Putin calls Poland's western territories as 'Stalin's gift to Poles'

[nahtanbob]

The Russian president reminded that "such an aggressive policy" ended for Poland with the national tragedy of 1939, when "it was thrown by the Western allies to be eaten by the German military machine," losing its independence and statehood, "which was restored to a great extent thanks to the Soviet Union."

In 1939 the West could not defend Poland. Now they can. You can try attacking Poland and see what hits you

 

[ThunderCat]

Western Poland Originally belonged to Germany.

Western Ukraine Originally belonged to Poland.

Eastern Ukraine Originally belonged to Russia.

Ukraine is a fake nation.

Didn't the Kievan Rus come from Ukraine?

 

[MeFishToo]

Didn't the Kievan Rus come from Ukraine?

Russia belongs to Ukraine. Putin just doesnt know history.

 

[Oldman1]

Didn't the Kievan Rus come from Ukraine?

Moscow didn't even exist at the time.

 

[aziqbal]

In 1939 the West could not defend Poland. Now they can. You can try attacking Poland and see what hits you

Behind closed doors Poland has been promised western part of Ukraine by the west

This is why Poland is now looking to intervene in western Ukraine

Poland has no weapons and the Apache and South Korean armor hasn’t arrived yet

Poland will suffer because Wagner is right at their door step

 

[MeFishToo]

Behind closed doors Poland has been promised western part of Ukraine by the west

This is why Poland is now looking to intervene in western Ukraine

Poland has no weapons and the Apache and South Korean armor hasn’t arrived yet

Poland will suffer because Wagner is right at their door step

“Behind closed doors”.. Still marching along spreading the russian narrative. Did you notice Russia is currently trying to take parts eastern of Ukraine?

Atleast 15 korean K2 tanks (out of 189) and 36 K9 howitzers (out of 212) has arrived in Poland.

First batch of 116 Abrams M1A1 arrived in June 2023, 250 M1A2 will arrive in 2024:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674021355010834432

 

[aziqbal]

“Behind closed doors”.. Still marching along spreading the russian narrative. Did you notice Russia is currently trying to take parts eastern of Ukraine?

Atleast 15 korean K2 tanks (out of 189) and 36 K9 howitzers (out of 212) has arrived in Poland.

First batch of 116 Abrams M1A1 arrived in June 2023, 250 M1A2 will arrive in 2024:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1674021355010834432

exactly Poland has no armour

and Wagner is closer to Poland and Belarus has Nukes

thing is US and NATO and pretty much the entire West and most of the "democratic world" thought that Russia was going to be isolated and would lose this war badly

the sanctions were meant to cripple the Russian economy and Russians were meant to revolt against Putin and Russia was going to brought to its knees

but what the West did not realise is that Russia is a true heavyweight global power who has guts and determination and will never be humiliated, they'd rather die than lose a war and be brought to the negotiating table

if every Russian has to eat grass and send every kg of metal to build tanks they will do it, the industrial might of Russia is always what wins the day

Russians have reactivated the Soviet War Machine and now whatever happens after this will be what Russia wants on their terms on their interest

before the war Russians could compromise but now there will be no compromise it will be full unconditional surrender from Ukraine otherwise Russia will just keep fighting

big player who has emerged from this is Iran, they have come out blazing and with the Saudi peace deal now can focus 100% on destabilising Israel and so far it looks pretty good for Iran and very terrible for Israel who seem to be running each other over

 

[MeFishToo]

exactly Poland has no armour

and Wagner is closer to Poland and Belarus has Nukes

thing is US and NATO and pretty much the entire West and most of the "democratic world" thought that Russia was going to be isolated and would lose this war badly

the sanctions were meant to cripple the Russian economy and Russians were meant to revolt against Putin and Russia was going to brought to its knees

but what the West did not realise is that Russia is a true heavyweight global power who has guts and determination and will never be humiliated, they'd rather die than lose a war and be brought to the negotiating table

if every Russian has to eat grass and send every kg of metal to build tanks they will do it, the industrial might of Russia is always what wins the day

Russians have reactivated the Soviet War Machine and now whatever happens after this will be what Russia wants on their terms on their interest

before the war Russians could compromise but now there will be no compromise it will be full unconditional surrender from Ukraine otherwise Russia will just keep fighting

big player who has emerged from this is Iran, they have come out blazing and with the Saudi peace deal now can focus 100% on destabilising Israel and so far it looks pretty good for Iran and very terrible for Israel who seem to be running each other over

Poland has donated 300 tanks to Ukraine, ex sovjet equipment like the russians are forced to use, and what the hell is a couple thousend Wagner soldiers going to do against Poland?
Now please dont reply to me with this fantasy of Russia being the Sovjet Union. You seem to forget the might of the Sovjet Union included exploiting countries like Poland, Ukraine, East Germany, Checkoslovak Republic, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania, Kazakhstan, the Baltic states ect.
Almost all the former vasal states of Russia is now part of NATO.
The ordinary russian pretents to be indifferent about politics, and Putin fears ordering mobilization. They have no intention eating grass in Ukraine in order for Putin to build another palace.

