US Navy proposing major show of force to warn China

[Kyle Sun]

You are talking on scenarios that will never happen again: a Vietnam war redux with America. It is China that poses existential threat. Not America, neither France nor Japan. Not even the UK, nor will Mongol hordes that once attacked Vietnam in three waves in ancient times.

You have been attacked so many times by western countries in your recent history and you are still naive enough to think China is your only threat?

 

[gambit]

You have been attacked so many times by western countries in your recent history and you are still naive enough to think China is your only threat?

Right NOW, China is the ONLY threat to Viet Nam. Not the US. Not France. The way I see it from history, if China under Mao had stayed out of Viet Nam when WW II ended, the Vietnam War would not have happened. So from my perspective, China is %50 to blame, with France the other %50, for causing the Vietnam War.

 

[Viet]

You have been attacked so many times by western countries in your recent history and you are still naive enough to think China is your only threat?

The PLA threatens to attack Vietnam bases in the region should Vietnam continue to drill in the waters. I don’t see other countries threatening Vietnam with war.

 

[Star Expedition]

the whole USA military force needs China to find more capital in the congress

 

[TheTruth]

Right NOW, China is the ONLY threat to Viet Nam. Not the US. Not France. The way I see it from history, if China under Mao had stayed out of Viet Nam when WW II ended, the Vietnam War would not have happened. So from my perspective, China is %50 to blame, with France the other %50, for causing the Vietnam War.

That's what the Vietnamese thought in the 1800s too...

The US is a threat to every single person alive now or in the future.

 

[kungfugymnast]

You are talking on scenarios that will never happen again: a Vietnam war redux with America. It is China that poses existential threat. Not America, neither France nor Japan. Not even the UK, nor will Mongol hordes that once attacked Vietnam in three waves in ancient times.

What threat does China pose? Embracing science and technology allowing more development where more people could get good jobs, income to feed family, buy goods and services? Banning religion so that the people won't split further and fight over religious differences?

China is being treated as threat mainly because they are willing to progress further in science, technology and development that America is afraid of losing in business and military strength competition. Petroleum is actually plenty and worthless like coal but America fooled others that petroleum is fossil fuel and rare so that they could make much from petrodollars.

The same reasons US applied on China can be used on Vietnam for same violation. Vietnam is communist, suppressing ethnic minority in south, eating dogs, execute dangerous criminals, banning freedom of speech and worship. So you're supporting a country that would influence Vietnamese to revolt and split your country? You hate China because of past old Mao leaders? Wake up and check all facts before you reply

 

[Brainsucker]

What a big deal with this? It is not the first time USN exercise in SCS, and then followed by China after that. It just tit for tat. Not a big deal.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Right NOW, China is the ONLY threat to Viet Nam. Not the US. Not France. The way I see it from history, if China under Mao had stayed out of Viet Nam when WW II ended, the Vietnam War would not have happened. So from my perspective, China is %50 to blame, with France the other %50, for causing the Vietnam War.

FYI, during French colonization of Vietnam, the Vietnamese got fed up with French conquest milking the country's resourere and people dry. French only there to harvest resources not to develop the country and safeguard welfare of the people.

The Vietnamese submitted protest to UN on French invading their country turning to America (leader of UN) for justice. American leaders turned the Vietnamese away like they are poor peasants begging for money. When France fell to nazi Germans, the French came begging from British and Americans too. They need weapons and capital support to defeat French invaders so the only option left was to turn to Soviets and China. Vietnamese army received training and weapons from China funded by Soviets defeated French.

French cried foul and complained to papa Sam America. America sent in troops to attack Vietnamese mainly because of the communist flag and to pamper the French invader. So why did America call Hitler's Nazi evil when French is no difference from Hitler in Vietnam? French got nothing to do there in Vietnam and it was war waged by Vietnamese to retake their home. China helped Vietnam and labelled as evil?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Don't have to convince, just have to show. Please check how much percentage is US market share from China GDP. You can keep living in your own assumption, if you look through all past comments from Vietnamese that still wanted hostility based on past 80's reasons, China been progressing further.

With China destroyed, Russia will be left isolated with vulnerable southern border. With embargo placed on Russia at that time, their only route only through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. Vietnam will be next commies to be liberated by America. There's no more China to supply cheap rifles to Vietnam. Another US-Vietnam war, the Americans already knew Vietnam Army jungle warfare tactics and there are new advanced weapons specifically to destroy underground tunnels and jungles. Unlike back then, Vietnam can't fight US in modern warfare anymore.

