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One need to understand, MTCR is just a regime, not a treaty.

Soon lot of strategic things going to sign, and I think including MRBM.

You mean MRBM for Vietnam?

I think it is unpractical, time consuming and expensive to modify the existing 4 Gepards, adding Brahmos. I am pretty sure the next 2 Gepard will carry Kalibr. The best way for the Navy is to get ToT from the bear (negotiation may be challenging), building the ships we need at our shipyards. The new Ba Son should be capable to build the Gepard. Once we have access to technology and acquire capability, modifying and enlarging gepard for Brahmos could be done.

We need more surface warships. More frigates and hopefully soon destroyers.

Well, if Brahmos will get added to the existing Gepards while keeping the Urans, then I'm pretty sure how it will be done. The Palma will get replaced by the Brahmos VLS and the Palma can go to the back to replace one of the AK-630s. The other AK-630 can be replaced with a brand new Palma. That will leave an air defense blind spot at the front of the ship. This will cost some money, but it can be done. Labor is cheap in Vietnam after all.
 
Obviously, Vietnam very much want MRBM as China also deployed MRBM against Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines.

Two missiles are offered to Vietnam, one by Israel ( Jericho-2 ) and other by India (A4).

Agni 4? Are you sure that's actually in the cards? Did you get that from reliable sources?
 
Agni 4? Are you sure that's actually in the cards? Did you get that from reliable sources?
A3 or A4, yes thats on card. Otherwise, if that not, Vietnam surely go for Jericho-2. 101% sure.

Surely no one tell from where that missile arrived, but you soon see Vietnam testing a MRBM.
 
A3 or A4, yes thats on card. Otherwise, if that not, Vietnam surely go for Jericho-2. 101% sure.

Surely no one tell from where that missile arrived, but you soon see Vietnam testing a MRBM.

Wow, that's great news. Beijing and Shanghai in Vietnam's crosshairs. I love it.

Bravo India :cheers:
 
I think it is unpractical, time consuming and expensive to modify the existing 4 Gepards, adding Brahmos. I am pretty sure the next 2 Gepard will carry Kalibr. The best way for the Navy is to get ToT from the bear (negotiation may be challenging), building the ships we need at our shipyards. The new Ba Son should be capable to build the Gepard. Once we have access to technology and acquire capability, modifying and enlarging gepard for Brahmos could be done.

We need more surface warships. More frigates and hopefully soon destroyers.

There is one reason that makes it practical actually and that is that things are getting hot in the SCS and if you have to wait for a new ship, specially Russian, then you are talking 4 or 5 years. The ship modification can probably be done in a few months.
 
Obviously, Vietnam very much want MRBM as China also deployed MRBM against Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines.

Two missiles are offered to Vietnam, one by Israel ( Jericho-2 ) and other by India (A4).
China deploying BMs against Vietnam is not a secret. I remember the chinese even bragged about it. a side note, General Ngo Xuan Lich, in his function as Vietnam defence minister is on a 4-day visit to China, expected holding talks with China Central Military Commission. the body that commands Chinese armed forces.

we need to ask the Chinese about their real intentions in the South China sea and in the region. nobody buys their peaceful rise empty rhetoric.

 
Most probably I think Vietnam induct Jericho 2. As that is already canisterized.

Jericho II

The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage long-range ballistic missile system and a follow on from the Jericho I project.

There was a series of test launches into the Mediterranean from 1987 to 1992, the longest at around 1,300 km, mostly from the facility at Palmachim, south of Tel Aviv. Jane's reports that a test launch of 1,400 km is believed to have taken place from South Africa's Overberg Test Range in June 1989.[16]

The Jericho II is 14.0 m long and 1.56 m wide, with a reported launch weight of 26,000 kg (although an alternative launch weight of 21,935 kg has been suggested). It has a 1,000 kg payload, capable of carrying a considerable amount of high explosives or a 1 Mt yield nuclear warhead. It uses a two-stage solid propellant engine with a separating warhead. The missile can be launched from a silo, a railroad flat truck, or a mobile vehicle. This gives it the ability to be hidden, moved quickly, or kept in a hardened silo, largely ensuring survival against any attack.[17]

The Jericho II forms the basis of the three-stage, 23 ton Shavit NEXT satellite launcher, first launched in 1988 from Palmachim. From the performance of Shavit it has been estimated that as a ballistic missile it has a maximum range of about 7,800 km with a 500 kg payload.[7]

Some reports claim there are two separate missile systems under development, the Jericho 2 with a 800 km range and the Jericho 2B with an extended 1,500 km range. The range of this missile is frequently reported as about 1,500 km with a 1,000 kg payload, but other estimates suggest that it is capable of a much longer range.

