US Navy proposing major show of force to warn China

[SuvarnaTeja]

There is no bullying. China development in SCS has nothing to do with bullying at all. You probably didn't know that China only started development of spratlys after secret meeting with all Spratlys claimants. China agreed to invest in the claimants countries offering billions of funding. They have all agreed and they didn't complain with china development on spratlys until after few months later, 2 of the claimants came up with condemnation. Apparently the corrupt leaders of 2 claimants ate up the billions of fundings instead of using it for development and started asking for more cash. Their condemnation on China was to divert their people's attention away from their corruption. US Obama came in to stir up the fire supporting the 2 corrupted claimants.

After Philippines got rid of previous corrupt president, they don't have issue with China and revealed that it was Democrats Obama that have been telling them to hate China.

Vietnam at the other hand, their development been slow after receiving billions of investment from China. The Vietnamese are still behind mainly because of their corrupt leaders. The corrupt leaders
made noise mainly because they wanted more money for their own pockets and not for country development. They are up the billions enough to turn Vietnam into developed nation and use spratlys issue to divert their people's attention. Many Vietnamese in Vietnam knew this and didn't bother anymore. Those who held protests were hired actors and thugs by politicians.

What is your view on this?

China positions submarine and rescue vehicle in Indian Ocean
This is the eighth such deployment of a PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) submarine in the Indian Ocean for what China calls anti-piracy patrols and the first since the 72-day standoff between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam called off in August last year.
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• Sandeep Unnithan
• New Delhi
• October 15, 2018
• UPDATED: October 15, 2018 15:25 IST

Submarine rescue vehicle, Hai Yangdao, arriving in Colombo port on October 4.
HIGHLIGHTS

• Resumption of Chinese submarine patrols have piqued the Indian Navy's interest
• Submarine rescue vessel and submarine were detected by Indian maritime patrol aircraft in October
• Indian Navy on October 13 announced it had acquired its first submarine rescue vessel

China has deployed a submarine in the Indian Ocean in October after a gap of over a year. Senior officials in the Defence Ministry told India Today that a Type O39A Yuan class SSK (diesel-electric attack submarine) accompanied by a submarine rescue vessel was sent into the Indian Ocean this month.

This is the eighth such deployment of a PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) submarine in the Indian Ocean for what China calls anti-piracy patrols, and the first since the 72-day standoff between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam called off in August last year.


The last submarine in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) was also a Yuan class SSK with the Chinese Navy support ship, in June 2017.

Then, in October 2017, after the two vessels returned to base, there was a year-long pause. The resumption of Chinese submarine patrols have piqued the Indian Navy's interest. The PLAN submarine rescue vessel 'Hai Yangdao' and submarine were detected and tracked by an Indian IL-38 long-range maritime patrol aircraft as they made their way into the Indian Ocean.

While the submarine docked at the Colombo port on October 4, the Yuan class submarine remained out at the sea. In May 2017, Colombo had declined permission for a Chinese submarine to dock at its harbor after India's protest in 2014.

Hai Yangdao is a Type 926 class submarine tender, believed to be the PLAN's most advanced submarine rescue vessel. The ship carries onboard a British-built LR7 submarine rescue vessel which the Chinese Navy acquired in 2008. The rescue submarine can operate in depths of 300 metres and can extract 18 submariners from a bottomed submarine.

Officials said, "In previous deployments, Chinese submarines have been accompanied by submarine tenders.This is the first time they have sent a submarine rescue vessel. The Hai Yangdao and the submarine were sailed out from Colombo towards the Gulf of Aden on October 7."

Interestingly, the Indian Navy on October 13 announced it had acquired its first submarine rescue vessel. "The Indian Navy joins a select league of nations with the capability to locate and provide rescue to distressed submarines by induction of its first DSRV and associated kit in flyaway configuration," according to the spokerperson at Indian Navy.

Defence officials read more than just a coincidence into the deployment of the PLAN's rescue ship. "The PLAN clearly wants to demonstrate the fact that it can also be a net provider of submarine rescue in the Indian Ocean region," the officials said.

China intends to project power into the Indian Ocean region (IOR) through its submarine deployments which began in December 2013 with the three-month patrol of a Shang class nuclear powered attack submarine in the IOR.

The patrol followed President Xi Jingping's 2013 announcement of the Belt and Road initiative, a China-centric trading network estimated to cost over $4 trillion. The IOR is key to what China calls the 'Maritime Silk Road'.

