Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Ahhh...are you sure?
Whatever whoever whichever he or she or bi...

Why guys have to use girl pics for their avatars? Can't trust anything these days.....

 

[NiceGuy]

I suggest Vietnam give up building it's military, it's waste of money, whatever they build, it's gonna get destroyed. The more they spend on gun power, the less will be left for its civilians. They should spend money on education and infrastructure.

That would be the idea scenario. If I was leader of vietnam I would cut military budget by 50%, apologize to China and develop better relationship with China. Essentially I will be a good boy and reap rewards as China becomes stronger. When China becomes stronger, a good boy Vietnam will also become stronger.

Dude, u should know that VNese just think u guys as cheap clowns always try to piss us off, we never think u r strong nation. Thats why we killed up to 21 Chinese illegal workers in the last riots and we know u dare not do any thing to us bcz China have no US daddy back up like in 1979.

In 1979, VN-China used same weapon, but China army still sustained high casualties and had to withdraw after few weeks , so, even VN-CHina still use same kind of Russia weapon now, but we still win bcz our people is good at fighting when even ur elite PLA is not, they willing to surrender to VN women militia to save their lives.

As long as US daddy refuse to support u like in 1979, then u have No chance to win VN. Keep pissing us off only bring more riots to China companies in VN and more Chinese get killed

 

[Edison Chen]

Ooops, I thought Edison was a cute girl, but turned out to be a boy........time to edit my post.

I thought my avatar is a guy, why do you think he is a girl? Look, this is me.

The Vietnamese are too greedy? I think you've been listening to chinese government propaganda a bit too much.

Does it make sense to you that small, far weaker countries like vietnam and phillippines will risk a military conflict with china because they are "too greedy"? Do you ever think that maybe the big, powerful country is the greedy one? Isn't that the way it usually works?

When you look at the map with the 9 dash lines and you see those lines right next to the malaysian and phillippino coastlines does that makes sense to you? Does it look like those countries are "greedy"? or maybe the dash lines represent the greed? Do you think its a coincidence that no country in the planet supports the 9 dash line? I would think that you are smart enough to figure that out.

Funny, when I go to china and talk to chinese people they always say that the chinese government is very bad and they don't believe anything they say, but if the government line is about nationalism and territory, oops..... now the government can be believed. I guess the sheep loves to follow the shepherd sometimes.



Vietnam did exactly what you said, they followed the korean "chabol" model with their state owned enterprises, but the results were just the opposite. Vietnam and Korea are 2 different creatures, what works in one does not necessarily work on the other.

When talking about the national interest especially on this forum, we are quite patriotic. When back in China forum, we criticize our government very hard.

 

[Edison Chen]

Dude, u should know that VNese just think u guys as cheap clowns always try to piss us off, we never think u r strong nation. Thats why we killed up to 21 Chinese illegal workers in the last riots and we know u dare not do any thing to us bcz China have no US daddy back up like in 1979.

In 1979, VN-China used same weapon, but China army still sustained high casualties and had to withdraw after few weeks , so, even VN-CHina still use same kind of Russia weapon now, but we still win bcz our people is good at fighting when even ur elite PLA is not, they willing to surrender to VN women militia to save their lives.

As long as US daddy refuse to support u like in 1979, then u have No chance to win VN. Keep pissing us off only bring more riots to China companies in VN and more Chinese get killed

You have low level of comprehension, niceguy. I was thinking who is worse, BoQ or you.

 

[55100864]

Looks so familiar, r u the LOL game guy?

I thought my avatar is a guy, why do you think he is a girl? Look, this is me.

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[Edison Chen]

Looks so familiar, r u the LOL game guy?

Hahaha, yes, the OMG guy, i'm a big fan

 

[55100864]

Hahaha, yes, the OMG guy, i'm a big fan

So u r not him? Come on, tell me the truth, I will keep silent.

 

[Edison Chen]

So u r not him? Come on, tell me the truth, I will keep silent.

I'm not, but how I wish I was his level of playing!

 

[Jlaw]

Actually, Vietnam has been a very good boy to china in the last few decades. The pro china faction in the vietnamese government made sure about that. They have placed relations with their brotherly comrades in the north above their national interest, but that didn't work out very well for Vietnam, did it?

Now there is probably going to be a change of direction and china will only have itself to blame if the vietnamese invite the americans in.



Actually, you are quite soft and moderate for chinese standards, quite nice.



All those investments in casinos, resorts, etc are private investments, mostly foreign. Actually, the government gets revenue from those operations, but no worries, the government has plenty of other unneeded projects such as ports and airports that don't ever get used, etc. If there are "black envelops" a project can surely be created.

