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[striver44]

New hangar for helo

 

[sahureka2]

New hangar for helo

April 2019

https://m.thanhnien.vn/the-gioi/vie...g-tren-chien-ham-dinh-tien-hoang-1074546.html

 

[Dave1798]

Vietnam signed a contract for at least 12 Yak-130 combat training aircraft worth more than $350 million in 2019, which might pave the way for a future Su-30SM or Su-35 contract.

https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2020/01/29/821674-vetnam-zaklyuchil

Some report says contract is around 12 to equip 1 squadron (350 million isn't enough for 30+), Vietnam will need around 30 to fully replace L-39 unless they plan to order more later on.. Also, if they decide to go with Yak-130, what are the chances Vietnam will purchase European or American aircrafts in the future? Seems unusual that they sign a contract for a Russian trainer aircraft and consider F-16, Gripen etc.. to replace their old Su-22. Also their were reports that Vietnam were going to receive some T-6 Texan too. I think this contract mean Vietnam will probably purchase Russian aircrafts like Su-57 in the future instead. Maybe it is due to commonality/cost or Vietnam doesn't mind that China uses similar aircrafts now because I seen in earlier reports that Vietnam were moving away from Russian aircrafts due to Chinese familiarity with them..

 

[Viva_Viet]

Some report says contract is around 12 to equip 1 squadron (350 million isn't enough for 30+), Vietnam will need around 30 to fully replace L-39 unless they plan to order more later on.. Also, if they decide to go with Yak-130, what are the chances Vietnam will purchase European or American aircrafts in the future? Seems unusual that they sign a contract for a Russian trainer aircraft and consider F-16, Gripen etc.. to replace their old Su-22. Also their were reports that Vietnam were going to receive some T-6 Texan too. I think this contract mean Vietnam will probably purchase Russian aircrafts like Su-57 in the future instead. Maybe it is due to commonality/cost or Vietnam doesn't mind that China uses similar aircrafts now because I seen in earlier reports that Vietnam were moving away from Russian aircrafts due to Chinese familiarity with them..

Things changed so fast. CN economy is already too bad under trade war, now its going to fall into chaos due to failed to control Cor virus and dont know what kind of deadly virus will happen next.

PLA simply dont have the will to fight anymore.they just trying to survive .So same Russian jet will not be big problem now.

 

[Viet]

New hangar for helo

Too bad! the pace of adding capital ships to the navy has stalled. We need technology and money to build ships on assembly lines. Like making chinese sausage.

 

[striver44]

Too bad! the pace of adding capital ships to the navy has stalled. We need technology and money to build ships on assembly lines. Like making chinese sausage.

Capital ship wont do much against china's fleet.
A swarm of AShM will do. Air launched AShM Jets imo is better option

 

[Viet]

Capital ship wont do much against china's fleet.
A swarm of AShM will do. Air launched AShM Jets imo is better option

Vietnam can produce Kh35 antiship missiles however we lack capital ships that carry the missiles. You can see the navy can quickly install the missiles on the new Pohang class frigate. The ship itself is a donation by RoK. We still can’t build capital ships obviously.

 

[sahureka2]

Vietnam can produce Kh35 antiship missiles however we lack capital ships that carry the missiles. You can see the navy can quickly install the missiles on the new Pohang class frigate. The ship itself is a donation by RoK. We still can’t build capital ships obviously.

If desired, there would also be plenty of space on the Hamilton OPV 8020 class,

which could go to the Vietnamese People's Navy and modify the optical number 22 by continuing the uniform numbering of the donated Pohang class (18-20)

1x OtoMelara 76/62 compact
2x4 Kh-35 Uran or Vietnamese version
1x AK-630 aft of the ship

and .....as Viet wrote last Sunday, another Hamilton-class Cutter will arrive in March

 

[Viet]

If desired, there would also be plenty of space on the Hamilton OPV 8020 class,

which could go to the Vietnamese People's Navy and modify the optical number 22 by continuing the uniform numbering of the donated Pohang class (18-20)

1x OtoMelara 76/62 compact
2x4 Kh-35 Uran or Vietnamese version
1x AK-630 aft of the ship

and .....as Viet wrote last Sunday, another Hamilton-class Cutter will arrive in March

Yes the second cutter comes by next month but I don’t think the vessels are suitable as warships.

Too slow, too vulnerable

 

[sahureka2]

Yes the second cutter comes by next month but I don’t think the vessels are suitable as warships.

Too slow, too vulnerable

I don't know today, but the Hamilton class was declared Speed: 29 kn
The ship has shown that it can perform long patrolling missions in the oceans well and its size gives the possibility to install systems to increase defense and offense capabilities.
Over 2x4 Kh-35 Uran, as I already wrote in my previous post you can install a Russian CIWS AK-630 in the same position previously done the US had the CIWS 20 mm Phalanx, possibly to expand the antiaircraft defense a couple could be used of quadruple systems A72 for MANPADS https://photo-2-baomoi.zadn.vn/w1000_r1m/2019_03_14_180_29978563/e016e42aea6a03345a7b.gif
The ship should still have sonar, and in the past it was also equipped with 324mm triple torpedo tubes for ASW torpedoes which therefore it should be possible to reposition or reuse the systems of Soviet origin already in use on the Petya class; to complete, ASW helicopter, not a Russian Kamov too high for the Hangar, but a new or acquired second-hand ASW helicopter of Western origin.
By carrying out the work in Vietnam shipyards which already demonstrated excellent skills, the final cost should remain low.
anti-ship missiles and MANPADS A72 system made in Vietnam
For the ASW fight it should not be difficult to find friendly countries that help to supply 324 mm at moderate prices, indeed if you use torpedo tubes and torpedoes of Soviet origin already in use in Vietnam the expense would be only to adapt the systems to the ship .
If you want to save money, instead of buying the CIWS AK-630, you could opt for the AK-230 recovered from one of the decommisionated naval units.
https://photo-1-baomoi.zadn.vn/w700_r1/2019_11_06_180_32842770/5ee40a2f906f7931207e.jpg