The Jericho II as an available Israeli counter attack option to Iraqi missile bombardment in the 1991 Gulf War is disputed. Jane's at the time believed that Jericho II entered service in 1989.[18] Researcher Seth Carus claims that according to an Israeli source the decision to operationally deploy the Jericho-2 was only made after 1994, several years after the Scud attacks had ended and a cease fire and disarmament regime were in place.[19] Raytheon quoting Soviet intelligence archives showing them believing the Jericho-2 as an fully developed weapon in 1989, but did not indicate when it was available for deployment.[20] Investigators for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace accessed commercial satellite images of the Sdot Micha Airbase near Zachariah, a suspected Jericho missile base, comparison shows expansion between 1989 and 1993 of the type which would accommodate suspected Jericho II launchers and missiles.[21] Such an expansion would be more consistent with a post-1991 deployment chronology.
 
Vietnam, France to strike major deals during Hollande’s visit
Vietnam and France will clinched a number of important agreements during French President Francois Hollande’s State visit to Vietnam from September 5 to 7.

Last update 18:39 | 26/08/2016

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The French embassy in Hanoi said in a statement on August 25 that Hollande would meet Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, State President Tran Dai Quang, Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc, and National Assembly Chairwoman Nguyen Thi Kim Ngan.

Hollande will deliver a speech on orientations of cooperation between Vietnam and France at the Vietnam National University in Hanoi, and meet Vietnamese and French businesses in HCMC. He is expected to attend the groundbreaking ceremony of a new French school called Alexandre Yersin in the capital city and visit the Heart Institute in HCMC.

Major agreements to be signed during Hollande’s Vietnam visit will cover judiciary, healthcare, scientific and educational cooperation and technical assistance for adaptation to climate change.

Hollande will be the third French president to visit Vietnam after Francois Mitterrand in 1993 and Jacques Chirac in 1997 and 2004.

In an interview with the French news agency AFP ahead of Hollande’s visit to Vietnam, Vietnam’s State President Tran Dai Quang said defense cooperation has become one of the pillars in the strategic partnership between Vietnam and France and will be strengthened in the coming time.

Vietnam-France defence cooperation

Quang underscored the need for the two countries to build a common vision on defense cooperation to make it more effective, according to the Vietnam News Agency.

Quang said Vietnam and France can support each other for United Nations peacekeeping missions; ensuring security, safety and freedom of navigation and overflight; and solving issues relating to cyber security and non-conventional security issues.

He affirmed Vietnam’s backing for France to play an active and constructive role in protecting the common interests of the international community, and that Vietnam is willing to cooperate with France in numerous fields for peace, stability and cooperation. He said the historic Vietnam visit by President Francois Mitterrand in 1993 set an important milestone in bilateral ties.

In 2013, Vietnam and France issued a joint statement on establishing a strategic partnership, paving the way for the two countries to make many achievements in politics, diplomacy, economics, trade, investment, science, technology, culture and education.

France is Vietnam’s fifth biggest European Union (EU) trade partner and one of the key official development assistance (ODA) donors for this Southeast Asian country.

France’s exports to France rose to 1.4 billion euros last year from 764 million euros in 2014. The European country spent 4.1 billion euros on imports from Vietnam last year, up 32.8% year-on-year.

France is Vietnam’s third biggest EU investor with registered capital of US$3.4 billion after the Netherlands and the UK. Nearly 300 French firms are active in Vietnam.

Vietnam and France have inked many necessary legal documents to expand cooperation, including those on economic cooperation, investment encouragement and protection, and double avoidance of taxation.
 
Jericho II

The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage long-range ballistic missile system and a follow on from the Jericho I project.

There was a series of test launches into the Mediterranean from 1987 to 1992, the longest at around 1,300 km, mostly from the facility at Palmachim, south of Tel Aviv. Jane's reports that a test launch of 1,400 km is believed to have taken place from South Africa's Overberg Test Range in June 1989.[16]

The Jericho II is 14.0 m long and 1.56 m wide, with a reported launch weight of 26,000 kg (although an alternative launch weight of 21,935 kg has been suggested). It has a 1,000 kg payload, capable of carrying a considerable amount of high explosives or a 1 Mt yield nuclear warhead. It uses a two-stage solid propellant engine with a separating warhead. The missile can be launched from a silo, a railroad flat truck, or a mobile vehicle. This gives it the ability to be hidden, moved quickly, or kept in a hardened silo, largely ensuring survival against any attack.[17]

The Jericho II forms the basis of the three-stage, 23 ton Shavit NEXT satellite launcher, first launched in 1988 from Palmachim. From the performance of Shavit it has been estimated that as a ballistic missile it has a maximum range of about 7,800 km with a 500 kg payload.[7]

Some reports claim there are two separate missile systems under development, the Jericho 2 with a 800 km range and the Jericho 2B with an extended 1,500 km range. The range of this missile is frequently reported as about 1,500 km with a 1,000 kg payload, but other estimates suggest that it is capable of a much longer range.

