US Navy proposing major show of force to warn China

[SuvarnaTeja]

Of course rifles alone can't win you war against America. S400 and Su35 not enough neither. You need advanced military satellites, AWACS, naval fleet, pantsir and to T50 stealth fighter to hold off US invasion. Most importamt ability to detect and intercept cruise missiles.

If US placed arms embargo on Vietnam, they will setup naval and air blockade on south China Sea that no ship nor aircraft could pass through into Vietnam. Based on your scenario, if there's no more China, India would support US which means they won't let logistics in neither. Thailand would side with US. Cambodia and Burma will be closely monitored by US. Vietnam will hardly get supplies from Russia. Without China, Russia itself would be placed on embargo too.

Malacca sovereign Indonesia, Malaysia are neutral but leaning more towards China. Both bought weapons, spare parts, goods from China. Only the tiny island Singapore is US ally. They won't support Vietnam unless there's development and trade benefit.

Conclusion is Vietnam will only survive and prosper by establishing good ties with China. Check your genetics, you are the same as Chinese. China today only interested in trade. Philippines have been ally of US after defeating Spanish forces before ww1. Have you seen any development so far during the US alliance? None, still high on poverty and drugs, militant activities. After President Duterte switched alliance to China and Russia, things started to change for better, you can see development in progress. There's violation of human rights but crushing heartless criminals, drugs dealers and militants are for good. You don't talk human rights with dangerous animals.

India and Vietnam have been one the most trusted allies of USSR/Russia. They never back stabbed USSR like China did.

@Viva_Viet

 

[Viva_Viet]

India and Vietnam have been one the most trusted allies of USSR/Russia. They never back stabbed USSR like China did.

@Viva_Viet

True, that poor man just hope all best friend will turn their back against VN/Russia and follow US like CN did in 1979.

As u sow, so shall u reap. CN betray every one ( Russia, India, VN ) so now No one come to help her when US hunting her down while Russia-India will still Vnese best friends forever:

 

[gambit]

During WW2, western Europe and US were busy trying to save themselves. Do you even know what year is WW2?

I understand history better than you do, little boy. By the way, I am 55 yrs old. Your father's age.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/fdrch.htm

I saw Halifax [Lord Halifax, British ambassador to the United States] last week and told him quite frankly that it was perfectly true that I had, for over a year, expressed the opinion that Indo-China should not go back to France but that it should be administered by an international trusteeship. France has had the country-thirty million inhabitants for nearly one hundred years, and the people are worse off than they were at the beginning.

As a matter of interest, I am wholeheartedly supported in this view by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek [of China] and by Marshal Stalin. I see no reason to play in with the British Foreign Office in this matter. The only reason they seem to oppose it is that they fear the effect it would have on their own possessions and those of the Dutch. They have never liked the idea of trusteeship because it is, in some instances, aimed at future independence. This is true in the case of IndoChina.

Each case must, of course, stand on its own feet, but the case of Indo-China is perfectly clear. France has milked it for one hundred years. The people of IndoChina are entitled to something better than that.

When I said 'the Allies', why did you think about Europe? The Allies did not exist in Asia? And you are asking me what yr was WW II when you did not know that the Allies were also in Asia?

But history is clear on what the Allies wanted for Indochina, which was independence, as agreed upon by the US, the Soviet Union, and China (Chiang Kai-shek).

Next, it was Ho and the Viet Minh who brought France back to Viet Nam.

Be careful, I made you look stupid once...

 

[kungfugymnast]

India and Vietnam have been one the most trusted allies of USSR/Russia. They never back stabbed USSR like China did.

@Viva_Viet

India is known to backstabbing its allies. When US was about to get close to India, you can see for yourself. Only after India could not afford to buy US huge military package, India returned to Russia as buddy. India backstabbed China when it was weak and shunned by Russia in 60's. As long as India is democratic, they would only ally a country based on benefits. If there's rich and powerful country could offer more, India would switch side. If China destroyed and Russia about to fall unable to fight back, India would switch alliance to America if there is offer at that time. Do you really think India will defy US to protect Vietnam? Answer is no. Look at how India voted during recognizing jews as sovereign country, they voted no in favor of Arabs trade.

I understand history better than you do, little boy. By the way, I am 55 yrs old. Your father's age.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/fdrch.htm

When I said 'the Allies', why did you think about Europe? The Allies did not exist in Asia? And you are asking me what yr was WW II when you did not know that the Allies were also in Asia?