Waiting for new frigates, these 2 Hamilton can make an excellent contribution to the defense of national maritime borders

 

[Viet]

I don't know today, but the Hamilton class was declared Speed: 29 kn
The ship has shown that it can perform long patrolling missions in the oceans well and its size gives the possibility to install systems to increase defense and offense capabilities.
Over 2x4 Kh-35 Uran, as I already wrote in my previous post you can install a Russian CIWS AK-630 in the same position previously done the US had the CIWS 20 mm Phalanx, possibly to expand the antiaircraft defense a couple could be used of quadruple systems A72 for MANPADS https://photo-2-baomoi.zadn.vn/w1000_r1m/2019_03_14_180_29978563/e016e42aea6a03345a7b.gif
The ship should still have sonar, and in the past it was also equipped with 324mm triple torpedo tubes for ASW torpedoes which therefore it should be possible to reposition or reuse the systems of Soviet origin already in use on the Petya class; to complete, ASW helicopter, not a Russian Kamov too high for the Hangar, but a new or acquired second-hand ASW helicopter of Western origin.
By carrying out the work in Vietnam shipyards which already demonstrated excellent skills, the final cost should remain low.
anti-ship missiles and MANPADS A72 system made in Vietnam
For the ASW fight it should not be difficult to find friendly countries that help to supply 324 mm at moderate prices, indeed if you use torpedo tubes and torpedoes of Soviet origin already in use in Vietnam the expense would be only to adapt the systems to the ship .
If you want to save money, instead of buying the CIWS AK-630, you could opt for the AK-230 recovered from one of the decommisionated naval units.
https://photo-1-baomoi.zadn.vn/w700_r1/2019_11_06_180_32842770/5ee40a2f906f7931207e.jpg

Waiting for new frigates, these 2 Hamilton can make an excellent contribution to the defense of national maritime borders

That sounds nice however having such ships runs counter Vietnam naval strategy of attack in ambush, then hit and run. The enemy can detect our ships hundreds of miles away, attacking them by long range weapons, our ships won’t survive in any open sea battle. I am not expert just believe the Hamilton ships are too exposed to radar. It can’t run fast enough to evade incoming enemy missiles.

 

[sahureka2]

That sounds nice however having such ships runs counter Vietnam naval strategy of attack in ambush, then hit and run. The enemy can detect our ships hundreds of miles away, attacking them by long range weapons, our ships won’t survive in any open sea battle. I am not expert just believe the Hamilton ships are too exposed to radar. It can’t run fast enough to evade incoming enemy missiles.

If this is the problem, then it would have been useless to buy the Russian Gepard class frigates, as with a maximum speed of 27 knots they are slower than the Hamilton class.
True they are smaller in size and more modern as silhouettes, but not so small that they cannot be detected by the radar of a possible opponent.
YES the low displacement units are excellent for fast attacks, but not very suitable to patrol their EEZ, as they have a short autonomy, while the Hamilton can navigate safely even in stormy sea and keep control for long periods of navigation, which is very important today, to show the flag to remind others who administratively manages those sea areas
And equipping Hamilton with new systems would make them much more dissuasive towards possible provocations

 

[Viet]

If this is the problem, then it would have been useless to buy the Russian Gepard class frigates, as with a maximum speed of 27 knots they are slower than the Hamilton class.
True they are smaller in size and more modern as silhouettes, but not so small that they cannot be detected by the radar of a possible opponent.
YES the low displacement units are excellent for fast attacks, but not very suitable to patrol their EEZ, as they have a short autonomy, while the Hamilton can navigate safely even in stormy sea and keep control for long periods of navigation, which is very important today, to show the flag to remind others who administratively manages those sea areas
And equipping Hamilton with new systems would make them much more dissuasive towards possible provocations

The Gepard offers stealth. Ok at least a bit, while Hamilton is a white elephant that waits to be hit. Ha ha.

I wish we can make warships like making missiles and ammunitions. Because we have 100 ships, we can mount weapons onboard very quick: fresh from ammunitions factory, fire and heat resistant B41 anti tank missile.

 

[Viet]

Hunting submarine: dropping torpedo SET-40UE from a Ka-28 heli

Và theo những hình ảnh có được, Ka-28 của Lữ đoàn 954 đã triển khai ít nhất 2 hai phao định vị thủy âm (có thể là loại RGB-NM-1) hỗ trợ cho tàu Petya xác định và tiêu diệt “tàu ngầm” đối phương bên dưới mặt nước bằng ngư lôi SET-40UE, vũ khí chống ngầm chính trên các tàu Petya. Nguồn ảnh: QPVN.

 

[Goku]

Hunting submarine: dropping torpedo SET-40UE from a Ka-28 heli

Và theo những hình ảnh có được, Ka-28 của Lữ đoàn 954 đã triển khai ít nhất 2 hai phao định vị thủy âm (có thể là loại RGB-NM-1) hỗ trợ cho tàu Petya xác định và tiêu diệt “tàu ngầm” đối phương bên dưới mặt nước bằng ngư lôi SET-40UE, vũ khí chống ngầm chính trên các tàu Petya. Nguồn ảnh: QPVN.

Do u guys have a ship building industry? Like for your Navy?? Till you can produce /buy big naval ships , Viet Navy can concentrate on inducting Fast attack aircrafts in huge numbers. Invest more in coastal defences.