Being a good boy and provoking and interfering in our affairs? Two face, You guys are not in the same league as the big boys. Leave the game playing to us. We know your two face tactics bdcause we taught you.
i hear too many viet guys like you wanting to get US on your side, Sure if you guys become democratic, allow US base in your country and always listen to your new daddy.
You have to understand whether you are China's boy or US' boy, you will always have a daddy who will spank you if you get out of hand. I hope you guys succeed in getting US on your side because I want to see you guys submitting to your new daddy who will love you long time--or until they realize trade with China is more important than fighting for your hopeless bunch.

 

[Viet]

Jlaw, you can´t intimidate us. Try harder! We only care of our business.

Ha Long Ship shipyard will build 12 more of such ships (2,000 tons) for the Vietnam Fisheries Resources Surveillance.

4 of a total 30,000 steel fishing vessels are completed, built by SBIC shipyard.

3 of 53-meter Fast Supply and Intervention Vessel (FSIV) for SUISSE OUTREMER AG, built by PIRIOU shipyard (Vietnam).

2 service ships (76 m, 12,000 hp) will be built by Dung Quat shipyard for Vietsovpetro.

 

[Carlosa]

I thought my avatar is a guy, why do you think he is a girl? Look, this is me.

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When talking about the national interest especially on this forum, we are quite patriotic. When back in China forum, we criticize our government very hard.

Sorry man, in that little picture I got the feeling that you were a girl.

 

[Carlosa]

Being a good boy and provoking and interfering in our affairs? Two face, You guys are not in the same league as the big boys. Leave the game playing to us. We know your two face tactics bdcause we taught you.
i hear too many viet guys like you wanting to get US on your side, Sure if you guys become democratic, allow US base in your country and always listen to your new daddy.
You have to understand whether you are China's boy or US' boy, you will always have a daddy who will spank you if you get out of hand. I hope you guys succeed in getting US on your side because I want to see you guys submitting to your new daddy who will love you long time--or until they realize trade with China is more important than fighting for your hopeless bunch.

Provocation and interference exactly defines how world opinion see the chinese actions in the south china sea, vietnamese are hardly alone on those views, myself, I'm Spanish and when I talk about this to my american and european friends, the opinion about chinese actions are quite unanimous. Only chinese fall for the government line out of a false sense of patriotism, they allow themselves to get used by their own government, a pity really.

By the way, the last time that daddy tried to spank VN in 1979 didn't workout too well for china, did it?

 

[Viet]

Good article, but I wouldn't put much weight on their numbers for flankers, its not up to date.
Vietnam has 36 Flankers, not 40, 40 was the original number ordered, but 4 SU-27 were lost in accidents so the present number is 36:
12 SU-27
4 SU-30MKK
20 SU-30MK2

Vietnam has another 12 SU-30MK2 on order and there are rumors of an order for 12 SU-34 in which case it would be 24 on order but have to wait for confirmation.

I'm looking forward for some SU-35's in the near future.......

4 went lost? what a fcking loss!
Yes, SU-35s will fit perfectly into Vietnam airforce doctrine. We need more modern jets urgently, but the Russians work at turtle speed, too slow

 

[Carlosa]

I thought my avatar is a guy, why do you think he is a girl? Look, this is me.

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When talking about the national interest especially on this forum, we are quite patriotic. When back in China forum, we criticize our government very hard.

Edison, you seem to be quite an smart man, why do you think that national interest should include empire building at the expense of other countries? The time of empires already passed, in the 21st century the new modality of empire is domination by financial and cultural means, USA is the best example of that and china was doing a good job at it until Mr. Xi came along and started empire building by means of aggression and force; that way of doing things will be the downfall of china, everybody will unite against china and china will lose in the end. Chinese people need to open their eyes before its too late, they are on a path to disaster.

4 went lost? what a fcking loss!
Yes, SU-35s will fit perfectly into Vietnam airforce doctrine. We need more modern jets urgently, but the Russians work at turtle speed, too slow

Keep in mind that those SU-27's have been around for many years.

Actually, when it comes to aircraft, the Russians are delivering in quite ok timing, the ships is where they take forever. VN ordered 12 SU-30's last year and they are getting 4 this year and 8 next year, that's considered quite ok.

Its up to VN to make the decision to order the SU-35, its available for orders; hopefully soon.
What I've heard in the mp forum is that VN plans to order 12 SU-34's and 12 SU-35's, we'll see.

 

[Carlosa]

Amigo Viet, an idea for you or someone else reading this; Wikipedia has a nice page about the Vietnamese coast guard listing all the ships, etc, but the page for the Fisheries Department Surveillance Force is very basic and doesn't list anything. It would be nice if someone can make a table with the listing of ships like in the coast guard page. I can edit those listings but I can't make one from scratch. That would be a nice little project. I also see that you pick up good info about the new ships and I guess you get it from the vietnamese press, that's something I can't do since I can't read vietnamese, so I think you could be the right guy for that project if you are interested. Just a suggestion.

Here is the url: Vietnam Fisheries Resources Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia