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US scientists boycott Nasa conference over China ban

I thought the ruskies are enemies of the states

Cold War is over, China's disregard for IP is the largest problem now.

Also, China is a natural competitor of the US so I'm not sure why all the cries of racism. I doubt that if China had the lead on us they would oh so happily invite us to all of their conferences.
 
Who is 'we'? :lol:

Sorry, you're not an American no matter how hard you try to convince everyone. You will always remain a Vietnamese, so stop trying to argue with us by living off the success of America. Compare your Vietnam with us.
I convinced Americans. :lol:

Let us see...

I got US citizenship. I got Top Secret clearance in and out of the military. A lot more than you got from your China. So why should your opinion matter? :lol:
 
Good, China needs to step up and act more like the Russians. This cold war 2.0 has been very boring thus far.

Anyhow would Americans be allowed to work in such places in China? I doubt it.
 
There will be a time...when China finally surpassed US in space race and technology.

Suddenly US government and NASA in rush trying to establish a good relationship and cooperation.

If they don't, China probably need to check their computer network from US's PRISM.

Old tactic. *sign*
 
I convinced Americans. :lol:

Let us see...

I got US citizenship. I got Top Secret clearance in and out of the military. A lot more than you got from your China. So why should your opinion matter? :lol:

You might have US citizenship but you're not an American. You are a Vietnamese living in America, that's not a real American.

Top secret clearance? :lol: oh puhleeze, enough with these fantasy stories. Getting tired of these made up stories dude. Getting pretty tired of such nonsense.
 
Brainwashing, slavery, dependence, stealing, human rights violations are synonymous with Chinese in international media not with Indians.

You are correct, to be precise, Indians working at NASA is somewhere around 36%. No wonder NASA is the world's best space agency. East or west Indians are the best

36% of scientists at NASA are Indians: Govt survey - Times Of India
Very great achievement, when IRSO with 100% indian can beat NASA? maybe you indian should drink less ganges river water, you can catch up with them faster?

Chinese has been defamed by western media, the so-called international media, of course, as a west follower, indian agree with that, no surprise, we are used to these, for us, the importance is that we develop fast and become stronger, much better than some self-righteous country "liked" by west.

You know, what is synonymous with indian in China(I don't know about international media)? joke and loser.

On topic
very good news, Boycott just will let us stronger, USA, please, keep it, don't lift it, hehe!
 
Brainwashing, slavery, dependence, stealing, human rights violations are synonymous with Chinese in international media not with Indians.

You are correct, to be precise, Indians working at NASA is somewhere around 36%. No wonder NASA is the world's best space agency. East or west Indians are the best

36% of scientists at NASA are Indians: Govt survey - Times Of India

This number had been debunked so many times. I'm certain that you know. Why do you keep on bring it up? Is this the same mentality as creating the 2030 superpower movie. I feel sorry for you and people like you.
 
You seems not to have any experience working for US company or US organization. US regulations don't allow organization to reveal workforce profiles.

As I said I don;t have any reason to believe that they are hoax. Top US schools are feeders to NASA, Corporate US and other institutions.

But you have no idea on how many % of top US school are Indians. You just assume. Stop assuming. It just make a fool out of you.
 
Good move by NASA. Copy and paste scientists are a danger to that organization.
 
Very great achievement, when IRSO with 100% indian can beat NASA? maybe you indian should drink less ganges river water, you can catch up with them faster?

Chinese has been defamed by western media, the so-called international media, of course, as a west follower, indian agree with that, no surprise, we are used to these, for us, the importance is that we develop fast and become stronger, much better than some self-righteous country "liked" by west.

You know, what is synonymous with indian in China(I don't know about international media)? joke and loser.

On topic
very good news, Boycott just will let us stronger, USA, please, keep it, don't lift it, hehe!

Really?When did ISRO had a comparable budget with NASA.Oh and there is a name for Chinese in India too....
 
Really?When did ISRO had a comparable budget with NASA.Oh and there is a name for Chinese in India too....
No surprise, of course, you have, after all, you are indian with big mouth, and you are "creative", hehe!

As to Budget, you should ask yourself, that's gaven by your country not others, don't just make excuse, although we know you are loser, that's your character.
 
Do you know how much money Chinese intelligence agencies get? How do you know that the tourist was not the distraction to make people think that was how we do things. Do you know how useless a photo is? Do you know even a small software application could have 100 pages of documentation to help support.
Do you know how much training a company has to give to a new employee for the person to be able to support a program?

Now do you know how useless a photo or even a photocopy of the blueprint would be. When the target is the world's most advanced technology.
a hundred million is a lot of money, but for a country like China, and for espionage activities, it is like 5 bucks you and I.
Do you know how many blueprints we can get, how many doors that can open?

Obviously it yields information that is needed else they would not be doing it. In re to budget i know internal security has a bigger budget then the PLA. Then again, you have to pay 2 million censors.