But history is clear on what the Allies wanted for Indochina, which was independence, as agreed upon by the US, the Soviet Union, and China (Chiang Kai-shek).

Next, it was Ho and the Viet Minh who brought France back to Viet Nam.

Be careful, I made you look stupid once...

Older does not mean you know history better. There is hobo older than you in America, does it mean you're dumber than that hobo? You didn't know I am not young neither? FYI, I was top student in world history class. You weren't btw.

Fact is US would rather let a million innocent people getting killed just to topple its enemies. This is the fact recognized by the countries involved and also your country's CIA.

Ho chi Minh didn't bring the French back to Vietnam after Japanese imperial army surrendered. It was French that sent their military back to Vietnam to reclaim the country. So were the Dutch, British after ww2 ended.

Rather than you do the talking, why not wait for the actual result? If US lost trade war, your country will be hit by recession. If US revenue slumped, the first spending cut will be military especially naval fleet and air force that are the costlier to maintain. If Trump followed libtard's way, he will make Baba Vanga prediction comes true. I'll get popcorn ready and enjoy the show. As long as China's avionics work, they would win.

wow. show me when US has the guts to sink Russian cargo ships ??

after 1979 VN control Laos-Camb. VN attacked Thai from 1979 to 1988 but NO one came to help her except CN. when CN collapse No one help her against VN again. bro

Please check Cuban war crisis.

 

[oprih]

Major show of force means the us navy ships being painted pink and called a she while parading in some weird formations right? That's how things are nowadays in the united states of lgbt.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

India is known to backstabbing its allies. When US was about to get close to India, you can see for yourself. Only after India could not afford to buy US huge military package, India returned to Russia as buddy. India backstabbed China when it was weak and shunned by Russia in 60's. As long as India is democratic, they would only ally a country based on benefits. If there's rich and powerful country could offer more, India would switch side. If China destroyed and Russia about to fall unable to fight back, India would switch alliance to America if there is offer at that time. Do you really think India will defy US to protect Vietnam? Answer is no. Look at how India voted during recognizing jews as sovereign country, they voted no in favor of Arabs trade.

You wrote a huge rant here but could not dispute/refute the one single statement that I made. Truth always prevails and you cannot hide from the truth.

India is known to backstabbing its allies. When US was about to get close to India, you can see for yourself. Only after India could not afford to buy US huge military package, India returned to Russia as buddy.

First you need to understand the definition of the word backstabbing. India never had any agreement with US that it would support US against Russia or India would stop having any relationship with Russia.

India is procuring weapons from both Russia and the US.

India backstabbed China when it was weak and shunned by Russia in 60's.

Firstly, India was weak too. Much weaker than China.

ROC ruled since 1912 through 1949 when CPC took over completely and PRC was formed.

Even though India got Independence in 1947 and became a republic in 1950 on paper, the Indian military was still headed by British until later years of 1950s. Liberation of Goa from Portuguese did not happen until December 1961. The last British officer left Indian Navy in 1962.

Do you know that USSR did not provide support to India during Sino-India conflict?

US also did not support India as India declined the offer from US on F-105 Freedom Fighter as it was inferior to the F-104 Starfighter that US had already given to Pakistan.

As long as India is democratic, they would only ally a country based on benefits. If there's rich and powerful country could offer more, India would switch side. If China destroyed and Russia about to fall unable to fight back, India would switch alliance to America if there is offer at that time.

USSR collapsed but India did not give up on Russia through its toughest times.

Do you really think India will defy US to protect Vietnam? Answer is no.

The war would be between US & China not US & Vietnam.

Look at how India voted during recognizing jews as sovereign country, they voted no in favor of Arabs trade.

India had relations with Arab world much prior to it establishing its relations with Israel in 1992. Making new friends does not mean you give up on your old friends.

 

[kungfugymnast]

You wrote a huge rant here but could not dispute/refute the one single statement that I made. Truth always prevails and you cannot hide from the truth.




First you need to understand the definition of the word backstabbing. India never had any agreement with US that it would support US against Russia or India would stop having any relationship with Russia.

India is procuring weapons from both Russia and the US.



Firstly, India was weak too. Much weaker than China.

ROC ruled since 1912 through 1949 when CPC took over completely and PRC was formed.

Even though India got Independence in 1947 and became a republic in 1950 on paper, the Indian military was still headed by British until later years of 1950s. Liberation of Goa from Portuguese did not happen until December 1961. The last British officer left Indian Navy in 1962.

Do you know that USSR did not provide support to India during Sino-India conflict?

US also did not support India as India declined the offer from US on F-105 Freedom Fighter as it was inferior to the F-104 Starfighter that US had already given to Pakistan.




USSR collapsed but India did not give up on Russia through its toughest times.



The war would be between US & China not US & Vietnam.



India had relations with Arab world much prior to it establishing its relations with Israel in 1992. Making new friends does not mean you give up on your old friends.

After independent, India was pro British while Pakistan was pro US. Indian military comprised of British made guns and fighter jets. India didn't like America after the major war with Pakistan. India established friendly ties with China. Few years after Sino-Soviet split, India began to bully its neighbor trying to seize lands from the weakened country. After losing the Sino-india war, that was when India switched to Soviet Union and started buying Soviet arms that were far more affordable than British and French.

USSR collapsed, India's relation with America were still in stalemate as US still in good ties with Pakistan. US relation with Pakistan only loosened during mid to late 90's. India only started to build ties with America after 2000's. During Modi's new relation with US last 2 years, there was rumor where India leaked Akula class SSN tech to US which infuriated Russia. You don't call this backstabbing? Also the numbers of friendly exercise with US disclosing Russian military equipments capabilities giving US the clue on how to defeat the Russians.

The scenario for Viva_Viet if China being destroyed by US, do you really Vietnam and Russia won't be liberated if US could destroy China? Will India protect Russia and Vietnam with military intervention if the 2 countries are attacked by US forces?

 

[Viva_Viet]

The scenario for Viva_Viet if China being destroyed by US, do you really Vietnam and Russia won't be liberated if US could destroy China? Will India protect Russia and Vietnam with military intervention if the 2 countries are attacked by US forces?

When CN in chaos in 2023, then No one can stop our plan to unify sub Mekong and take Malacca like CN did in 1979-1988. Malacca and SCS(east VN sea) is a crucial shipping line to JP-SK-US-ASEAN. US must think twice before attacking VN again cos blocking Malacca will cause serious damage to JP-SK-US. JP-SK will order US to remove her base in SK-JP in order to get the right to pass Malacca that under VN-RUssia's control. India can send force to strengthen Malacca control if she want

It impossible for US to attack VN from Guam and win the war ( Guam also got trouble when can not buy oil from Sing when Malacca got blocked)

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

After independent, India was pro British while Pakistan was pro US. Indian military comprised of British made guns and fighter jets.

India was neither pro nor anti British. India used British equipment as that is what they had and were trained with when the British left. India was just very poor and was requesting help from all countries across the world. India did not want to be in either camp. India started the Non-Aligned Movement in 1953 and was one of the five founding members of the movement when it was formalized in 1961.

Nehru used the five pillars of Buddhism called Panchsheel (five restraints) as the basis of the Non-Aligned Movement. The five principles were:

• Mutual respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty.
• Mutual non-aggression.
• Mutual non-interference in domestic affairs.
• Equality and mutual benefit.
• Peaceful co-existence.

India didn't like America after the major war with Pakistan. India established friendly ties with China.

India was working with like minded developing countries of the world to stay neutral in the cold war while Pakistan chose to side US through the SEATO and CENTO pacts of 1955 whose aim was to confront the spread of communism from USSR & China.

Since Pakistan was closely aligned with the US through SEATO and CENTO pacts, US gave better equipment & deals to Pakistan when compared to India. For example, US offered India F-105 Freedom Fighter which was inferior to the F-104 Starfighter that US had already given to Pakistan. This forced India to look for options elsewhere. And this is when USSR stepped in and offered India MIG-21 in 1961 and India grabbed the offer with both hands.

India establishing the relations with China has nothing to do with USA-USSR dynamics. India established relations with China in 1950. India was the first non communist country to establish relations with PRC. The Sino-Indian Tibet agreement of 1954 was based on the same Panchsheel (five restraints) that Nehru used for NAM. In fact Zhou Enlai participated in the Bandung Conference of 1955 which was a precursor to the formation of NAM in 1961.

Few years after Sino-Soviet split, India began to bully its neighbor trying to seize lands from the weakened country.

I am assuming that you are alluding the Indo-Pak war of 1971 (Liberation of Bangladesh). India gained no land from this war and the war has nothing to do with the Sino-Soviet split.

After losing the Sino-india war, that was when India switched to Soviet Union and started buying Soviet arms that were far more affordable than British and French.

India made a deal with USSR for MIG-21s in 1961. Sino-Indian war took place in 1962.

USSR collapsed, India's relation with America were still in stalemate as US still in good ties with Pakistan. US relation with Pakistan only loosened during mid to late 90's.

After the collapse of USSR, US relations towards India were hostile. India went into a financial crisis and had to sell gold and approach IMF. US tried to force India give up Kashmir and sign CTBT.

India only started to build ties with America after 2000's.

Agree.

During Modi's new relation with US last 2 years, there was rumor where India leaked Akula class SSN tech to US which infuriated Russia. You don't call this backstabbing?

Just a disinformation campaign being carried out by some vested interests with no proof. There is no issue. In fact Russia & India are negotiating the lease of 2nd nuclear submarine.

Also the numbers of friendly exercise with US disclosing Russian military equipments capabilities giving US the clue on how to defeat the Russians.

Again wild allegations with zero proof. One can even allege that India is passing the information on Russian Equipment's performance against their Western counterparts back to Russia.

The scenario for Viva_Viet if China being destroyed by US, do you really Vietnam and Russia won't be liberated if US could destroy China? Will India protect Russia and Vietnam with military intervention if the 2 countries are attacked by US forces?

You do not understand the depth of Indo-Russian relations

1) India was the first country to procure MIG-21. Since then India has always been offered their top most technologies, in most cases exclusively, to India.

2) USSR sent its fleet to Indian Ocean to defend India from the US during the Indo-Pak 1971 war.

3) India strongly supported USSR during Afghan war.

4) India uses Russia's GLONASS for Military communication

5) After the collapse of USSR, When Russia did not have money to pay salaries at Sukhoi, India made down payment of ~$1.6 Billion in 1996 towards the SU-30 procurement with no product to evaluate even as India herself was under severe financial stress.

6) Russia is the only country with which India has an institutionalized bilateral summit meeting every year and Russia is the only country to which India has accorded the title "special and privileged strategic partner"

7) India went ahead and signed the deal with Russia for S-400s in spite of the threat of CAATSA sanctions being imposed

8) One call from Russia, India curtailed its M2K procurement in the 1980s and started procuring MIG-29s, MIG-27s, MIG-25s, MIG-23s.

9) Russia built Nuclear plants in India with no liability clause

10) India paid an additional $1.2 Billion to Russia even though it was not obliged to by the contract for procuring Russia Aircraft carrier when Russia incurred cost over runs.

 

[gambit]

Older does not mean you know history better.

Between you and me -- it does. And I know history better than you.

So now we know that YOU are not as knowledgeable about WW II as you think you do, you did not know there was an allied force in the Pacific theater. So why should we think you know anything about the Vietnam War?

Ho chi Minh didn't bring the French back to Vietnam...

Yes, he did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho–Sainteny_agreement

The Ho–Sainteny agreement was an agreement made March 6, 1946, between Ho Chi Minh, President of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and Jean Sainteny, Special Envoy of France. It recognized Vietnam as a "Free State" within the French Union, and permitted France to continue stationing troops in North Vietnam until 1951.

Ho made the deal IN FRANCE when he was a guest at Sainteny's home. France sent troops and together, France and the Viet Minh slaughtered the other Vietnamese nationalists. Then once the Viet Minh were secured in the position of military power, Ho turned on France.

As long as China's avionics work, they would win.

I am USAF veteran, F-111 in the Cold War, then F-16 in Desert Storm. What make you think you know aviation better than I do?

 

[kungfugymnast]

When CN in chaos in 2023, then No one can stop our plan to unify sub Mekong and take Malacca like CN did in 1979-1988. Malacca and SCS(east VN sea) is a crucial shipping line to JP-SK-US-ASEAN. US must think twice before attacking VN again cos blocking Malacca will cause serious damage to JP-SK-US. JP-SK will order US to remove her base in SK-JP in order to get the right to pass Malacca that under VN-RUssia's control. India can send force to strengthen Malacca control if she want

It impossible for US to attack VN from Guam and win the war ( Guam also got trouble when can not buy oil from Sing when Malacca got blocked)

Vietnam does not have the projected capability to take war to Malacca nor SCS especially if US deployed its naval fleet. No other country in that region would dare to oppose US if there wasn't China nor Russia.

India was neither pro nor anti British. India used British equipment as that is what they had and were trained with when the British left. India was just very poor and was requesting help from all countries across the world. India did not want to be in either camp. India started the Non-Aligned Movement in 1953 and was one of the five founding members of the movement when it was formalized in 1961.

Nehru used the five pillars of Buddhism called Panchsheel (five restraints) as the basis of the Non-Aligned Movement. The five principles were:

• Mutual respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty.
• Mutual non-aggression.
• Mutual non-interference in domestic affairs.
• Equality and mutual benefit.
• Peaceful co-existence.

India was working with like minded developing countries of the world to stay neutral in the cold war while Pakistan chose to side US through the SEATO and CENTO pacts of 1955 whose aim was to confront the spread of communism from USSR & China.

Since Pakistan was closely aligned with the US through SEATO and CENTO pacts, US gave better equipment & deals to Pakistan when compared to India. For example, US offered India F-105 Freedom Fighter which was inferior to the F-104 Starfighter that US had already given to Pakistan. This forced India to look for options elsewhere. And this is when USSR stepped in and offered India MIG-21 in 1961 and India grabbed the offer with both hands.

India establishing the relations with China has nothing to do with USA-USSR dynamics. India established relations with China in 1950. India was the first non communist country to establish relations with PRC. The Sino-Indian Tibet agreement of 1954 was based on the same Panchsheel (five restraints) that Nehru used for NAM. In fact Zhou Enlai participated in the Bandung Conference of 1955 which was a precursor to the formation of NAM in 1961.



I am assuming that you are alluding the Indo-Pak war of 1971 (Liberation of Bangladesh). India gained no land from this war and the war has nothing to do with the Sino-Soviet split.



India made a deal with USSR for MIG-21s in 1961. Sino-Indian war took place in 1962.



After the collapse of USSR, US relations towards India were hostile. India went into a financial crisis and had to sell gold and approach IMF. US tried to force India give up Kashmir and sign CTBT.



Agree.



Just a disinformation campaign being carried out by some vested interests with no proof. There is no issue. In fact Russia & India are negotiating the lease of 2nd nuclear submarine.



Again wild allegations with zero proof. One can even allege that India is passing the information on Russian Equipment's performance against their Western counterparts back to Russia.



You do not understand the depth of Indo-Russian relations

1) India was the first country to procure MIG-21. Since then India has always been offered their top most technologies, in most cases exclusively, to India.

2) USSR sent its fleet to Indian Ocean to defend India from the US during the Indo-Pak 1971 war.

3) India strongly supported USSR during Afghan war.

4) India uses Russia's GLONASS for Military communication

5) After the collapse of USSR, When Russia did not have money to pay salaries at Sukhoi, India made down payment of ~$1.6 Billion in 1996 towards the SU-30 procurement with no product to evaluate even as India herself was under severe financial stress.

6) Russia is the only country with which India has an institutionalized bilateral summit meeting every year and Russia is the only country to which India has accorded the title "special and privileged strategic partner"

7) India went ahead and signed the deal with Russia for S-400s in spite of the threat of CAATSA sanctions being imposed

8) One call from Russia, India curtailed its M2K procurement in the 1980s and started procuring MIG-29s, MIG-27s, MIG-25s, MIG-23s.

9) Russia built Nuclear plants in India with no liability clause

10) India paid an additional $1.2 Billion to Russia even though it was not obliged to by the contract for procuring Russia Aircraft carrier when Russia incurred cost over runs.

Thanks for the info. If US started war with China (with Gambit being recalled into service to fly the F15E), will India sit back and watch or will they side with US? Russia will definitely support China to ensure his ally to protect its east. Do you personally agree that India should start new alliance with China since Mao and Nehru have long gone that they got nothing to do with present day rulers?

Between you and me -- it does. And I know history better than you.

So now we know that YOU are not as knowledgeable about WW II as you think you do, you did not know there was an allied force in the Pacific theater. So why should we think you know anything about the Vietnam War?


Yes, he did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho–Sainteny_agreement

Ho made the deal IN FRANCE when he was a guest at Sainteny's home. France sent troops and together, France and the Viet Minh slaughtered the other Vietnamese nationalists. Then once the Viet Minh were secured in the position of military power, Ho turned on France.


I am USAF veteran, F-111 in the Cold War, then F-16 in Desert Storm. What make you think you know aviation better than I do?

You're still refused to admit that Vietnam war was French and US fault causing millions of Vietnamese deaths? Conclusion is, French wanted to continue milking Vietnam reinstated puppet government while US phobia with Vietnam communist badge. Many US veterans in Vietnam war tossed their medals venting their anger over the war that they shouldn't been there.

