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like i said in other treads, Vietnam is the only country in SCS dispute with China that also shares a boarder on land, if anything, it will be so easily for us to launch retaliation on land,

Trust me, we are very well equipped for a 2 million (active service) strong army,
Around one million can be mobilized to our southern boarder within a day or two

we also account for a third of your economy, (i don't have the statistics vice versa, but you get the picture)

maybe it is time for Vietnam to calm down..

Another chinese wearing the pink glasses and day dreaming.

"Around one million can be mobilized to our southern boarder within a day or two".
That's the most rediculous thing I've heard in a very long time, only in your dreams.

You will have 6 Kilo subs in standoff against China's 20 SSNs and 50 AIP subs by 2020.

That's your best option.

I'll believe those numbers when I see them.
 
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I'll believe those numbers when I see them.

lol, we build our nuclear/AIP subs much faster than your acquisition of the Kilo subs.

We have 13 Type 039A AIP subs, but now we have already deployed the much more advanced Type 039C AIP subs.

We have multiple production lines, so you cannot match our building speed.

China's new Yuan-class sub seen preparing for sea trials - IHS Jane's 360

6 Kilo versus 13 of our first gen AIP Type 039A, not mentioning the same number of the Type 039B, and the commissioning Type 039C. What a pity for Vietnam's peanut navy.
 
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lol, we build our nuclear/AIP subs much faster than your acquisition of the Kilo subs.

We have 13 Type 039A AIP subs, but now we have already deployed the much more advanced Type 039C AIP subs.

We have multiple production lines, so you cannot match our building speed.

China's new Yuan-class sub seen preparing for sea trials - IHS Jane's 360

6 Kilo versus 13 of our first gen AIP Type 039A, not mentioning the same number of the Type 039B, and the commissioning Type 039C. What a pity for Vietnam's peanut navy.
Vietnam's peanut navy control the largest and the most important parts of SCS(east sea) when 'mighty' China is very hard to find on Spratly map , maybe they use their 'mighty' subs to control the Spratly, thats why it hard to see them there :lol:
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you are welcome to give some facts to proof i am wrong.

During the oil rig situation China started to move forces to the border with Vietnam and it happened very, very slowly, they took weeks to move 2 brigades, so your claim is total nonsense. Show me some proof that china has that ability, you made the claim after all.
 
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hmmm...I don´t read any agreement of delivering brahmos missiles. perhaps at later stage.

India tightens Vietnam defence, oil ties ahead of China's Xi Jinping's visit
Reuters | Sep 16, 2014, 10.32 AM IST

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President Pranab Mukherjee being welcomed on his arrival at Hanoi International Airport on Sunday | PTI

NEW DELHI: India extended a $100 million export credit to Vietnam for defence deals and tightened energy ties on Monday, signaling a more confident foreign policy ahead of a visit this week by China's President Xi Jinping.

India's new accords with one of China's rivals for influence in the South China Sea came as Xi visited the nearby islands of Sri Lanka and the Maldives, a reminder of the geostrategic jostling that is becoming an increasing feature in Asia.

During a visit to Vietnam by President Pranab Mukherjee, the two countries said in a joint statement that the credit line would open new opportunities for defence cooperation and that details of what Vietnam would buy were being finalised.

"The leaders agreed that defence and security cooperation was an important pillar of the strategic partnership between the two countries," the statement said.

They also agreed to "consolidate" energy cooperation following a 2013 agreement under which PetroVietnam offered India's ONGC oil and gas blocks for exploration and production.

India and Vietnam have deepened military cooperation over the past decade and under Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India is pushing ahead with a new strategy to establish itself as an arms exporter using export credits to leverage foreign sales.

The money may help slow-moving talks to sell Brahmos cruise missiles to Hanoi.

Vietnam is building a naval deterrent to China with Kilo class submarines from Russia and it would like to add India's missile technology to its defences.

India and Vietnam have both traditionally depended heavily on their mutual Cold War partner Russia for military knowhow. The Brahmos itself was developed with Russian help.

READ ALSO: India, Vietnam ink seven agreements


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(President Pranab Mukherjee reviews a guard of honour with Vietnamese counterpart Truong Tan Sang during a welcoming ceremony at the Presidential Palace in Hanoi. Photo: Reuters)

Regional competition

Carl Thayer, an expert on Vietnam's military at the Australian Defence Force Academy in Canberra, said he believed Vietnam was seeking India's ship attack variants of the missile.

Indian tests showed the supersonic cruise missile could be successfully fired from ships, which matched Hanoi's goal of creating a meaningful deterrent against China.

"This is leading-edge technology that would further complicate the ability of the Chinese navy to operate off the Vietnamese coast with impunity, particularly in the south of the South China Sea," Thayer said.

"The Vietnamese do not want to be in a situation where they wake up one morning and discover the Chinese navy has surrounded one of its bases in the Spratlys," he said, referring to a disputed island chain.


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(President Pranab Mukherjee adjusts a wreath during a wreath-laying ceremony at the War Martyrs Monument in Hanoi. Photo: Reuters)

Business is growing fast between India and China, but the rising powers' ties are also defined by competition for energy and regional clout, as well as a border dispute that led to war 50 years ago.

