US questions ISI-Taliban link

[Bill Longley]

Proof of ISI help to Lashkar and Taliban, say top US officials

Electronic surveillance and trusted informants have provided the US with proof of direct ISI support for the Taliban’s widening campaign in southern Afghanistan and American officials say the Pakistani spy agency also shared intelligence with Lashkar-e-Toiba, the militant group suspected in the Mumbai attacks, and provided it protection.

Top American officials speak bluntly about how the situation has changed little since last summer, when evidence showed that ISI operatives helped plan the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, an attack that killed 54 people. “They (ISI) have been very attached to many of these extremist organizations, and it’s my belief that in the long run, they have got to completely cut ties with those in order to really move in the right direction,” Adm Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on The Charlie Rose Show on PBS.

After the US confronted Pakistan with evidence about the Indian Embassy bombing, President Asif Ali Zardari pledged

that the ISI would be “handled,” and that anyone working with militants would be dismissed. Yet with the future of Zardari’s government uncertain in the current political turmoil and with Obama officials seeing few immediate alternatives, American officials and outside experts said that Pakistan’s military establishment appears to see little advantage in responding to the demands of civilian officials in Islamabad or Washington.

Support for the Taliban, as well as other militant groups, is coordinated by operatives inside the shadowy S Wing of the ISI, officials said. There is even evidence that ISI operatives meet regularly with Taliban commanders to discuss whether to intensify or scale back violence before the Afghan elections. The support consists of money, military supplies and strategic planning guidance to Taliban commanders who are gearing up to confront the international force in Afghanistan that will soon include some 17,000 American reinforcements.

use your mind boy
if your report is true the why TALIBAN ATTACKED ISI OFFICIALS IN ISB AND WHY ISI HAS LOST SO MUCH OFFICALS IN FIGHT AGAINST TALIBS
Suicide bombings in Islamabad and Rawalpindi - The Long War Journal
what all I can Say is enemy is enemy we must be alert of enemy propaganda especially beware of Indians

 

[white_pawn]

what all I can Say is enemy is enemy we must be alert of enemy propaganda especially beware of Indians

First be aware of much bigger concern the terrorist inside and the US and then consentrate on India, as India is going nowhere its going to stay beside pakistan.

 

[Bill Longley]

I am really sorry if my statement hurt you and anybody. I didn't mean to accuse Pakistani People.

But such strategies can be used by intelligence agencies which is not a surprise. If there is no war then there will not be military aid.

i am very sorry sir ur argument is very very week.... you are presumeing and accusing whole nation on ur presumption

should we ever trust what you say:

 

[Bhushan]

well sir you are saying whole nation is terrorist?????????/


pakistan Army and Agencies are recruted from Masses better keep in mind

you abuse whole nation and then pretend to be friend.

I think what godsavetheworld wants to say that a stable and peaceful Pakistan will be helpful in the growth of both Pakistan and India.

propoganda against army and ISI started from India and through continuous propoganda india achieved its objectives in information war fare.

See Bill Longley, what ever so called Indian propaganda India started against ISI and PA has been proved correct. International community is supporting the Indian propaganda only after watching and studying evidences. (By the way 26/11 was also an Indian Propaganda and Ajmal Kasab is Pakistani is also Indian propaganda but unfortunately International community is backing Indian's stance)

 

[Bill Longley]

lol

dont be fool
india is on advantage due to its size and population
world see it as
1. counter balance to china
2. as big market

and quoteing Marks

"history is economics in action"

its because of being big market people forgive ur sins
after all worlds deadliest terror outfit LTTE was ur creation but now no body reckons it only few academics knew it

 

[white_pawn]

lol

dont be fool
india is on advantage due to its size and population
world see it as
1. counter balance to china
2. as big market

and quoteing Marks

"history is economics in action"

its because of being big market people forgive ur sins
after all worlds deadliest terror outfit LTTE was ur creation but now no body reckons it only few academics knew it

Size always dosent matter, just check out what Isreal did, its size is nothing compared to the countries surrounding it. even its economy is not so enormous to dominate countires surrounding it. Now here you would say US support is behing that, but it need guts and courage to be so.

But what matter the mos is your countries track record throught the years.

Yup India has a big market and why is it so, you would be knowing, bcoz of its growing demand and economy.

Still wont deny the fact that even US done want the war to end.

