Vietnam Defence Forum

[Silent Knight]

The model in frame is possibly the new DN-4000 class OPV for Vietnam Coast Guard.

 

[Carlosa]

PM Narendra Modi’s Vietnam visit is to signal India’s presence in South-East Asia
By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Aug 29, 2016

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...e-in-south-east-asia/articleshow/53903141.cms

NEW DELHI: Narendra Modi's to visit Vietnam on September 3 enroute to China for the G-20 Summit signaling India's growing strategic presence in South East Asia in Beijing's periphery. Delhi is expected to offer additional support to Hanoi's military establishment, including finance and training, assistance to space sector, greater investments besides acquiring possible stakes in supplementary hydrocarbon blocks.

While the highlight of PM's day-long visit will be signing of contract for supply of four patrol boats to Vietnamese military under the $100 -million line of credit that was extended during its PM's India visit in October 2014, India could offer additional financial support in building capacity of Hanoi's military establishment and may increase quota for training of armed forces personnel and undertake further repair and maintenance of defence hardware, hinted persons familiar with the developments. India's support to Vietnam's defence sector is aimed at augmenting capacity of the Southeast Asian nation's military establishment.

Vietnam — the current country coordinator for India in the ASEAN -- has an expanding strategic partnership with India in the region in more than one way. Today, Hanoi besides Singapore is among the two top strategic partners in ASEAN. While the growing defence partnership --based on common Russian military platform — has captured the popular imagination, maritime and cyber security covers the other areas of security cooperation, hinted official sources. A key outcome of the visit could be a document on cyber security partnership.

Built on the bonhomie of the Cold War era when India extended emotional and moral support to the forces fighting American military, Delhi and Hanoi have drawn closer to each other over the past decade amid China's growing aggression and ambitions in SE Asia including South China Sea (SCS) region. That he chose to visit Vietnam, a claimant in SCS, ahead of China and later Laos for East and ASEAN Summits itself has a symbolic significance.

Experts of India-Vietnam affairs, however, point out that both sides prefer to keep key strands of the strategic partnership under wraps to avoid reaction from Beijing. While India is not militarily active in South China Sea (SCS) region and advocates peaceful resolution, Delhi has asserted that it favours rules based global order based on UNCLOS and against unilateral actions after the Arbitration Court in Hague on July 12 dismissed Beijing's historical claims in SCS in a case vis a vis Philippines.

India has been advocating Freedom of Navigation in international waters including SCS --key sea lane of communication for substantial part of India's global trade. It may be recalled Vietnam is the only country in the region whose military has experience of fighting China in late 1970s, 1980s and again in mid 1990s over territorial matters including claims in SCS.

 

[Viet]

Miss Nguyen Thi Huyen, a showbiz beauty visits Spratlys

 

[Viet]

Far from home

Paying tribute for soldiers who were killed by the chinese on Gac Ma Island.

 

[BoQ77]

Nguyen Thi Huyen is a Haiphong-born Miss of Vietnam.
If you study more, you would find that most of brave Captain of Vietnam Navy, CG, ... are Haiphong-born

 

[Viet]

Nguyen Thi Huyen is a Haiphong-born Miss of Vietnam.
If you study more, you would find that most of brave Captain of Vietnam Navy, CG, ... are Haiphong-born

Come on what is your point, Haiphong girls are most beautiful? Saigon girls may have the opposite view. Haiphong may produce the most captains but Nghe An is the political heart where many top politicians come from.

By the way, there is a saying, most beautiful girls come from Can Tho

 

[Carlosa]

DHC-6 Twin Otter visiting Spratly island

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam might soon announce its approval for BrahMos

BrahMos Missile Sale to Vietnam will Boost India’s role in Fight against China
By Arthur Dominic Villasanta | Aug 28, 2016

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...ale-vietnam-will-boost-india-s-role-fight.htm

India is poised to leverage Vietnam's upcoming purchase of its BrahMos supersonic cruise missile -- the fastest in the world -- into a strategic advantage that will make it a major player in the maritime crisis pitting China against practically all of Asia.

American sources say Vietnam might soon announce its approval of a deal to purchase an undetermined number of anti-ship BrahMos missile systems to be mounted on warships of the Vietnam People's Navy (VPN). China is strongly opposed to the deal.

Vietnam has had its eye on BrahMos for the past five years but was constantly rebuffed in its efforts to acquire the missile by the government of former Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that was wary of offending China.

Singh's successor, Narendra Modi, however, has made the strategic decision standing up to China is in India's best interests and approved the sale of BrahMos last June. Vietnam's communist government has apparently approved the purchase and now only has to reveal it to the public.

Experts said the ship-based BrahMos missile system will arm the VPN's two Russian-made Gepard 3.9-class frigates, its most modern. Two more Gepards are under construction while two more are planned. The Gepards are currently armed with Russian-made Kh-35 Uran-E anti-ship missiles. BrahMos might also be mounted on some of the VPN's 11 corvettes.

The VPN's main weapon against the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), however, are its five Improved Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines made in Russia.

Analysts surmise India might cultivate an alliance with Vietnam to counterbalance China, which is increasingly encroaching on the Indian Ocean. Closer military ties between Vietnam and India might not be opposed by Russia, the main military supplier of both nations.

These ties, however, might complicate or derail Moscow's growing military partnership with China. Whichever outcome will favor India, which is also contending with increasing Chinese assertiveness along the disputed Line of Actual Control, the 4,000 kilometer-long border dividing both countries on the Asian mainland.

India is also angered at China's military assistance to arch-rival Pakistan and was alarmed when Chinese submarines docked at Sri Lanka just off the coast of India.

BrahMos was developed by BrahMos Aerospace, a joint venture between Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia and India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO)

BrahMos is based on the Russian P-800 Oniks cruise missile. The name BrahMos is derived from the names of two rivers, the Brahmaputra in India and the Moskva in Russia.

India has also been strengthening its military ties with Vietnam. It's supplying Vietnam with offshore patrol boats under a $100 million credit line, its largest overseas military aid package yet.

By pushing international sales of the sought after BrahMos, India is effectively thumbing its nose at China, which warned India the sale of the missiles to China's enemies is "destabilizing."

Modi has ordered BrahMos Aerospace, which produces the missiles, to speed-up sales to a list of five countries topped by Vietnam. The others countries in the list are Indonesia, South Africa, Chile and Brazil. Indonesia is also involved in the squabble over the South China Sea.

"Policymakers in Delhi were long constrained by the belief that advanced defense cooperation with Washington or Hanoi could provoke aggressive and undesirable responses from Beijing," said Jeff Smith, Director of Asian Security Programs at the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington.

"Prime Minister Modi and his team of advisers have essentially turned that thinking on its head, concluding that stronger defense relationships with the U.S., Japan, and Vietnam actually put India on stronger footing in its dealings with China."

Courtesy of ahok321, Indian forum https://defence.pk/threads/vietnam-might-soon-announce-its-approval-for-brahmos.446458/

 

[Carlosa]

This is what was said in the Indian thread by a man that has insider information (Parikrama). This would be one hell of a modification for the Gepard, but oh well......

"What i understand is it will be first a combination for Brahmos and Kh35 UranE for the boats The missiles will have a mix of AshM and LACM."

He also said:
folks in Vietnam government had informally requested for a modified Block III but actually its known as Block IV as per developmental block chart for India. Its a LACM variant with steep dive, GPS, GLONASS, IRNSS capable with a surround capability to hit post steep diving to well protected deep sites . In simple words, its designed for bases where HV stuff is much deeper inside and protected by natural formations be it mountain or a submarine base. This one is a true blue 550 km+ in Hi-Med profile and a overall 600 km above in all hi hi flight path.

Unfortunately, owing to MTCR restrictions i dont think this will be accepted. On top, Block IV planned production and deployments is already tied up with IA for some good time.

You folks might get Brahmos -A the air launched version for Su 30 MK2s instead of the requested LACM. That will be more easier.

It all will depend over time and success of Brahmos A launch test (twin for land and moving ship) later this year.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/vietnam-...roval-for-brahmos.446458/page-2#ixzz4Ii0HkdFf

 

[Silent Knight]

I'm not looking forward to the air-launched and surface-launched BrahMos. We have other plans for the Su-30MK2V and surface ships.

 

[Carlosa]

I'm not looking forward to the air-launched and surface-launched BrahMos. We have other plans for the Su-30MK2V and surface ships.

Its all quite strange, but the thing about adding the missiles to the Gepard would be quite amazing, but the thing is, this guy does have insider information, he is very well known for that. Some things can be his opinion, but when he is talking about what he heard, that should be quite credible, we'll see.