BBC News - China employs two million microblog monitors state media say

China has been the masters at spying for a really long time and we are no stranger to bribes. Tell me, how does "stopping" a few of our students going to help?

Little by little and in a while it makes a lot. Would you not agree?
 
Nasa facing backlash from US researchers due to rejection of Chinese nationals from conference


A law passed in March prohibits anyone from China from setting foot in a Nasa building. Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP


Nasa is facing an extraordinary backlash from US researchers after it emerged that the space agency has banned Chinese scientists, including those working at US institutions, from a conference on grounds of national security.

Nasa officials rejected applications from Chinese nationals who hoped to attend the meeting at the agency's Ames research centre in California next month citing a law, passed in March, which prohibits anyone from China setting foot in a Nasa building.

The law is part of a broad and aggressive move initiated by congressman Frank Wolf, chair of the House appropriations committee, which has jurisdiction over Nasa. It aims to restrict the foreign nationals' access to Nasa facilities, ostensibly to counter espionage.

But the ban has angered many US scientists who say Chinese students and researchers in their labs are being discriminated against. A growing number of US scientists have now decided to boycott the meeting in protest, with senior academics withdrawing individually, or pulling out their entire research groups.

The conference is being held for US and international teams who work on Nasa's Kepler space telescope programme, which has been searching the cosmos for signs of planets beyond our solar system. The meeting is the most important event in the academic calendar for scientists who specialise in the field.

Alan Boss, co-organiser of the Kepler conference, refused to discuss the issue, but said: "This is not science, it's politics unfortunately."

Geoff Marcy, an astronomy professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who has been tipped to win a Nobel prize for his pioneering work on exoplanets, or planets outside the solar system, called the ban "completely shameful and unethical".

In an email sent to the conference organisers, Marcy said: "In good conscience, I cannot attend a meeting that discriminates in this way. The meeting is about planets located trillions of miles away, with no national security implications," he wrote.

"It is completely unethical for the United States of America to exclude certain countries from pure science research," Marcy told the Guardian. "It's an ethical breach that is unacceptable. You have to draw the line."

Debra Fischer, professor of astronomy at Yale University, said she became aware of the ban only when a Chinese post-doctoral student in her lab, Ji Wang, was rejected from the conference. When Nasa confirmed that Ji was banned because of his nationality, Fischer decided to pull out of the meeting. She told her students: "I cannot say don't go, but I'm boycotting the meeting." Her team followed suit and has withdrawn from the meeting.

The law allows Nasa to apply for a waiver against the ban in special circumstances, but any appeal would have been rejected under a moratorium that has been introduced by the agency's administrator, Charles Bolden.

Chinese applicants were told they could not attend the conference in an email sent by Mark Messersmith, a Kepler project specialist at Nasa Ames. "Unfortunately … federal legislation passed last March forbids us from hosting any citizens of the People's Republic of China at a conference held at facilities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Regarding those who are already working at other institutions in the US, due to security issues resulting from recent Congressional actions, they are under the same constraints," according to the email, seen by the Guardian.

The recent Congressional action refers to a broader law passed in July which prohibits Nasa funds from being used to participate or collaborate with China in any way. The law has raised fears among some Nasa-funded scientists that they will have to sever ties with their Chinese collaborators, and no longer take on Chinese students.

Marcy said the law would damage relationships built up between US and Chinese researchers that could be valuable lines of communication if conflicts arose between the two nations in the future.

Sir Martin Rees, Britain's astronomer royal, said he "fully supported" Marcy's position and called the ban "a deplorable 'own goal' by the US".

Chris Lintott, an astronomer at Oxford University, called for a total boycott of the conference until the situation had been resolved. "I'm shocked and upset by the way this policy has been applied. Science is supposed to be open to all and restricting those who can attend by nationality goes against years of practice, going right back to cold war conferences of Russian and western physicists," he said. "The Kepler team should move their conference somewhere else – and I hope everyone boycotts until they do."

US scientists boycott Nasa conference over China ban | Science | theguardian.com

U.S believes China engages in technology espionage against it. Chinese are pretty efficient in cloning technology and modifying them further. So there is no surprise here on this ban.

Perhaps the conference meets the definition as described in the Law, hence the ban.
 
What a racist move by U.S officials. U.S is not a nation state of one ethnicity or one nationality. Everyone from all over the world migrated to the U.S have contributed to science, and society. To exclude one ethnicity from a NASA conference is incredibly racist. This opens the door to other discriminatory acts , what's next Muslims are not allowed to work in healthcare? Iranians are not allowed into engineering conference? America is a multicultural society. this will not work, you will anger millions of people. There are 4 million Chinese Americans, this will definitely anger them.
 
This is great news. Now even more technological secrets will find their home in China.
 

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