The Indian Navy is closely watching the Yuan class for several reasons. The Yuan SSK displaces 3,600 tons is a Chinese copy of the Kilo class submarine and is armed with torpedoes and anti-ship missiles.

A Yuan class on an IOR deployment made a port call at Karachi in 2015 and the following year, Pakistan announced it was buying eight Yuan class submarines from China under a deal believed to be worth $5 billion. The first four submarines are being built in China and likely to be delivered to Pakistan by 2023.

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• Chinese troops crossed Line of Actual Control in the Arunachal Sector
  
  Watch | Exclusive: China made 14 incursions in Ladakh in August
  
  

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ehicle-in-the-indian-ocean-1368286-2018-10-15

 

[gambit]

Personally you knew it was French the troublemaker.

I did named France as part cause of the Vietnam War.

Just because you hated China because they are willing to advance and you're worry that they will overtake your country as richest nation, you blamed China.

Once Mao defeated Chiang Kai-shek, he got China involved in Viet Nam when there was no need to do so.

France lost Viet Nam and wanted to return as colonial master, so in a perspective, France had cause towards Viet Nam. But what did China have? Nothing. China had no burden, no debt, and no responsibilities towards Viet Nam. When the Viet Minh asked Mao to help spread communism in Viet Nam, Mao could have refused. If China had stayed out of Viet Nam, the Viet Minh would have been helpless against other nationalists. The US would have kept France out of Viet Nam as originally planned during WW II. Then any conflict would have been truly a civil war between Vietnamese.

But since China chose to get involved in Viet Nam, that made China the co-starter of the Viet Nam War.

I told you I would make you look ignorant and foolish. If you did not know of the Indochina UN trusteeship plan and the Ho-Sainteny Agreement, what else are you ignorant about the war? Am willing to be plenty of ignorance. My advice to you: stay out of the Vietnam War discussions.

 

[kungfugymnast]

What is your view on this?

China positions submarine and rescue vehicle in Indian Ocean
This is the eighth such deployment of a PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) submarine in the Indian Ocean for what China calls anti-piracy patrols and the first since the 72-day standoff between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam called off in August last year.
ADVERTISEMENT

• Sandeep Unnithan
• New Delhi
• October 15, 2018
• UPDATED: October 15, 2018 15:25 IST

Submarine rescue vehicle, Hai Yangdao, arriving in Colombo port on October 4.
HIGHLIGHTS

• Resumption of Chinese submarine patrols have piqued the Indian Navy's interest
• Submarine rescue vessel and submarine were detected by Indian maritime patrol aircraft in October
• Indian Navy on October 13 announced it had acquired its first submarine rescue vessel

China has deployed a submarine in the Indian Ocean in October after a gap of over a year. Senior officials in the Defence Ministry told India Today that a Type O39A Yuan class SSK (diesel-electric attack submarine) accompanied by a submarine rescue vessel was sent into the Indian Ocean this month.

This is the eighth such deployment of a PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) submarine in the Indian Ocean for what China calls anti-piracy patrols, and the first since the 72-day standoff between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam called off in August last year.


The last submarine in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) was also a Yuan class SSK with the Chinese Navy support ship, in June 2017.

Then, in October 2017, after the two vessels returned to base, there was a year-long pause. The resumption of Chinese submarine patrols have piqued the Indian Navy's interest. The PLAN submarine rescue vessel 'Hai Yangdao' and submarine were detected and tracked by an Indian IL-38 long-range maritime patrol aircraft as they made their way into the Indian Ocean.

While the submarine docked at the Colombo port on October 4, the Yuan class submarine remained out at the sea. In May 2017, Colombo had declined permission for a Chinese submarine to dock at its harbor after India's protest in 2014.

Hai Yangdao is a Type 926 class submarine tender, believed to be the PLAN's most advanced submarine rescue vessel. The ship carries onboard a British-built LR7 submarine rescue vessel which the Chinese Navy acquired in 2008. The rescue submarine can operate in depths of 300 metres and can extract 18 submariners from a bottomed submarine.

Officials said, "In previous deployments, Chinese submarines have been accompanied by submarine tenders.This is the first time they have sent a submarine rescue vessel. The Hai Yangdao and the submarine were sailed out from Colombo towards the Gulf of Aden on October 7."

Interestingly, the Indian Navy on October 13 announced it had acquired its first submarine rescue vessel. "The Indian Navy joins a select league of nations with the capability to locate and provide rescue to distressed submarines by induction of its first DSRV and associated kit in flyaway configuration," according to the spokerperson at Indian Navy.

