VC complaint on azaan: IG bans loudspeakers between 10 pm and 6 am

[magra]

Still better to pray at something visible rather than air.

I don’t know if one day celebration is evil (Going by the same logic even Christmas, Diwali, Guru Nanak Jayanti every celebration is evil).
Though I agree with the former that yes BIG EVIL should be halted with immediate effect

What I meant was a complete ban on loudspeakers and excessive noise at night (10 PM to 6 AM) on all days irrespective of occassion. Also ban the use of such firecrackers that produce a lot of noise.

In US, which is predominant Christian country, you dont hear any loud noise at night on Christmas.

Celebration (which involves noise) during day time with adequate permission is acceptable.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

Loudspeaker should be banned for all religious places be it mosque or temples. You want to pray that's fine but do not disturb others.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Still better to pray at something visible rather than air.

thats funny. in your own books God says not to idol worship.

 

[jamahir]

what exactly is your family background? sunni, shia, qadiyani, etc?

Sunni.

What is wrong with you? You don't need to justify how much or little you pray to another guy, least of all a Pakistani.

Sincere thanks for the support. I was trying to make him understand.

but he did, and now i can test his philosophy.

But before we test my philosophy do a google search for why the Lal Chowk in Srinagar - Indian Kashmir - is called so.

And give time to read this thread of mine from 2016 :

the comfortable muslims of yesteryears and the pious muslims of now

Islamic Socialism: A history from left to right Nadeem F. Paracha — Published Feb 21, 2013 07:40am Between the 1950s and early 1970s, a powerful ideology in the Muslim world galvanised itself from the minds and fringes of modern Islamic intellectualism and made its way into the mainstream...

defence.pk

I have made an effort of posting that long article.

You seem to be upset because of modi .first thing first can you show one statement or a law he passed which is against muslims,just one will do.

His colleagues have, or are in the process of. "Love Jihad" ( law against Muslims ) and "Mass conversion" ( law against Dalits ).

Who is the alternative.

Kanhaiya, Shehla, Umar and even Kancha Ilaiah.

And before you start crying about the video being an ISI-Khangress-CIA-Vatican-Naxalite hoax

CIA can be removed from the list.

Still better to pray at something visible rather than air.

Hi, I do not pray but have a simple question. Do you know of anyone who has gone to heaven, returned and described how God / Gods look like ?

 

[Desi_Guy]

Sunni.



Sincere thanks for the support. I was trying to make him understand.



But before we test my philosophy do a google search for why the Lal Chowk in Srinagar - Indian Kashmir - is called so.

And give time to read this thread of mine from 2016 :

the comfortable muslims of yesteryears and the pious muslims of now

Islamic Socialism: A history from left to right Nadeem F. Paracha — Published Feb 21, 2013 07:40am Between the 1950s and early 1970s, a powerful ideology in the Muslim world galvanised itself from the minds and fringes of modern Islamic intellectualism and made its way into the mainstream...

defence.pk

I have made an effort of posting that long article.



His colleagues have, or are in the process of. "Love Jihad" ( law against Muslims ) and "Mass conversion" ( law against Dalits ).



Kanhaiya, Shehla, Umar and even Kancha Ilaiah.



CIA can be removed from the list.



Hi, I do not pray but have a simple question. Do you know of anyone who has gone to heaven, returned and described how God / Gods look like ?

Good to see another mate who doesn’t waste his /her time praying (Praying to seek heaven, yet while on their time in earth reside to acts like lying, eye teasing, disrespecting parents etc). Extremely hard to find such breeds in the religion of ultimate peace.
I too have a simple question for you kiddo.........Have you seen/felt/smelt/fought etc etc anything called god???
Is dunia mein na.........Allah/Bhagwan Ka sabse zyada name lene vaale road pe bheek maangte hai.......

 

[jamahir]

Good to see another mate who doesn’t waste his /her time praying (Praying to seek heaven, yet while on their time in earth reside to acts like lying, eye teasing, disrespecting parents etc).

Yes, that dichotomy. Fervently praying people can be gangsters.

Extremely hard to find such breeds in the religion of ultimate peace.

There were quite a few until a few decades ago. That is why I call myself an old sort of Muslim. Read that thread I linked in my previous post.

I too have a simple question for you kiddo.........Have you seen/felt/smelt/fought etc etc anything called god???

No.

Allah/Bhagwan Ka sabse zyada name lene vaale road pe bheek maangte hai.......