Yes you were ex USAF pilot in which you have been telling everyone here for more than 3 years and still bragging. So what makes you think you know much about present Russian and China avionics? Those US military personnel whom I came across said they only know what they operate on. Not all of them bother to venture much into military where some of them don't really know much and they only care about their paycheck. There are many foreigners in your army and navy (migrants).

If you really know that much, you were probably 1 of the many US pilots that didn't expect Serbia could detect and shot down the stealth f117. In desert storm, you probably didn't expect the F-15E AN/APG-70 radar would fail to acquire lock on Iraqi fighters. Imagine if there were no friendly fighters flying CAP, these strike eagles would have been splashed by Iraqi fighters. Also in desert storm, you know probably didn't expect a few F-15C launched more than a dozen AMRAAMs but missed the Iraqi Mig-25 foxbat E. You didn't expect F-15E and F/A-18C to get shot down by Iraqi obsolete SAMs or AAAs neither during deseet storm. Also the incident where Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate struck by Exocet?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Thanks for the info. If US started war with China (with Gambit being recalled into service to fly the F15E), will India sit back and watch or will they side with US? Russia will definitely support China to ensure his ally to protect its east. Do you personally agree that India should start new alliance with China since Mao and Nehru have long gone that they got nothing to do with present day rulers?

The burden of responsibility is with China.

For over a half a century, It has been China which has taken unilateral provocative steps and bullying actions towards its neighbors be it through string of pearls or Nine-Dash (or 10 or 11) Line strategies.

Now when you are feeling the heat you are expecting your neighbors to support you.

It is for China to prove to its neighbors that she is worthy of their support.

It is not your neighbors who called these outsiders out of love to SCS & Indian Ocean. It was your provocative actions that brought things to where we are.

India, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam have always been neutral.

The ball is clearly in China's court.

 

[gambit]

You're still refused to admit that Vietnam war was French and US fault causing millions of Vietnamese deaths?

No. It is France and China.

Despite historical evidence, you are still refusing to admit that the original plan for Indochina was a noble one. The original plan defied France and it was approved by the Allies, which you did not know existed in Asia in WW II.

For that ignorance, I see no need to take you seriously.

So what makes you think you know much about present Russian and China avionics?

I understand better than you, at least that much is certain.

 

[nahtanbob]

There is no risk at all. Just drop a nuke on New York City and the Americans will surrender immediately.

is anything stopping you

 

[kungfugymnast]

The burden of responsibility is with China.

For over a half a century, It has been China which has taken unilateral provocative steps and bullying actions towards its neighbors be it through string of pearls or Nine-Dash (or 10 or 11) Line strategies.

Now when you are feeling the heat you are expecting your neighbors to support you.

It is for China to prove to its neighbors that she is worthy of their support.

It is not your neighbors who called these outsiders out of love to SCS & Indian Ocean. It was your provocative actions that brought things to where we are.

India, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam have always been neutral.

The ball is clearly in China's court.

There is no bullying. China development in SCS has nothing to do with bullying at all. You probably didn't know that China only started development of spratlys after secret meeting with all Spratlys claimants. China agreed to invest in the claimants countries offering billions of funding. They have all agreed and they didn't complain with china development on spratlys until after few months later, 2 of the claimants came up with condemnation. Apparently the corrupt leaders of 2 claimants ate up the billions of fundings instead of using it for development and started asking for more cash. Their condemnation on China was to divert their people's attention away from their corruption. US Obama came in to stir up the fire supporting the 2 corrupted claimants.

After Philippines got rid of previous corrupt president, they don't have issue with China and revealed that it was Democrats Obama that have been telling them to hate China.

Vietnam at the other hand, their development been slow after receiving billions of investment from China. The Vietnamese are still behind mainly because of their corrupt leaders. The corrupt leaders
made noise mainly because they wanted more money for their own pockets and not for country development. They are up the billions enough to turn Vietnam into developed nation and use spratlys issue to divert their people's attention. Many Vietnamese in Vietnam knew this and didn't bother anymore. Those who held protests were hired actors and thugs by politicians.

No. It is France and China.

Despite historical evidence, you are still refusing to admit that the original plan for Indochina was a noble one. The original plan defied France and it was approved by the Allies, which you did not know existed in Asia in WW II.

For that ignorance, I see no need to take you seriously.


I understand better than you, at least that much is certain.

Personally you knew it was French the troublemaker. Just because you hated China because they are willing to advance and you're worry that they will overtake your country as richest nation, you blamed China. If Vietnamese managed to replace their current corrupt leaders communist party style, they would ally China and opt for development