 

[nahtanbob]

the truth is Eastern Poland was given to Ukraine. Eastern parts of Germany - parts of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia were given to Poland.

Since Putin's war Ukraine and Poland have patched up things for good. Poland has more Ukrainian refugees. Poland is willing to back Ukraine to the hilt.

Putin actions prolongs the pain of the Cold War where Poles suffered a lot

 

[aziqbal]

Poland has donated 300 tanks to Ukraine, ex sovjet equipment like the russians are forced to use, and what the hell is a couple thousend Wagner soldiers going to do against Poland?
Now please dont reply to me with this fantasy of Russia being the Sovjet Union. You seem to forget the might of the Sovjet Union included exploiting countries like Poland, Ukraine, East Germany, Checkoslovak Republic, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania, Kazakhstan, the Baltic states ect.
Almost all the former vasal states of Russia is now part of NATO.
The ordinary russian pretents to be indifferent about politics, and Putin fears ordering mobilization. They have no intention eating grass in Ukraine in order for Putin to build another palace.

Poland has agreed with Western powers to take Ukraine, this deal has been done between the US and its proxies

Poland has always wanted Western part of Ukraine so is more than happy to be obliged

Ukraine as a nation is destroyed its gone, forget about it now, Ukraine is never going to get its 20% back and the longer it goes more chance it loses all access to the Black Sea

and actually it already has lost access to the Black Sea because Russia has control over the grain exports so basically now Ukraine is a field state

do you know how much debt Ukraine owes to the West? poor Ukrainians will work to the grave for the next few generations paying off this debt like Germany and Japan did

for what ? why do a NATO parade in Kiev in Aug 2021 when Russia has explicitly stated that it does see that as a direct threat ? are you serious, few days after that Putin activated orders to mobilise

now Poland is playing the same game, Russia has said already Poland is not allowed to hurt the interests of Russia

would the NATO alliance come to save a 3rd rate NATO power like Poland ? I mean its not like Germany and UK its Poland hardly a regional power

this is not going to end well for Poland and like Ukraine they will scream victim when attacked

 

[fitpOsitive]

Putin calls Poland's western territories as 'Stalin's gift to Poles'​

Russian president accuses Poland of plotting to take control of Ukraine's western part through formation of joint Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military group​

Elena Teslova |21.07.2023 - Update : 21.07.2023

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MOSCOW
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that Poland's western territories are "Stalin's gift to Poles."

Commenting on Poland's alleged plans to take control of Ukraine's western territories, Putin said at a Russian Security Council meeting in Moscow that Russia may remind Warsaw of how its previous "expansionist plans" failed.

"The fire of war is being strenuously kindled. In particular, they (the West) use the ambitions of the leaders of some Eastern European states, who have long turned hatred of Russia, and Russophobia into their main export commodity and an instrument of their domestic policy. And now they want to 'warm their hands' on the Ukrainian tragedy," he said.

Putin said plans to form a joint Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military group imply the establishment of a regular unit with the stated goal of "providing security of Ukraine's western territories," but in reality, "for the occupation of these territories."

"After all, the prospect is obvious – if Polish units enter, for example, Lviv or other territories of Ukraine, then they will remain there. And they will remain forever," according to the Russian president.
Putin recalled that Poland used Russia's civil war in 1917 to annex its historical regions, and that part of Lithuania, the Vilen Krai, took part in the partition of Czechoslovakia as a result of the Munich agreement with Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in 1938.

The Russian president reminded that "such an aggressive policy" ended for Poland with the national tragedy of 1939, when "it was thrown by the Western allies to be eaten by the German military machine," losing its independence and statehood, "which was restored to a great extent thanks to the Soviet Union."

"And it was thanks to the Soviet Union, thanks to Stalin's position, that Poland received significant lands in the West, the lands of Germany. This is exactly the case… the western territories of present–day Poland are Stalin's gift to the Poles. Have our friends in Warsaw forgotten about it? We will remind them," he said.

Putin calls Poles, Lithuanians 'cannon fodder for West'
Putin charged Polish leaders with wanting "to return territories which they consider ‘theirs,’ today's Western Ukraine,” through a coalition that would be allowed to operate under the NATO "umbrella."
They often daydream about Belarusian lands, he continued.

According to the Russian president, the Polish authorities are hiding the truth from the people, saying that "the truth is that the Ukrainian 'cannon fodder' is clearly not enough for the West, therefore, they plan to use a new expendable material – the Poles themselves, the Lithuanians, and further down the list."

"I will say one thing – this is a very dangerous game, and the authors of such plans should think about the consequences," he stressed.

West 'disappointed' with results of Ukraine's counteroffensive
According to the Russian president, the West is disappointed with the results of Ukraine's counteroffensive, which is unsuccessful despite "colossal resources" being invested in Kyiv's support, arms deliveries, and services of "thousands of foreign mercenaries and advisers," who are used "most actively" to breach Russia's defense.