Did CN support cheap riffle to VN after 1979 ?? No, bro. We survive thanks to Soviet/Russia's support till now. Us dare not to re attack VN thanks to strong Russia's support to VN. When CN collapse, we still survive when Russia continue to support best weapon ( S 400, Su 35 etc) to us and we will even can unify sub Mekong region, taking control Malacca when no more CN attack to our border like in 1979-1988. US will lose all power in the region when Russia-VN take control of Malacca and sink all US and US'allies ships passing throught.

If CN strong enough to control Malacca & SCS( east VN sea) then US will not dare to slap sanction on u guys. But your PLA sucks, can not fight in real hard war, thats why US will defeat u in both trade war and hot war ( in 2023).

 

[kungfugymnast]

Did CN support cheap riffle to VN after 1979 ?? No, bro. We survive thanks to Soviet/Russia's support till now. Us dare not to re attack VN thanks to strong Russia's support to VN. When CN collapse, we still survive when Russia continue to support best weapon ( S 400, Su 35 etc) to us and we will even can unify sub Mekong region, taking control Malacca when no more CN attack to our border like in 1979-1988. US will lose all power in the region when Russia-VN take control of Malacca and sink all US and US'allies ships passing throught.

If CN strong enough to control Malacca & SCS( east VN sea) then US will not dare to slap sanction on u guys. But your PLA sucks, can not fight in real hard war, thats why US will defeat u in both trade war and hot war ( in 2023).

Type56 is reliable rifles made to last long. In fact, Vietnam was using the Chinese made rifles in 1979 war. Malacca belongs to another countries sovereign.

US will not dare to attack Vietnam now because it will strengthen Sino-Vietnam ties. If there is no China, Vietnam will be liberated by US as Russia could not deploy forces to Vietnam. Without China, logistics from Russia to Vietnam is totally cut off especially if embargo imposed on Vietnam. US fleet could easily setup blockade and crush Vietnam Navy.

If China setup complete defenses in spratlys, they could combat pirates and militants in SCS and protect shipping lanes of regional countries.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Type56 is reliable rifles made to last long. In fact, Vietnam was using the Chinese made rifles in 1979 war. Malacca belongs to another countries sovereign.

US will not dare to attack Vietnam now because it will strengthen Sino-Vietnam ties. If there is no China, Vietnam will be liberated by US as Russia could not deploy forces to Vietnam. Without China, logistics from Russia to Vietnam is totally cut off especially if embargo imposed on Vietnam. US fleet could easily setup blockade and crush Vietnam Navy.

If China setup complete defebsed in spratlys, they could combat pirates and militants in SCS and protect shipping lanes of regional countries.

Bro, riffle is not enough to defend a nation.We need much stronger one like S 400, Su 53 etc and Russia still fully support those weapons on Credit to VN and its impossible to block shipping line between VN-Russia cos US must sink Russia cargo ships sailing to VN and US dare not do that even during VN war. In current Syria war, Us also dare not sink Russia cargo ships.

Malacca belongs to another countries sovereign, but their regime support US, so we only need to change their regime to support VN-Russia, then we can control it.just like we kick Pol Pot out and set up pro-VN regime in Camb.

 

[gambit]

FYI, during French colonization of Vietnam, the Vietnamese got fed up with French conquest milking the country's resourere and people dry. French only there to harvest resources not to develop the country and safeguard welfare of the people.

The Vietnamese submitted protest to UN on French invading their country turning to America (leader of UN) for justice. American leaders turned the Vietnamese away like they are poor peasants begging for money. When France fell to nazi Germans, the French came begging from British and Americans too. They need weapons and capital support to defeat French invaders so the only option left was to turn to Soviets and China. Vietnamese army received training and weapons from China funded by Soviets defeated French.

French cried foul and complained to papa Sam America. America sent in troops to attack Vietnamese mainly because of the communist flag and to pamper the French invader. So why did America call Hitler's Nazi evil when French is no difference from Hitler in Vietnam? French got nothing to do there in Vietnam and it was war waged by Vietnamese to retake their home. China helped Vietnam and labelled as evil?

Clue for you, buddy...

During WW II, the Allies had plan for Indochina that would put the three countries under UN trusteeship towards independence.

Now, there are more, but am going to leave that for you to research and to reconcile with what you posted.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Clue for you, buddy...

During WW II, the Allies had plan for Indochina that would put the three countries under UN trusteeship towards independence.

Now, there are more, but am going to leave that for you to research and to reconcile with what you posted.

During WW2, western Europe and US were busy trying to save themselves. Do you even know what year is WW2? Ho Chi Minh wasn't communist when he first started his campaign to save his country. The only plan colonists have for IndoChina was divide and conquer. The only law and rights these colonists imposed protect only Europeans. The locals especially poor won't get justice and if they can't afford to appoint lawyer, whatever the locals said won't be taken into account. So the Vietnamese fought back. When Japanese army surrendered, they handed their weapons to Vietnamese independence movement.