 

[Bhushan]

i am very sorry sir ur argument is very very week.... you are presumeing and accusing whole nation on ur presumption

I don't find my argument weak and illogical. Why Pakistan is getting military aid from USA??? Only to fight against Taliban( correct me if I am wrong). If Taliban will vanish then same do the military aid.

Some so called Pakistani defence experts including Zaid HamidD) claimed that 26/11 attack was planned by RAW ...then whats wrong with my argument??!!!!If these defence experts can think from this point of view then the can act also in the interest of their country where economy is sinking... At least there is some logic in my argument...

should we ever trust what you say:

I don't force you to ever trust what I say. The most important thing is facts with logic. I have provided my points with logic.

There is a phrase is marathi which means ITS EASY TO WAKE UP A SLEEPING PERSON BUT ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO WAKE UP WHO IS PRETENDING THAT HE IS SLEEPING.....

Stop living in denial and accept the fact that ISI has links with Taliban.

 

[Bill Longley]

Size always dosent matter, just check out what Isreal did, its size is nothing compared to the countries surrounding it. even its economy is not so enormous to dominate countires surrounding it. Now here you would say US support is behing that, but it need guts and courage to be so.

But what matter the mos is your countries track record throught the years.

Yup India has a big market and why is it so, you would be knowing, bcoz of its growing demand and economy.

Still wont deny the fact that even US done want the war to end.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Henery Kissenger writes in his book "Diplomacy"

safe guard of Israel is the most important forign policy objective of USA....

how israel survived and is surviveing and how it got independence world knows about it
tine Is(it)real is worlds third biggest atomic power after USA and Russia....

track record
you indians are telling us

first see your own record from china to srilanka and from bangladesh to pakistan who is implementing bharat versha ideology

by the way Colonal Prohit type people exposes the reality of indian nation

 

[Bill Longley]

I don't find my argument weak and illogical. Why Pakistan is getting military aid from USA??? Only to fight against Taliban( correct me if I am wrong). If Taliban will vanish then same do the military aid.

Some so called Pakistani defence experts including Zaid HamidD) claimed that 26/11 attack was planned by RAW ...then whats wrong with my argument??!!!!If these defence experts can think from this point of view then the can act also in the interest of their country where economy is sinking... At least there is some logic in my argument...



I don't force you to ever trust what I say. The most important thing is facts with logic. I have provided my points with logic.

There is a phrase is marathi which means ITS EASY TO WAKE UP A SLEEPING PERSON BUT ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO WAKE UP WHO IS PRETENDING THAT HE IS SLEEPING.....

Stop living in denial and accept the fact that ISIhas links with Taliban.

if intellegence agencies of india can claim that ISI is spreading aids in Indian sena ...then i think zaid hamid is forgivable



tell me was pakistan Army getting disbanded when prior to 911 pakistan was victim of US sanctions???????

come own
try to understand the logic between the marhati proverb u just quoted

 

[Bhushan]

Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid

Pakistan's latest excuse for its inability to put down the the Taliban insurgency is lack of "capacity," which means they don't have the proper military equipment. Every senior Paksitani politician has claimed that if only the United States would provide items like night vision goggles and helicopters, Pakistan's fight would be going swimmingly.

'As far as our capacity is concerned, obviously there are gaps. For instance, we face shortage of helicopters as well as night vision equipment,' said Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit at the weekly media briefing.

Pakistan had contacted some of the leading Western capitals including Washington and London for the provision of the needed equipment, but its pleas were not heeded by the international community.

'We have been making approaches not only to the US but to other major countries as well for the provision of the required equipment to counter terrorism and violent extremism. But unfortunately there has been no worthwhile response from those capitals.'

But the reality is that the Pakistanis could fill these equipment needs without Western assistance. Russia and other former Soviet nations, as well as China, sell helicopters and night vision gear. If these items were so critical to the fight, then the Pakistanis wouldn't be sitting around waiting for a handout; they'd go buy the equipment needed and push it to the front lines. Instead, the Pakistanis wait for the United States and other nations to open their wallets yet again.

Pakistan is also offering excuse as part of an effort to hide the very real problem that exists within its military: the Army leadership is reluctant to send its regular troops into the fight out of fear that the Army will fracture and elements will defect to the enemy. And this would detract from the real purpose of the Army: to secure the eastern border from their arch enemy, the Indians. The problem with that is that if the Army remains on the sideline for too long, it might not have a country left to defend against the Indians.

 

[Neo]

Pakistan is also offering excuse as part of an effort to hide the very real problem that exists within its military: the Army leadership is reluctant to send its regular troops into the fight out of fear that the Army will fracture and elements will defect to the enemy. And this would detract from the real purpose of the Army: to secure the eastern border from their arch enemy, the Indians. The problem with that is that if the Army remains on the sideline for too long, it might not have a country left to defend against the Indians.

I can see that you've spent too much time at BR.

 

[Bill Longley]

Pakistan Panhandles For Military Aid

Pakistan's latest excuse for its inability to put down the the Taliban insurgency is lack of "capacity," which means they don't have the proper military equipment. Every senior Paksitani politician has claimed that if only the United States would provide items like night vision goggles and helicopters, Pakistan's fight would be going swimmingly.

'As far as our capacity is concerned, obviously there are gaps. For instance, we face shortage of helicopters as well as night vision equipment,' said Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit at the weekly media briefing.

Pakistan had contacted some of the leading Western capitals including Washington and London for the provision of the needed equipment, but its pleas were not heeded by the international community.

'We have been making approaches not only to the US but to other major countries as well for the provision of the required equipment to counter terrorism and violent extremism. But unfortunately there has been no worthwhile response from those capitals.'

But the reality is that the Pakistanis could fill these equipment needs without Western assistance. Russia and other former Soviet nations, as well as China, sell helicopters and night vision gear. If these items were so critical to the fight, then the Pakistanis wouldn't be sitting around waiting for a handout; they'd go buy the equipment needed and push it to the front lines. Instead, the Pakistanis wait for the United States and other nations to open their wallets yet again.

Pakistan is also offering excuse as part of an effort to hide the very real problem that exists within its military: the Army leadership is reluctant to send its regular troops into the fight out of fear that the Army will fracture and elements will defect to the enemy. And this would detract from the real purpose of the Army: to secure the eastern border from their arch enemy, the Indians. The problem with that is that if the Army remains on the sideline for too long, it might not have a country left to defend against the Indians.

22oo soldiers who got shahadat so far belong to army
FC and ploice not included

i dont know where these so called analysts get info or may be they are part of information operation against Pakistan

why we never discuss situation in afghanistan?
may be it will un vial the incompetance of US and NATO

and people will ask where the tax payer money is going and why hate is growing in Afghan minds

 

[Bhushan]

22oo soldiers who got shahadat so far belong to army
FC and ploice not included

I respect the soldiers who shed their blood for their country... but then why didn't government and army take revenge of their every drop of blood from their killers??? Why Taliban is still not completely eliminated from the Pakistani Soil when Pakistan is world's one of the biggest army and when it has military aid from USA. This show no dedication of the government and the army to pay respect to the dead soldiers by eliminating their killers. If Army and Governments is not willing to act against these killers of their jawans on their own then the shahadat is waste.

i dont know where these so called analysts get info or may be they are part of information operation against Pakistan

Just Want To Say WAKE UP

why we never discuss situation in afghanistan?
may be it will un vial the incompetance of US and NATO

Afghanistan has porous borders with Pakistan. If NATO launches any offensive against Taliban then they run into Pakistani territory. When Pakistan will eliminate Taliban and Close doors for them then there will be nothing to discuss except situation in afghanistan and competance/incompetance of US and NATO.

 

[Bill Longley]

lol
you are just pretending or you really dont know the reasons for restrins?

Read back links
pakistan was unfortunately US ally in American jehad against soviats.....Mujahedeen camps were esteblished in tribal areas....militants had support in masses in those areas
voilent attacks would mean makeing friendly population enemy
that why pakistan trough deals with militants tried to show real picture to masses and at this point masses have understood the point and thats why 80 % of Mohmand is clear....60 % bajor and 90 % dir, bunair and shangla is in govt hand and local population is supporting army....

at this moment army has enveloped miltants from 3 sides and they know they are going to be history soon


ITS VERY EASY TO TALK FROM OUT SIDE BUT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT UNEASE LIES IN THE HEAD WHICH WEARS THE CROWN....




again propoganda
then why in the hell US and Afghans opposed fenseing the border??????????????

and why in the hell US and NATO has failed areas away from border


i say its all bull **** and crocodile tears to hide incompetance

 

[Bhushan]

lol
pakistan was unfortunately US ally in American jehad against soviats.....Mujahedeen camps were esteblished in tribal areas....militants had support in masses in those areas
voilent attacks would mean makeing friendly population enemy.....

Aggreed.... But US(CIA) cut all the funds and links with Taliban as soon as jihad against soviets was over but.... ISI didn't. And this is what this This Thread is all about.