Additional Western weapons will prolong the conflict while doing "some damage" to Russia, he said, adding that at the same time, the NATO arsenals and stocks of old Soviet weapons in some states have already been largely emptied, and the existing production facilities in the West cannot quickly replenish the reserves of equipment and ammunition.

Putin asserts that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will continue their "suicidal attacks," referring to the notion that the longer the war lasts, the more soldiers Kyiv will lose.

Despite the Ukrainian authorities' tough mobilization measures, "the country's mobilization resource is being depleted," he claimed.

"People in Ukraine are increasingly raising a question, a legitimate question – for what, for whose selfish interests are their relatives and friends dying," he said.

According to Putin, public opinion in Europe is changing as well, with elites and the general public seeing Ukraine's support as a "dead end," "serving the interests of an overseas global hegemon, which benefits from Europe's weakness and profits from prolonging the Ukrainian conflict."

In his estimation, he said, Ukraine may bargain with Poland over the western territories "to extend its existence," like their "ideological predecessors," disciples of Ukrainian nationalist Symon Petliura, who gave Poland lands of Galicia and Western Volhynia in return for military help.

The Ukrainian authorities may take whatever actions they deem necessary, but any aggression against Belarus will be considered aggression against the Russian Federation, he stressed.
"We will respond with all available means," he warned.

Putin calls Poland's western territories as 'Stalin's gift to Poles'

Russian president accuses Poland of plotting to take control of Ukraine's western part through formation of joint Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military group - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

It's like I gift someones house to someone else as gift.

 

[MeFishToo]

Poland has agreed with Western powers to take Ukraine, this deal has been done between the US and its proxies

Poland has always wanted Western part of Ukraine so is more than happy to be obliged

Ukraine as a nation is destroyed its gone, forget about it now, Ukraine is never going to get its 20% back and the longer it goes more chance it loses all access to the Black Sea

and actually it already has lost access to the Black Sea because Russia has control over the grain exports so basically now Ukraine is a field state

do you know how much debt Ukraine owes to the West? poor Ukrainians will work to the grave for the next few generations paying off this debt like Germany and Japan did

for what ? why do a NATO parade in Kiev in Aug 2021 when Russia has explicitly stated that it does see that as a direct threat ? are you serious, few days after that Putin activated orders to mobilise

now Poland is playing the same game, Russia has said already Poland is not allowed to hurt the interests of Russia

would the NATO alliance come to save a 3rd rate NATO power like Poland ? I mean its not like Germany and UK its Poland hardly a regional power

this is not going to end well for Poland and like Ukraine they will scream victim when attacked

Why dont you prove this claim of yours - “Poland has agreed with western powers to take Ukraine”.. Im not going to respond to you quoting russian propaganda stories.
Russia saying they will do a blockade and them actually being able to do it remains to be seen. They are unable to board a vessel off the coast of Ukraine, and I doubt they are going to try in NATO controlled waters. So all they are left with is sinking a ship in ukrainian territorial waters, if they are able to identify the ship. There is a reason they are trying to destroy ukrainian abilities to load those grainships, and that is because they are unable to prevent those ships from sailing.
And make no mistake, Ukraine is capable of disrupting shipping routes towards Russia in the Black Sea too.

 

[oberschlesier]

Nobody in PL wants to annex Western Ukraine.
Why the hell for ? It`s a very poor terrirory, who is going to pay for this ? What are going to do with the population ? Not talking about breaking a lot of international treaties.

It`s complete fantasy.

 

[oberschlesier]

Poland has agreed with Western powers to take Ukraine, this deal has been done between the US and its proxies

Poland has always wanted Western part of Ukraine so is more than happy to be obliged

Ukraine as a nation is destroyed its gone, forget about it now, Ukraine is never going to get its 20% back and the longer it goes more chance it loses all access to the Black Sea

and actually it already has lost access to the Black Sea because Russia has control over the grain exports so basically now Ukraine is a field state

do you know how much debt Ukraine owes to the West? poor Ukrainians will work to the grave for the next few generations paying off this debt like Germany and Japan did

for what ? why do a NATO parade in Kiev in Aug 2021 when Russia has explicitly stated that it does see that as a direct threat ? are you serious, few days after that Putin activated orders to mobilise

now Poland is playing the same game, Russia has said already Poland is not allowed to hurt the interests of Russia

would the NATO alliance come to save a 3rd rate NATO power like Poland ? I mean its not like Germany and UK its Poland hardly a regional power

this is not going to end well for Poland and like Ukraine they will scream victim when attacked

Poland does not want to annex anything. Poland want to have Ukraine in the "West", in NATO / EU, not getting huge Problems with annexing territory.

Don`t write about things, you have no clue about.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Russian president reminded that "such an aggressive policy" ended for Poland with the national tragedy of 1939, when "it was thrown by the Western allies to be eaten by the German military machine," losing its independence and statehood, "which was restored to a great extent thanks to the Soviet Union."

Which conveniently forgets the Soviet invasion of Poland.
Meanwhile, the Western allies gave an ultimatum to Germany to leave Poland or face war. A war that Germany lost.
The Soviet Union of course occupied Poland afterwards, but that is their problem.