Used F16's - EDA 50 ~ 100 Available

[Khafee]

@MastanKhan @Oscar @araz

Nobody has mentioned the wild card - Gen Mattis. He is a doer, not a talker. How is his relationship with Pakistan? What would be his vote, yay or nay, for the EDA a/c's?

 

[SQ8]

@MastanKhan @Oscar @araz

Nobody has mentioned the wild card - Gen Mattis. He is a doer, not a talker. How is his relationship with Pakistan? What would be his vote, yay or nay, for the EDA a/c's?

Gen Mattis's approah is pretty much the same

Carrot and stick

i have read the interviews i can find i was thinking a reinterview or even a new interview of some current/former paf officer.

The PAF has gotten a bit more online savvy and release of information is more controlled now

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

Did you find any other goodies in that shipment from UAE.

I know what you did there

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Gen Mattis's approah is pretty much the same

Carrot and stick

Bro, no diplomatic answers. In your opinion do you think he would support EDA vipers for PAF? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

 

[SQ8]

I know what you did there

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Bro, no diplomatic answers. In your opinion do you think he would support EDA vipers for PAF? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

A quick search on hus history will show he wants to maintain the relationship with the military and so his vote will be a yes- but will probably recommend some sweetener thrown to the Indians to keep their tantrums down

 

[Khafee]

A quick search on hus history will show he wants to maintain the relationship with the military and so his vote will be a yes- but will probably recommend some sweetener thrown to the Indians to keep their tantrums down

DFRM comes to mind - How PAF made it happen. I hope this time around they will be equally savvy.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Advantage of F16 Platform:
I do feel that Pakistan's inventory is really short about 60-70 F16 Units , need to be a solid 150 figure.
And EDA does offers an appropriate means to quickly ramp up the numbers and modernization effrots.
It is a cost effective solution from Pakistan's prespective as we have "Engineering base" which is comfortable maintaining this platform already. I don't think US has restricted Pakistan from Seeking out any F16 as long as we can pay for teh planes. Now EDAs are obviously a bit older technology needing and upgrade.

a) We got Engineers with knowhow on maintaining Block A/B units
b) We have a technology partner in Turkey who has done the upgrading in past
c) We haev also worked with jets upgraded in US past.


The future "Typhoon"

This is really a realistic option that we should go forward , in case the J-31 fighter jet is still not fully ready or maturing. J-31 is still not battle ready or fully inducted in Airforce (chinese). So that leaves us with a alternative direction to consider, and Typhoon fills that gap well 40-50 Unit purchase.

 

[ghazi768]

Both books I have mentioned from the well known and well respected PAF officers have mentioned the Army making in inquiry regarding air support in the sector which the PAF had warned was not available as advance notice at least 24 hours was required to activate the FOB for support and had advised the Army to not launch the operation.

Further requests during the longewala disaster were also fruitless as the only PAF aircraft in the area that could get there from masroor could only stay in the area for 5 minutes and then needed to exit.
Yet, the Army still launched this fruitless foray because of overconfidence and foolhardiness (just as with Kargil) and cost precious lives.

PAF had no naval capability at all during 71 and was helpless as such. The friendly fire incident you mentioned is the result of pilots being untrained and ill equipped to provide effective support.
All of this was also mentioned and covered in Hamood-ur-rehman commission.

There are glaring failures by the PAF and accounts of the retired tend to pass blame around, although some names of known machiavellian sycophants are repeated as key hinderances to effective operations.
Some are just the result of shuffling officers at critical times and indecisiveness by otherwise good individuals

Either way, the topic was EDA F-16s which @Khafee had brought up and their potential- makes no sense to derail it for one person's self aggrandizement.


Those interviews are available on the forum.
I know one of the gentleman by virtue of knowing a very senior B-57 pilot and being raised in that environment.
But that is irrelevant as their books cover most incidents and mentionable events in their tenures.

Yes, you are right. I do not contest that some had not made mistakes or even blunders, history of warfare is replete with mistakes and blunders. But it is not fair when some one paints every one and every thing with the same brush..

Now back to the topic, I do not see much of a chance in EDA USAF F-16s..

Although members here are now quite allergic to F-16s, but there is a case for inducting a few more block 52s. It will be good to have a 'buffer' for what block 52 offers in terms of capability.

 

[SQ8]

Yes, you are right. I do not contest that some had not made mistakes or even blunders, history of warfare is replete with mistakes and blunders. But it is not fair when some one paints every one and every thing with the same brush..