Defence officials read more than just a coincidence into the deployment of the PLAN's rescue ship. "The PLAN clearly wants to demonstrate the fact that it can also be a net provider of submarine rescue in the Indian Ocean region," the officials said.

China intends to project power into the Indian Ocean region (IOR) through its submarine deployments which began in December 2013 with the three-month patrol of a Shang class nuclear powered attack submarine in the IOR.

The patrol followed President Xi Jingping's 2013 announcement of the Belt and Road initiative, a China-centric trading network estimated to cost over $4 trillion. The IOR is key to what China calls the 'Maritime Silk Road'.

The Indian Navy is closely watching the Yuan class for several reasons. The Yuan SSK displaces 3,600 tons is a Chinese copy of the Kilo class submarine and is armed with torpedoes and anti-ship missiles.

A Yuan class on an IOR deployment made a port call at Karachi in 2015 and the following year, Pakistan announced it was buying eight Yuan class submarines from China under a deal believed to be worth $5 billion. The first four submarines are being built in China and likely to be delivered to Pakistan by 2023.

• 
  
• 
  
• Chinese troops crossed Line of Actual Control in the Arunachal Sector
  
  Watch | Exclusive: China made 14 incursions in Ladakh in August
  

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ehicle-in-the-indian-ocean-1368286-2018-10-15

Thanks for the details and great info. That is not for war but looks more like the PLAN is carrying out research and testing in Indian ocean. They can't do this at Pacific ocean as there is no port for support and resupply. The port at Sri Lanka could accommodate the submarine testing and training. Probably to spy on US secret base in Diego Garcia.

In 2015, the submarine was there to perform its capabilities and to promote sales to Pakistan. If not mistaken, Pakistan bought and later Thailand navy.

The belt and road project is to encourage growth of countries along the path in hope of able to sell China goods and services. If you look at America that always ask for boycott on China goods, so alternative is to create new customers. China have both affordable and premium quality goods that could cater for these countries. You can see many Bhutan and Nepal citizens having to work overseas due to no job opportunity at home. To solve the issue, China offers development and loan.

I did named France as part cause of the Vietnam War.


Once Mao defeated Chiang Kai-shek, he got China involved in Viet Nam when there was no need to do so.

France lost Viet Nam and wanted to return as colonial master, so in a perspective, France had cause towards Viet Nam. But what did China have? Nothing. China had no burden, no debt, and no responsibilities towards Viet Nam. When the Viet Minh asked Mao to help spread communism in Viet Nam, Mao could have refused. If China had stayed out of Viet Nam, the Viet Minh would have been helpless against other nationalists. The US would have kept France out of Viet Nam as originally planned during WW II. Then any conflict would have been truly a civil war between Vietnamese.

But since China chose to get involved in Viet Nam, that made China the co-starter of the Viet Nam War.

I told you I would make you look ignorant and foolish. If you did not know of the Indochina UN trusteeship plan and the Ho-Sainteny Agreement, what else are you ignorant about the war? Am willing to be plenty of ignorance. My advice to you: stay out of the Vietnam War discussions.

If my good neighbor lost his home to bunch of gangster, he came to me for help as police refused to help. Since I can fight and at the same time, I sell swords for living. Anything wrong if I gave him a sword and train him how to fight?

France created puppet government to foil Vietnamese plan for independence before the Vietnamese could defeat the entire French army. US plan was to help the new puppet government that had no support from the people. If China didn't help Ho Chi Minh, the new capital today would have been Saigon.

Seems more like you got the shame instead. You haven't answered on the avionics part. Did you expect those unexpected scenarios to happen while you were still in the air force? You didn't, do you?

 

[KAL-EL]

is anything stopping you

Well for starters.. He/she is nothing more than your average hyper nationalist troll who has absolutely no power in the real world.

All this person can do is to come to forums like this one and thump their chest.

 

[gambit]

If my good neighbor lost his home to bunch of gangster, he came to me for help as police refused to help. Since I can fight and at the same time, I sell swords for living. Anything wrong if I gave him a sword and train him how to fight?

No, the police was going to help. The police in this case was the US. Did you not read the link I gave you where Indochina was going to be under UN administration towards independence? Did that link have too many hard words for you?

Face it, son. You were proven an ignorant about this subject.

You haven't answered on the avionics part.

You should read my posts about aviation in this forum. You will actually learn something, like I do know better than you about avionics.

 

[Viva_Viet]

No, the police was going to help. The police in this case was the US. Did you not read the link I gave you where Indochina was going to be under UN administration towards independence? Did that link have too many hard words for you?