 

[Viet]

This is what was said in the Indian thread by a man that has insider information (Parikrama). This would be one hell of a modification for the Gepard, but oh well......

"What i understand is it will be first a combination for Brahmos and Kh35 UranE for the boats The missiles will have a mix of AshM and LACM."

He also said:
folks in Vietnam government had informally requested for a modified Block III but actually its known as Block IV as per developmental block chart for India. Its a LACM variant with steep dive, GPS, GLONASS, IRNSS capable with a surround capability to hit post steep diving to well protected deep sites . In simple words, its designed for bases where HV stuff is much deeper inside and protected by natural formations be it mountain or a submarine base. This one is a true blue 550 km+ in Hi-Med profile and a overall 600 km above in all hi hi flight path.

Unfortunately, owing to MTCR restrictions i dont think this will be accepted. On top, Block IV planned production and deployments is already tied up with IA for some good time.

You folks might get Brahmos -A the air launched version for Su 30 MK2s instead of the requested LACM. That will be more easier.

It all will depend over time and success of Brahmos A launch test (twin for land and moving ship) later this year.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/vietnam-...roval-for-brahmos.446458/page-2#ixzz4Ii0HkdFf

MTCR restrictions are voluntary. moreover, the agreement is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology. In theory India can export long range brahmos and ballistic missiles to Vietnam. but to get both Kh-35 and brahmos on Gepard we will need to modify and enlarge the body of the ship a bit, I believe.

http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html

I'm not looking forward to the air-launched and surface-launched BrahMos. We have other plans for the Su-30MK2V and surface ships.

come on, can you reveal more. brahmos on Su-30 bomber and on the new mystery 4,000 tons warship waiting for approval?

 

[Carlosa]

MTCR restrictions are voluntary. moreover, the agreement is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology. In theory India can export long range brahmos and ballistic missiles to Vietnam. but to get both Kh-35 and brahmos on Gepard we will need to modify and enlarge the body of the ship a bit, I believe.

http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html


come on, can you reveal more. brahmos on Su-30 bomber and on the new mystery 4,000 tons warship waiting for approval?

Adding a Brahmos VLS to an existing Gepard is one hell of a modification, I'm not sure about that.

 

[Viet]

Adding a Brahmos VLS to an existing Gepard is one hell of a modification, I'm not sure about that.
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I think it is unpractical, time consuming and expensive to modify the existing 4 Gepards, adding Brahmos. I am pretty sure the next 2 Gepard will carry Kalibr. The best way for the Navy is to get ToT from the bear (negotiation may be challenging), building the ships we need at our shipyards. The new Ba Son should be capable to build the Gepard. Once we have access to technology and acquire capability, modifying and enlarging gepard for Brahmos could be done.

We need more surface warships. More frigates and hopefully soon destroyers.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

This is what was said in the Indian thread by a man that has insider information (Parikrama). This would be one hell of a modification for the Gepard, but oh well......

"What i understand is it will be first a combination for Brahmos and Kh35 UranE for the boats The missiles will have a mix of AshM and LACM."

He also said:
folks in Vietnam government had informally requested for a modified Block III but actually its known as Block IV as per developmental block chart for India. Its a LACM variant with steep dive, GPS, GLONASS, IRNSS capable with a surround capability to hit post steep diving to well protected deep sites . In simple words, its designed for bases where HV stuff is much deeper inside and protected by natural formations be it mountain or a submarine base. This one is a true blue 550 km+ in Hi-Med profile and a overall 600 km above in all hi hi flight path.

Unfortunately, owing to MTCR restrictions i dont think this will be accepted. On top, Block IV planned production and deployments is already tied up with IA for some good time.

You folks might get Brahmos -A the air launched version for Su 30 MK2s instead of the requested LACM. That will be more easier.

It all will depend over time and success of Brahmos A launch test (twin for land and moving ship) later this year.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/vietnam-...roval-for-brahmos.446458/page-2#ixzz4Ii0HkdFf

One need to understand, MTCR is just a regime, not a treaty.

Soon lot of strategic things going to sign, and I think including MRBM, Military standard navigation, Sharing of SOSUS data, launching military standard communication sats and early warning sat( IR based ) for ballistic missile launch.