Colonists don't talk human rights to locals, yet you came up with lies about colonists granting independence? British only grant independence if the people protested to UN and voted out. French and Dutch, the locals have to fight in order to get countries back.

As far as I know, your CIA said it's OK to cause high civilians death as long as they could overthrow communist in Vietnam, Indonesia, Afghanistan. Have you checked how many innocent people were raped, dismembered, killed or enslaved?

Do you support libtard or Trump? Do you know what made Trump behaving like libtard now? Do you know that The trade war will drive China to embrace science and technology more? If things go on, China will have more cities and middle income group. Trade war on China will drive China into world economic power.

Bro, riffle is not enough to defend a nation.We need much stronger one like S 400, Su 53 etc and Russia still fully support those weapons on Credit to VN and its impossible to block shipping line between VN-Russia cos US must sink Russia cargo ships sailing to VN and US dare not do that even during VN war. In current Syria war, Us also dare not sink Russia cargo ships.

Malacca belongs to another countries sovereign, but their regime support US, so we only need to change their regime to support VN-Russia, then we can control it.just like we kick Pol Pot out and set up pro-VN regime in Camb.

Of course rifles alone can't win you war against America. S400 and Su35 not enough neither. You need advanced military satellites, AWACS, naval fleet, pantsir and to T50 stealth fighter to hold off US invasion. Most importamt ability to detect and intercept cruise missiles.

If US placed arms embargo on Vietnam, they will setup naval and air blockade on south China Sea that no ship nor aircraft could pass through into Vietnam. Based on your scenario, if there's no more China, India would support US which means they won't let logistics in neither. Thailand would side with US. Cambodia and Burma will be closely monitored by US. Vietnam will hardly get supplies from Russia. Without China, Russia itself would be placed on embargo too.

Malacca sovereign Indonesia, Malaysia are neutral but leaning more towards China. Both bought weapons, spare parts, goods from China. Only the tiny island Singapore is US ally. They won't support Vietnam unless there's development and trade benefit.

Conclusion is Vietnam will only survive and prosper by establishing good ties with China. Check your genetics, you are the same as Chinese. China today only interested in trade. Philippines have been ally of US after defeating Spanish forces before ww1. Have you seen any development so far during the US alliance? None, still high on poverty and drugs, militant activities. After President Duterte switched alliance to China and Russia, things started to change for better, you can see development in progress. There's violation of human rights but crushing heartless criminals, drugs dealers and militants are for good. You don't talk human rights with dangerous animals.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Of course rifles alone can't win you war against America. S400 and Su35 not enough neither. You need advanced military satellites, AWACS, naval fleet, pantsir and to T50 stealth fighter to hold off US invasion. Most importamt ability to detect and intercept cruise missiles.

If US placed arms embargo on Vietnam, they will setup naval and air blockade on south China Sea that no ship nor aircraft could pass through into Vietnam. Based on your scenario, if there's no more China, India would support US which means they won't let logistics in neither. Thailand would side with US. Cambodia and Burma will be closely monitored by US. Vietnam will hardly get supplies from Russia. Without China, Russia itself would be placed on embargo too.

Malacca sovereign Indonesia, Malaysia are neutral but leaning more towards China. Both bought weapons, spare parts, goods from China. Only the tiny island Singapore is US ally. They won't support Vietnam unless there's development and trade benefit.

Conclusion is Vietnam will only survive and prosper by establishing good ties with China. Check your genetics, you are the same as Chinese. China today only interested in trade. Philippines have been ally of US after defeating Spanish forces before ww1. Have you seen any development so far during the US alliance? None, still high on poverty and drugs, militant activities. After President Duterte switched alliance to China and Russia, things started to change for better, you can see development in progress. There's violation of human rights but crushing heartless criminals, drugs dealers and militants are for good. You don't talk human rights with dangerous animals.

wow. show me when US has the guts to sink Russian cargo ships ??

after 1979 VN control Laos-Camb. VN attacked Thai from 1979 to 1988 but NO one came to help her except CN. when CN collapse No one help her against VN again. bro

 

[Oldman1]

Not might survive. We shed some extra weight. USA will be reduced to only 10 million and most of those will be black people taking revenge on the surviving whites.

LOL a country without any offensive weapons taking on China? We just drop a nuke on Tokyo and they will forget all about the Diaoyu Islands.

You won't shed anything because there are enough nukes to kill the world's population, and your country doesn't have the world's entire population.