The Jericho II as an available Israeli counter attack option to Iraqi missile bombardment in the 1991 Gulf War is disputed. Jane's at the time believed that Jericho II entered service in 1989.[18] Researcher Seth Carus claims that according to an Israeli source the decision to operationally deploy the Jericho-2 was only made after 1994, several years after the Scud attacks had ended and a cease fire and disarmament regime were in place.[19] Raytheon quoting Soviet intelligence archives showing them believing the Jericho-2 as an fully developed weapon in 1989, but did not indicate when it was available for deployment.[20] Investigators for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace accessed commercial satellite images of the Sdot Micha Airbase near Zachariah, a suspected Jericho missile base, comparison shows expansion between 1989 and 1993 of the type which would accommodate suspected Jericho II launchers and missiles.[21] Such an expansion would be more consistent with a post-1991 deployment chronology.

For IRBM, which also a requirement in Vietnam. Maybe Shaurya will be chosen most probably.

Lets see which missile they choose. But let me say with 101% surety that Vietnam soon going to deploy MRBM & IRBM.
Be it A4 or A3 or Jericho 2 or Shaurya.
 
For IRBM, which also a requirement in Vietnam. Maybe Shaurya will be chosen most probably.

Lets see which missile they choose. But let me say with 101% surety that Vietnam soon going to deploy MRBM & IRBM.
Be it A4 or A3 or Jericho 2 or Shaurya.

I really like that. :tup::tup::tup:
 
Vietnam Conducts Test Runs for Two More ‘Molniya’ Warships

29 August 2016



One of the two new M5 and M6 warships (photos : QDND)

The Ba Son Shipyard under Vietnam’s Ministry of National Defense is carrying out trial runs to prepare for formal handover of two more fast-attack missile ships to the Navy.

The four-day test runs of the M5 and M6 vessels at sea are wrapping up on Friday following the successful trial operations at the dock, the government portal reported Thursday.

The two vessels were launched in April this year.

Vietnam received the first two Russian-made ships of Molniya class in 2007 and 2008. Under a technology transfer agreement signed by Vietnam and Russia in 2009, the latter agreed that six more will be built and assembled under license in Ba Son shipyard. So far four have been handed over to the Navy and M5 and M6 are the fifth and sixth.

The vessels are designed to destroy warships, amphibious vessels, corvettes, and other enemy targets. They are able to help protect submarines and amphibious ships, and perform reconnaissance missions at sea.




Russia has already handed over five out of the total six submarines to Vietnam. The last one is expected to be delivered at the end of this year.

The two corvettes are equipped with advanced weapons and functions. They are able to operate at sea for 10 straight days and can attack targets both in the air and at sea.

Apart from a modern radar system for tracking targets, each of the vessels is also equipped with 16 sea-to-sea Uran-E missiles arranged into four modules for launch on each side with a range of 130 km.

The other weapons installed in each vessel include two AK-630 ship-borne artillery systems with 4,000 shells each, which can fire at targets at a range of 4-5 km, and an AK-176M automatic gun with a range of 15 km for sea and land targets and 11 km for air targets.
 
Diplomacy

it is sometimes interesting to observe which countries the new Vietnam administration will visit as the first ones. it shows the importance or unimportance in the ranking of the countries perceived by the new administration. the new Prime Minister Nguyen xuan Phuc visited Russia and Japan. the State President visited Cambodia and Laos. and now visits Brunei and Singapore. in his function as State President, Trần Đại Quang is the Supreme Commander of Vietnam armed forces. he is said fluent in Chinese. Let see when he will visit China. He may follow the footsteps of traditional Vietnam: visiting China if it is really necessary. REALLY necessary. for example, despite sharing identical ideology the current VCP boss visits China every 10 years or so.

the former Prime Minister Nguyen van Dung never set a foot on China during his 10 years tenure.



Brunei
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Its all quite strange, but the thing about adding the missiles to the Gepard would be quite amazing, but the thing is, this guy does have insider information, he is very well known for that. Some things can be his opinion, but when he is talking about what he heard, that should be quite credible, we'll see.
For the third pair of Gepard ships, there may be a possibilty.

But for the first four, I doubt it. Adding the BrahMos/Yakhont/Klub would require the redesign of existing ship, which only applies for the third pair. We all know that the only possible space for a VLS system on Gepard class frigate is under the Palma CIWS.
 
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