Now back to the topic, I do not see much of a chance in EDA USAF F-16s..

Although members here are now quite allergic to F-16s, but there is a case for inducting a few more block 52s. It will be good to have a 'buffer' for what block 52 offers in terms of capability.

The issue with EDA is flight hours remaining versus cost. The block-52s are fairly potent machines in the configuration we have them in and having another 18 would go a long way in boosting our strike capabilities

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

Did you find any other goodies in that shipment from UAE.

Haha no I didn't bother asking. Take care.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan @Oscar @araz

Nobody has mentioned the wild card - Gen Mattis. He is a doer, not a talker. How is his relationship with Pakistan? What would be his vote, yay or nay, for the EDA a/c's?

Hi,

The problem is not Gen Mathis---the problem is the american public---. It hates pakistan with a passion---and why---because no one stood up for pakistan to clear its position.

If the american public lit a fire under Gen Mathis behind to help pakistan---he will forget his stick and offer the carrot---. American public is the power base---. When it wants to---it dictates the generals what to do

As for the cost of the Rafale being too high---. Internet generation lives the Lalaland---.

My buddy Nazim a jamiat Karachi university Saifuddin---paid between $8400 for an AK47 aftar Salamullah Tipu executed Hafiz aslam in front of the adminstration building and then later he hijacked the Pia aircraft---we are talking about 1979-82 time period.

People were paying 600 times the actual price of an AK47 in pakistan---. The Taliban sold 1 AK47 for 100 K ruppees and bought a toyta truck for 103 K ruppees.

All these thousands of toyota trucks sold to taliban---each truck represented a sold AK47 in pakistan during the russian afghan war.

Pakistanis paid and bought these weapons like there was no tomorrrow---because those who paid it thru their nose---knew that they & their families would not survive the highway robbers.

So---when someone comes and talks about price of the Rafale---it is like a child who is clueless what the integrity of a nation needs---.

Now that is for the price part---how about the strategic part---. Procurement of the Rafale would have pulled the rug from underneath the enemy's feet---. He would have no where else to go---.

So---instead of buying 40 aircraft---30 would have done the job equally well---rather than none---.

I want the reader to listen to the excuses being put forward---one after the other---these guys coming around and laying it thick---.

Paf could have forced the U S to take off the sanctions---right away---. Military was in power---control the supply line---.

The real issue behind this lollygagging was that the Paf generals wanted to produce ' cars ' and become car salesmen after retiring---.

Producing cars means---making the JF17 for sale and then getting into the selling bussiness---.

Buying a potent aircraft would have put hurdles into this money making venture for them---.

For the Longewala support----Sukkur airport was available---Hyderabad had a runway---Nawabshah had a runway---Rahim Yar Khan had a runway and so did Multan.

Haha no I didn't bother asking. Take care.
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Hi,

Why don't you look up---you might find a surprise in the package.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

Why don't you look up---you might find a surprise in the package.

Hilarious

 

[MastanKhan]

Hilarious

Hi,

I thought that after all that exchange---you would dig deeper and look into it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

No, Never. I am son of an ex-serviceman (a veteran of two wars), will never do that. In fact I am disgusted even when people post about they saw such and such thing near such and such facility in such and such city.

Well if you are baiting me, that I disclose how PA plans to react to a cold start attack, that will not happen.

As far as the TNW go, it makes the opponents control of enemy territory, not only difficult, but next to impossible. In a world, where the top 5 powers (besides a few smaller countries), know what the yield of an explosion is, it is very difficult for anyone (unless a retard), to misconstrue a TNW in to anything else. Plus, if they enemy is not expecting TNW's to be deployed, then they need their head checked, for e.g. any invading army knows, land mines will be encountered, same goes for TNW in Pakistan's case.

Pakistan's 2nd strike capability, and mobile TEL's, provide a very effective deterrent to anyone who is thinking of using high yield BM's. That would then definitely trigger M.A.D. So the justification of using high yield nukes, in response to TNW, does not hold water.

Best Regards

 

[SQ8]

No, Never. I am son of an ex-serviceman (a veteran of two wars), will never do that. In fact I am disgusted even when people post about they saw such and such thing near such and such facility in such and such city.

Its actually funny when people make that stuff up. Its better to say "I have no idea" or "I was wrong" instead of trying to cling onto some misguided need for adulation online

 

[war&peace]

Ouch sir. I know you enjoy to insult but come on....how can you say that regarding the air force.

Yeah i told him any times...don't speak truth so much and so openly...it hurts... but he is incorrigible