Long insecure about China's strength, India elected Modi in May partly because of his promises to build an economically strong nation that could hold its own on the world stage.

The timing of Mukherjee's visit to Vietnam may not have been planned to coincide with Xi's South Asia tour, but it underlined India's new twin track diplomacy, foreign policy analyst C Raja Mohan wrote in a newspaper on Monday.

"Much like China, which does not limit its strategic relationship with Pakistan because of Indian concerns, the Modi government apparently believes it can build a partnership with Vietnam on its own merits without worrying too much about what Beijing might think," Mohan said.

Also on Mukherjee's trip, India's Jet Airways and Vietnam Airlines agreed to start flying between Delhi and Ho Chi Minh City from November 5, via Bangkok.

Xi will be in India from September 17-19.
 
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The difference between a motorized army (VPA) and an informationized army (PLA) is like the difference between a motorized army and horse cavalry. VPA simply does not have the complete network to compete.
 
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Brahmos is coming soon, lets see if type 52 can handle that.

The difference between a motorized army (VPA) and an informationized army (PLA) is like the difference between a motorized army and horse cavalry. VPA simply does not have the complete network to compete.

The Taliban also doesn't have much of a network, but they are still there and the americans are the ones that are leaving.
 
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During the oil rig situation China started to move forces to the border with Vietnam and it happened very, very slowly, they took weeks to move 2 brigades, so your claim is total nonsense. Show me some proof that china has that ability, you made the claim after all.


That makes sense, China didn't want to escalate the situation. Moving large troops to border region in short time is a sign of war, and China wasn't preparing for war against Vietnam.
 
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lol, we build our nuclear/AIP subs much faster than your acquisition of the Kilo subs.

We have 13 Type 039A AIP subs, but now we have already deployed the much more advanced Type 039C AIP subs.

We have multiple production lines, so you cannot match our building speed.

China's new Yuan-class sub seen preparing for sea trials - IHS Jane's 360

6 Kilo versus 13 of our first gen AIP Type 039A, not mentioning the same number of the Type 039B, and the commissioning Type 039C. What a pity for Vietnam's peanut navy.
can you give me any proof that chinese subs operate in the SC Sea?
 
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That makes sense, China didn't want to escalate the situation. Moving large troops to border region in short time is a sign of war, and China wasn't preparing for war against Vietnam.
That's a fair possibility, but to claim that china can move 1 million men to the border in 1 or 2 days is total nonsense. The logistical effort involved is impossible to do in a short time period.
 
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Vietnamese military still used vintage US weapons in the 60's?

That's a fair possibility, but to claim that china can move 1 million men to the border in 1 or 2 days is total nonsense. The logistical effort involved is impossible to do in a short time period.



China move their troop within China, how it's possible for them to move millions troops in 2 days? Cargo plane, bus, civilian plane, buses, transport trucks? Aren't these transport system couldn't move millions troop in 1 days?
 
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as long as we are talking...there is no immediate war in sign :smokin:

VN foreign minister Minh on September 16 attended the 11th China-ASEAN Exposition (CAEXPO) and China-ASEAN Business and Investment Summit (CABIS) opening ceremony in Nanning.
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Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli (3rd R) meets with Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh in Nanning, capital of south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, Sept. 15, 2014. (Xinhua/Wang Ye)
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Ok since so many of you asked, it is called mass mobilization, which is almost drilled to perfection by PLA,

Have any of you heard of Chunyun? we move 5 millions of civilians per day during Chunyun, by rail only. and disciplined infantry can be transported much more sufficiently than civilians, plus a combined mode of transport including vast fleet of ro-ro and bulk vessel by state owned Shipping company and airlines, dont forget troops already stationed in the area, 1 million in 2 days is easy

"“With the daily improvement in China’s high-speed rail network, transferring a 100,000 person army 1,000 li [310 miles] might be possible within half a day in the future,” the report said, adding that the military will use high-speed rail to project “mobile combat forces in various strategic directions.”

Inside the Ring: China military on the rails - Washington Times

Chunyun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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China move their troop within China, how it's possible for them to move millions troops in 2 days? Cargo plane, bus, civilian plane, buses, transport trucks? Aren't these transport system couldn't move millions troop in 1 days?

Its not so simple, first they have to prepare to move and prepare all their equipment to move, that already takes a few days. Moving the men is meaningless without moving their equipment and that part is not so simple as you think. Its very clear that you have no idea of the logistical effort involved.

Ok since so many of you asked, it is called mass mobilization, which is almost drilled to perfection by PLA,

Have any of you heard of Chunyun? we move 5 millions of civilians per day during Chunyun, by rail only. and disciplined infantry can be transported much more sufficiently than civilians, plus a combined mode of transport including vast fleet of ro-ro and bulk vessel by state owned Shipping company and airlines, dont forget troops already stationed in the area, 1 million in 2 days is easy

"“With the daily improvement in China’s high-speed rail network, transferring a 100,000 person army 1,000 li [310 miles] might be possible within half a day in the future,” the report said, adding that the military will use high-speed rail to project “mobile combat forces in various strategic directions.”

Inside the Ring: China military on the rails - Washington Times

Chunyun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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We are not talking civilians here, we are talking combat troops with all their heavy equipment and supplies, can't do in 2 days, period!
 
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