from what I see you are the one who hijack and ruined this thread ..
I addressed some responses in flow of other responses in this thread. But a TROLL amongst us ruined the flow. Keep your accusations to yourself.
Yes but these were the initial export versions and were a quite useless piece of crap sold to Iraq ... that had faulty radar and suspect BVR capability. A far cry from the MiG-29K. Certainly no match to fighters in NATO inventory.
The F-16s at our disposal are also
imported, and they have served us well since the 1980s.
Americans also offered M1 Abrams MBT to Pakistan Army (although COAS Zia-ul-Haq was interested), Zia's successor refused this offer and Pakistani evaluation report was negative (am I right?). Same M1 Abrams
outranged and
outgunned all types of Soviet and Chinese Tanks in use by Iraqi army in the battlefield in 1991.
Russian stuff having quality issues is not something new. Indian retired military officials were complaining about quality issues of Su-30 MKI as well, years before 27-02-19:
https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...es-problems-despite-russian-spare-parts-deal/
Since when is
imported perceived for lack of quality
by default? So imported products including cars are all
bad by default?
The bottom line is that Russian products are OVER-HYPED in public discourses.
Everything with Iraq was imported which meant that there was huge limitations. Iraq didn't have air defence, did not have enough missiles and ammunition to fire from planes and didn't even have enough quantity of planes.
USA got bases in GCC and prepared for 7-8 months by bringing in huge quantity of supplies, all of which were manufactured in USA. Iraq on the other hand could do nothing as it had no manufacturing industry at all. So, regardless of whether Iraq was Battle hardened or not, it was technologically pathetic in 1991
This is all rubbish.
Iraq had a formidable AA/AD infrastructure back in 1991 with a mix of French and Soviet AA/AD equipment guided by 500 radar systems in different locations in total - one of the best in the world at the time. In fact, just the city of Baghdad was better protected than any city in the WEST and also majority of cities in ASIA back then.
Thanks to WAR with Iran and Iraq receiving lot of foreign equipment in the process (including latest offerings), Iraq emerged as one of the most militarized countries back in 1990, and captured Kuwait in a span of just 2 hours (an event which motivated American military deployment in response afterwards). Kuwaiti military had modern Western equipment back then but was swiftly overwhelmed.
Coalition losses in the AIR in 1991 are all attributed to Iraqi AA/AD arrangements in the field.
This however:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-u...af-for-experience.656744/page-4#post-12147337
On one hand, many militaries around the world study Persian Gulf War (1991) at great lengths to draw valuable lessons and devise tactics, on the other hand there are some members of PDF with preconceived notions about American battlefield accomplishments (to cheapen them).
Since Iraq lost the war in 1991, pin the blame on equipment now - even the best of it. Nevermind battlefield tactics and innovations in conduct of warfare, and the surprises that Americans had in store for the entire world back then. Nevermind the vast battlefield experience of USA since its independence - they never defeated a well-equipped army before.
In fact, opening salvo came from a small team of special forces armed with helicopters with LO treatments and powerful EW capabilities to slip through enemy lines, and knocked out
two powerful Iraqi OTH radar systems in the cover of darkness; this assault opened up a GAP in Iraqi radar coverage and hundreds of Coalition Iraqi combat aircraft slipped through this GAP to strike at military bases and positions across. The tactical brilliance of this move cannot be understated.
FYI:
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/desert-storms-opening-shots-came-from-this-daring-helic-1753466057
US utilized similar tactics to assassinate some of the worst of scum in highly contested spaces since then. Foremost among these is Operation Neptune Spear in 2011.
So yes, victory in an
all-out engagement scenario is never strictly contingent on the quality of equipment. Tactical brilliance is equally important measure.
PAF outgunned IAF on 27-02-19 with tactical brilliance, and not just on the basis of equipment (F-16s for instance).