Vietnam Defence Forum

[ChineseTiger1986]

china doesn't even have a AIP sub yet, but you want to sell them to Indonesia, time for you to get a grip on reality.

We have many.

Type 039A submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Carlosa]

I am not going to reply on this post. Otherwise, it is going to be off-topic again.

BTW, next time if you wanna discuss your newly purchased weapons, just stop comparing it with China's, it is utterly useless.

Vietnam is nowhere on the league to make the comparison with the mighty China.

Lets get the facts clear, you are the one that keeps intruding in the vietnamese thread and start making comparisons, not us.

Why you don't stay with your chinese buddies in the chinese threads and stop interfering in our business?

 

[Viet]

It is hard for Vietnam to become the strongest naval power in SEA, since many other nations are larger than you.

If we sell the Type 052 series destroyers and the AIP subs to Indonesia, then you can never become the strongest navy in SEA.

well, if you want to sell destroyers and subs to Indo then do it. I am not aware that Indonesia is our enemy? let ask @madokafc

imbalance of power at sea? when was the last time you checked the balance of power on land? we don't even need our Navy for Vietnam.

it is very unlikely that China starts a ground invasion into Vietnam.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

well, if you want to sell destroyers and subs to Indo then do it. I am not aware that Indonesia is our enemy? let ask @madokafc

You can ask the US to donate their nearly retired Arleigh Burke Flight I by 2020.

But I doubt that they will give you for free. Meanwhile, you will heavily depend on the US in order to operate these ships.

 

[sicsheep]

it is very unlikely that China starts a ground invasion into Vietnam.

Why not? you thought that in 1979

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

My mistake, I had miss that one. A copy of the Kilo of course and a AIP pirated from Sweden as usual, mighty china doesn't seem to be able to come up with its own technology. Always the mighty copycat.

BTW, stop the off-topic trolling, we have even much newer AIP model such as the Type 039C which are under the deployment phase, many Type 039B are already deployed.

Our AIP subs are usually large, some are even close to the size of the LA class SSN. So we don't copy at all.

Think about how your Kilo could survive against the onslaught of our much more superior sub fleet.

 

[Carlosa]

BTW, stop the off-topic trolling, we have even much newer AIP model such as the Type 039C which are under the deployment phase, many Type 039B are already deployed.

Our AIP subs are usually large, some are even close to the size of the LA class SSN. So we don't copy at all.

Think about how your Kilo could survive against the onslaught of our much more superior sub fleet.

The onslaught of noisy chinese subs since they can't even copy the russian work very well. You keep wearing the pink glasses.

 

[Viet]

Why not? you thought that in 1979

sure, everything is possible including ground and arial assaults. but considering we "only" have sea dispute, so the likelyhood of a confrontation at sea is higher than other scenarios.

we are pouring most of the funds to navy and airforce. look at our tanks, they are from the soviet times

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The onslaught of noisy chinese subs since they can't even copy the russian work very well. You keep wearing the pink glasses.

Our subs are not noisy at all. The Indian navy didn't even notice the presence of our SSN in the Indian Ocean until we told them.

Do you think that your capability to detect the subs is better than the Indian navy?

Exclusive: Indian Navy headless as Chinese nuclear sub prowls Indian Ocean : North, News - India Today

 

[Viet]

You can ask the US to donate their nearly retired Arleigh Burke Flight I by 2020.

But I doubt that they will give you for free. Meanwhile, you will heavily depend on the US in order to operate these ships.

you can calculate that we carry out secret talks in America. our aim is how to convince uncle sam to fund our military build-up. vietnam should be seen as Israel of Asia. $2-3 billions a year, and we can afford new toys
today we depend too much on Russia as weapons provider. that is not healthy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

you can calculate that we carry out secret talks in America. our aim is how to convince uncle sam to fund our military build-up. vietnam should be seen as Israel of Asia. $2-3 billions a year, and we can afford new toys
today we depend too much on Russia as weapons provider. that is not healthy.

I truly hope you can get the AB Flight I from the USN, since these old white elephants will eat up all your puny budget quickly.

BTW, you can't even assemble the AB class like Japan and South Korea, since your shipbuilding capability is nowhere near to their level.

Even Japan and South Korea cannot build their own AB class destroyer without the help from the USN.

 

[Carlosa]

you can calculate that we carry out secret talks in America. our aim is how to convince uncle sam to fund our military build-up. vietnam should be seen as Israel of Asia. $2-3 billions a year, and we can afford new toys
today we depend too much on Russia as weapons provider. that is not healthy.

No need, that's not big money, VN can come up with its own and shop for the best that is available.

 

[sicsheep]

sure, everything is possible including ground and arial assaults. but considering we "only" have sea dispute, so the likelyhood of a confrontation at sea is higher than other scenarios.

we are pouring most of the funds to navy and airforce. look at our tanks, they are from the soviet times

like i said in other treads, Vietnam is the only country in SCS dispute with China that also shares a boarder on land, if anything, it will be so easily for us to launch retaliation on land,

Trust me, we are very well equipped for a 2 million (active service) strong army,
Around one million can be mobilized to our southern boarder within a day or two

we also account for a third of your economy, (i don't have the statistics vice versa, but you get the picture)

maybe it is time for Vietnam to calm down..

 

[Carlosa]

There are rumors that VN is going to send pilots to India to train in the new SU-30SM with Brahmos. The SU-30SM is one of the 3 choices that VN is considering for the next order, the others being the SU-34 and the SU-35.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No need, that's not big money, VN can come up with its own and shop for the best that is available.

You will have 6 Kilo subs in standoff against China's 20 SSNs and 50 AIP subs by 2020.

That's your best option.