True, and their pleadings in the name of God do not obtain them material comfort.

But let us get off this track of discussion because such discussions are banned according to forum rules.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Sunni.

and what does the sunni madhab say about those that abandon salah?

But before we test my philosophy do a google search for why the Lal Chowk in Srinagar - Indian Kashmir - is called so.

i read it. socialism and islam compatibility has been debunked to death.

 

[jamahir]

i read it.

You read such a long article so soon ?

socialism and islam compatibility has been debunked to death.

By who ? The Tablighi Jamaat ?

 

[Iltutmish]

By who ? The Tablighi Jamaat ?

For the love of god, don’t mix up this filth with our religion. Socialism cannot be Islamic. Islam guarantees individual property rights and high taxation isn’t considered as something good. Check out Ibn Khaldun on Islam and capitalism. Even Reagan (he mixed up the centuries though, ibn khaldun was born in the 14th century) was a fan of him!

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

You read such a long article so soon ?

you linked it yesterday.

By who ? The Tablighi Jamaat ?

literally anyone that can read a Quran, let alone a scholar.

Sunni.

and what does the sunni madhab say about those that abandon prayer? what does the Quran and Sunnah say about it?

 

[jamahir]

and high taxation isn’t considered as something good.

When did I speak in favor of high taxation ? Or taxation even ?

Islam guarantees individual property rights

But estate / property / means of production becoming a Commons, something to be managed by the system on behalf of the people, this I think is a natural evolution of Islam. We must allow evolution to happen.

I will give you the example of India. The Indian courts, from the bottom level to the Supreme Court, have 30+ million cases pending. Many will be about property disputes and many of these will be in dispute for decades. Some of the disputees will be Muslims who will have been unsatisfied by the judgement of their qazis and so will have gone to the civil courts. It is estimated that India would require thousands of judges more to make judgement for these cases.

I ask you, if property / estate would have been made a public resource in the first place would most of those 30+ million even existed ? Would the unnecessary social disharmony have existed ?

Read the below.

you linked it yesterday.

Yet you missed the below ?

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

and what does the sunni madhab say about those that abandon prayer?

You are fixated upon prayer and ritual. You have not made a single post that is not about prayer and ritualism, that is about the other important aspects about Islam which make Islam different from say Hinduism.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Read the below.
Yet you missed the below ?

i already said its been debunked to death. the reason you are what you are and have poor islamic knowledge is because of how you were raised.

You are fixated upon prayer and ritual.

what does Allah say about those that abandon prayer?

other important aspects about Islam which make Islam different from say Hinduism.

forget about the other more complex aspects of islam for now. property rights and whatnot is not even close to the importance of prayer. so what does Allah say about those that abandon prayer?

 

[jamahir]

forget about the other more complex aspects of islam for now. property rights and whatnot is not even close to the importance of prayer. so what does Allah say about those that abandon prayer?

Why forget about those ? And those are not "complex" matters. You simply want to leave the more important parts of Islam to the perverted interpretation of misguided mullahs.

So for you, Islam's actual differences from other religions doesn't matter.

You want to fanatically know what Allah says about those not praying but you don't want to acknowledge say what Allah says about how a marriage is arranged.

Even a mafia don will pray five times a day. Should that make him acceptable to society ?

Like I suggested yesterday you would make a wonderful Brahmin. Go pray to your heart's content seven times a day. You are not a true Muslim.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Why forget about those ?

i said to leave it for now, we can come back to it later. unlike you i value all of islam, not parts of it.

You simply want to leave the more important parts of Islam to the perverted interpretation of misguided mullahs.

property rights are more important than prayer? is property rights more important than the testimony of faith (la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah)?

You want to fanatically know what Allah says about those not praying but you don't want to acknowledge say what Allah says about how a marriage is arranged.

oh course i want to know, and do know. but is this more important than the testimony of faith (la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah)?

Even a mafia don will pray five times a day. Should that make him acceptable to society ?

again, is prayer more important than say property rights in islam?

You are not a true Muslim.

does Allah say those that abandon the salah are muslims or not?

 

[jamahir]

again, is prayer more important than say property rights in islam?

Again, a mafia don who fervently, duly prays five times a day is okay for you but a communist who doesn't pray and believes in just rights for all is not acceptable for you.

People like you pray duly in hope of nice treatment in heaven ( after death ) but make life hell for others while you are among the living.

I won't be surprised if you are a TJ member or at least are a sympathizer.