1700 AD, Ruler Origin : Sikhs (India), Durranis (Afgans) , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

British (~1850 AD, Ruler Origin : Europeans , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Hinduism/ Sikhism / Islam)

Pakistanis ( After 1947 AD, Ruler Origin : Pakistani , Religion of Pakistani Lands : Islam)

There was no time for you guys to have the culture of your own, People of the land call Pakistan adopted whatever was imposed by foreign invaders in last 2000 years,

History you said?

From 7000BCE ~ 1300 (This could actually be starting from 10000BCE) . This is OUR history kiddo. Millenia after millennia. Uninterrupted, and unchallenged. We are a civilization. We are the elite of humanity. We give world the first civilization.

Know your place, you miserable being. Now crawl back to the shithole you came from.

 

[t_for_talli]

History you said?


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From 7000BCE ~ 1300 (This could actually be starting from 10000BCE) . This is OUR history kiddo. Millenia after millennia. Uninterrupted, and unchallenged. We are a civilization. We are the elite of humanity. We give world the first civilization.

Know your place, you miserable being. Now crawl back to the shithole you came from.

1300 IVC gone and Vedic people moved east to find new homelands,
They took whatever knowledge was left .....thats why most Indian Languages are derived from Sanskrit,
Sanskrit> Pali / Prakrit > Most India Languages (Including Punjab to Maharashtra to Bengal),

Vedas were written in current day Pakistan but the same people moved to Northern Indian lands that's why Upanishads and other Sanskrit / Pali texts were written near Ganga,

Tell me one reason why there is no Sanskrit literature in Pakistan, Islam arrived 2000 years after IVC,
But all literary works in Sanskrit happened in Northern India. (Because Vedic people moved to current day India)

Owning land does not mean you own the history, Nation states change borders, people move but culture/ heritage is reflected in way of life,

Cry as hard as you can, people will come to India to learn about the civilization, read Vedic texts/ literature.
Nobody cares about a butthurt Pakistani with an identity crisis.

 

[hussain0216]

are you dumb or what......
First you write I don't give **** about culture and after that you cry saying Indians are stealing it,
Secondly after IVC the same people moved eastwards.... so nobody is trying to claim heritage......
Stronger ones kept the heritage and weaker one bowed down to foreigners/

I dont give a fcuk about vedas, or sanskrit or any such shit except that I/we object to cultural theft of the heritage of this pure land and its tribes

And no we reject revised hindutva history of the people of this pure land leaving to live in jungles in the east amongst black savages.
You are NOT us gangadeshi

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sanskrit literature in Pakistan

Ever seen Jamaicans? They speak, read and write in a Anglo-Saxon language called English. They follow Christianity a Semite religion from Middle East with heavy Greco-Roman influence. Now tell me this? Can Jamaicans claim English/European heritage and masturbate over Rome?

 

[hussain0216]

Ever seen Jamaicans? They speak, read and write in a Anglo-Saxon language called English. They follow Christianity a Semite religion from Middle East with heavy Greco-Roman influence. Now tell me this? Can Jamaicans claim English/European heritage and masturbate over Rome?

Indians are black Africans claiming Egyptian civilisation because it was in Africa

 

[Taimoor Khan]

1300 IVC gone and Vedic people moved east to find new homelands,
They took whatever knowledge was left .....thats why most Indian Languages are derived from Sanskrit,
Sanskrit> Pali / Prakrit > Most India Languages (Including Punjab to Maharashtra to Bengal),

Vedas were written in current day Pakistan but the same people moved to Northern Indian lands that's why Upanishads and other Sanskrit / Pali texts were written near Ganga,

Tell me one reason why there is no Sanskrit literature in Pakistan, Islam arrived 2000 years after IVC,
But all literary works in Sanskrit happened in Northern India. (Because Vedic people moved to current day India)

Owning land does not mean you own the history, Nation states change borders, people move but culture/ heritage is reflected in way of life,

Cry as hard as you can, people will come to India to learn about the civilization, read Vedic texts/ literature.
Nobody cares about a butthurt Pakistani with an identity crisis.

What is there not going through your thick head that IVC got NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do with your miserable faith or anything associated with it?


LOL, people move east for what? Move from furtile lands that's sustain their civilization for Millenia after Millenia ? What non sense!

Sanskrit can kiss my arse. its irrelevant to IVC. There is no Sanskrit in IVC. Egyptians don't speak their ancestor language, hell, they speak a foreign language Arabic and now classify themselves are Arab , yet they are recognized as the custodians of Nile civilization.

You assumption is based on this propaganda that is ingrained in your kind that IVC was Hindu or early hindu. That has been put in the dustbin long time ago. There is a complete disconnect between what you shitholes believe in and what IVC was. Understand this first and the rest will enlighten by itself.

The only identity crisis is prevalent among your kind. Disjointed, soup of a nation with no ethnical connection to each other put together by British raj. When there is no glory within, it become instinct to hunt for glory elsewhere. While we are the son of the soil, the Indus. As I said elsewhere, we are just not a nation but a civilization.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The fact is the motherlode of the Indus Valley Civilization was Indus River or what is today Pakistan [just for the record there was no political/geographic concepts like Pakistan/Afghanistan/India 5,000 years ago]. The most defining physical feature in Pakistan is the Indus River as it ties Pakistan together forming it's backbone.

If you plant fruit treas in your garden naturally after they mature some of the branches might extend over into neighbours garden on both sides. This is the case with IVC. You see IVC sites in Afghanistan, even Uzbekistan or related sites in Iran and some in India. But IVC remains centred on the Indus Valley. Take a map of India for instance. Map out the IVC sites and you can clearly see they all are 'overflow' from Pakistan. 90% of India has absolutely nothing to do with IVC sites - they are 1,000 miles distant. Indians talking about "we are all Harappans" is like Blacks claming "We are all Egyptians now" because they are in Africa and so is Egypt.

The reality is over 90% of India is aboriginals from the Ganga/Dravidia and have as much to do with the noble Indus as Black Africans have to do with Egypt even if they are on the same continent of Africa.


You want to see where the one of the four cradles of civilization in the ancient world was. Just look at Indus Valley of what is now Pakistan. This is a land that blessed the world with civilization, mathematics, zero, supreme art. Harappa, Mehr Garh, Mohenjo Daro, Bakshali zero, Taxila, Sirkap and the list goes on. I can see why the primitive aboriginals of Ganga like lechers look on to Indus Pakistan in jealousy and need to steal our heritage to gain modicum of self respect. You see the same lust for steeling heritage in Black Africans and Egypt.

 

[Hamza913]

Yes i said we got killed in Kashmir and we are now also killig and massacring in kashmir.

Remember Asifa bano ? She was a gujjar as well lol. And shes not alone if you see our news. Major Bhradwaj, Sukla, Koul, Sharma etc all have very developed taste for Kashmiri girls of all kind.

As for afghans we already raped and massacared them for over 500 years. We divided their their lands among brahmins, forced Sanskritas court language, built our temples over their pagan religions.

Dahir, Brahmansahis, etc all were very notorus for one thing among their majority Jat and Gujjar pesants. Above listem respected majors are onpy carrying on that legasy in kashmir

Its all gods punishment for brahmAhatya, you cant understand being a Gujjar dalit Convert.

As for Iqbal, its not uncommon of Dalit Converts (99%) in South Asia to LARP as Arab, persian, Afghan, Brahmin, Rajput etc. We dont take them seriously.


Its same for you as well, you claim to be a Gujjar (Dalit caste in India) few days ago you used to claim your mother was a baloch, now you claim to me that your family is mixed with baloch, pashtun, persians and Rajput and in another forum you claim to be Al-Khorasani.

You're not doing much in Kashmir, last time I checked it was the Hindustani army doing all the work, and most of them are not Brahmin.

Nice to see you bringing up rape cases, goes to show how dirty you and your people are.

Anyway, look at we did recently:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/one-major-and-3-soldiers-of-indian-army-killed-in-kashmir.571477/

And of course your obsession with tribes comes out again. It probably has something to do with the fact that you yourself have achieved nothing in life, so you need to clutch onto the achievements of your ancestors like a desperate child does to his dummy.

Lmao you can't be serious, you still actually think all Muslims in South Asia are Dalit converts? That's hilarious.



No, I said most of my family was Gujjar, and that some people in my family if you go a little back came from Baluchistan. I also said that yes, my family has intermarried with Pashtuns, Persians and Rajputs because they have, but those people aren't part of my direct lineage. I call myself Al Khorasani in another forum because at one point Pakistan was referred to as Khorasan.

And I already told you, most Gujjars aren't Dalits. My mothers side comes from a long line of aristocrats for goodness sake lol.

Educate yourself.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yes i said we got killed in Kashmir and we are now also killig and massacring in kashmir.

Remember Asifa bano ? She was a gujjar as well lol. And shes not alone if you see our news. Major Bhradwaj, Sukla, Koul, Sharma etc all have very developed taste for Kashmiri girls of all kind.

As for afghans we already raped and massacared them for over 500 years. We divided their their lands among brahmins, forced Sanskritas court language, built our temples over their pagan religions.

Dahir, Brahmansahis, etc all were very notorus for one thing among their majority Jat and Gujjar pesants. Above listem respected majors are onpy carrying on that legasy in kashmir

Its all gods punishment for brahmAhatya, you cant understand being a Gujjar dalit Convert.

As for Iqbal, its not uncommon of Dalit Converts (99%) in South Asia to LARP as Arab, persian, Afghan, Brahmin, Rajput etc. We dont take them seriously.

Its same for you as well, you claim to be a Gujjar (Dalit caste in India) few days ago you used to claim your mother was a baloch, now you claim to me that your family is mixed with baloch, pashtun, persians and Rajput and in another forum you claim to be Al-Khorasani.

You are a disgusting human being.

my family was Gujjar

Gujjars are a very respectable tribe and one of the major groups of Punjab.

I am guessing this fool knows nothing about Punjabi families and lineages.

 

[Hamza913]

Gujjars are a very respectable tribe and one of the major groups of Punjab.

I am guessing this fool knows nothing about Punjabi families and lineages.

He doesn't know anything full stop, he thinks Brahmins are superior even though everyone has kicked the crap out of them, even other Hindu castes that are supposedly viewed as inferior.

I know we most certainly aren't Dalits because my mother comes from a long line of aristocrats, and when she was about to get married, literally every family craved for her to marry their son because of her prestigious lineage.

In fact, despite being primarily Gujjars, my family has intermarried with multiple other ethnic groups and tribes routinely.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He doesn't know anything full stop, he thinks Brahmins are superior even though everyone has kicked the crap out of them, even other Hindu castes that are supposedly viewed as inferior.

I know we most certainly aren't Dalits because my mother comes from a long line of aristocrats, and when she was about to get married, literally every family craved for her to marry their son because of her prestigious lineage.

In fact, despite being primarily Gujjars, my family has intermarried with multiple other ethnic groups and tribes routinely.

He will probably call me Dalit also, even though I’m a Rajput.

my mother comes from a long line of aristocrats, and when she was about to get married, literally every family craved for her to marry their son because of her prestigious lineage.

Gujjars are a very strong family with a great history in Punjab.

In fact, despite being primarily Gujjars, my family has intermarried with multiple other ethnic groups and tribes routinely.

My family is intermarried with Pukhtoons. Half of us are Pukhto or Hindko speakers.

This is the destiny of all of Pakistan. We don’t separate each other because of prehistoric caste systems like Indians.

 

[Hamza913]

My family is intermarried with Pukhtoons. Half of us are Pukhto or Hindko speakers.

This is the destiny of all of Pakistan. We don’t separate each other because of prehistoric caste systems like Indians.

Yeah, my family has intermarried with Pashtuns, Rajputs, Bhatts and Baluchis, but only the last one is part of my direct lineage AFAIK. The Rajputs my family intermarried with have also themselves intermarried with Persians.

Even when my family has married other Gujjars, they have often been from multiple different regions (Kashmir, Punjab and KPK).

I've recently been finding more and more about my family history by speaking with the older members of my family.