Face it, son. You were proven an ignorant about this subject.


You should read my posts about aviation in this forum. You will actually learn something, like I do know better than you about avionics.

WHy dont u stop it old man ?? even US ppl admit that they supported bad guys France to re colonize VN, why u keep barking endlessly since I've been here (2011) even when they admit their fault ??

U r around 60 year old now, just take a rest and die in peace, old man.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Thanks for the details and great info. That is not for war but looks more like the PLAN is carrying out research and testing in Indian ocean. They can't do this at Pacific ocean as there is no port for support and resupply. The port at Sri Lanka could accommodate the submarine testing and training. Probably to spy on US secret base in Diego Garcia.

In 2015, the submarine was there to perform its capabilities and to promote sales to Pakistan. If not mistaken, Pakistan bought and later Thailand navy.

The belt and road project is to encourage growth of countries along the path in hope of able to sell China goods and services. If you look at America that always ask for boycott on China goods, so alternative is to create new customers. China have both affordable and premium quality goods that could cater for these countries. You can see many Bhutan and Nepal citizens having to work overseas due to no job opportunity at home. To solve the issue, China offers development and loan.

Not convincing. China already has its own naval base in Djibouti . The docking in Srilanka is obviously to confront India not the US.

Is it ok if India docks its naval vessels and subs in Taiwan?

China takes such threatening and bullying initiatives and then wonders why world does not support it.

China is already selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of goods to India and her neighbors. Subs have no relation to trade. Let's not obfuscate the issue.

China is challenging the U.S. in the Horn of Africa — and Washington is silent




By Josh Rogin
Columnist
September 27

The Horn of Africa has become a strategic linchpin for the United States, so the fact that China has dramatically escalated its involvement there presents a daunting challenge for U.S. policymakers. Nowhere is this more evident than in the tiny country of Djibouti, where Beijing is aggressively expanding its influence.

When China opened its first overseas military base in Djibouti last year, Washington took a wait-and-see approach. The United States, Japan, France and Italy all have bases in the area, so the Chinese military presence was a test case of whether Beijing’s military expansion in Africa would be an opportunity for cooperation or a source of potential conflict. A year later, the verdict is increasingly clear.

The Chinese military base is only one part of a steady encroachment into Djibouti that now threatens the diplomatic and national security interests of the United States and its allies.

Earlier this year, the Djiboutian government, which is heavily indebted to Beijing, seized control of Doraleh Container Terminal from Dubai-based DP World. Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh invoked “emergency” measures to ignore legal rulings in the United Kingdom meant to prevent his seizure of the port.

The Djiboutian government is expected to hand over operations of the port to Chinese state-connected firms and in July announced a partnership with one of them to establish a massive free trade zone in the country. Situated along one of the busiest commercial sea lanes in the world, Chinese economic interests are clear. Djibouti stands to be a key node in China’s “string of pearls ” strategy, which links key ports to their greater “One Belt, One Road” initiative.

Meanwhile, Beijing’s military activities in Djibouti are of increasing concern. The U.S. base there is a key launching pad for anti-terrorism and intelligence operations against the Islamic State, al-Qaeda, al-Shabab and Boko Haram. The United States in May publicly accused China of using high-grade lasers to repeatedly attack U.S. pilots operating out of that base.

That prompted Congress to pass legislation last month that includes language requiring the Pentagon to provide a formal assessment of China’s military presence in Djibouti and the threat it poses to U.S. military personnel. Lawmakers are also concerned that Beijing is using its presence in Djibouti to facilitate an illicit arms-trade network that funnels money to the Guelleh regime.

“Guelleh’s dictatorial reign has been largely fueled by a steady flow of Chinese cash, palaces and gifts,” Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) wrote in a Sept. 24 letter to U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley. “With new reports indicating his government is profiting from the burgeoning arms trade supplying Houthi rebels in Yemen and terrorist groups the U.S. is combatting across the African continent, it is time for his reckless and unscrupulous behavior to be firmly addressed by the United States.”

Over the past five years, China’s official arms sales to Africa have increased by 55 percent and its share of the African arms market has doubled to 17 percent, surpassing the United States, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. There is also growing evidence that Djibouti is emerging as a strategic transit node for illegal weapons smuggled between Yemen and places such as Somalia.

The Chinese government has a long history of fueling instability in Africa by trading in weapons with rogue regimes. China sent massive amounts of weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe in 2008 while it was under a European Union arms embargo. Beijing long supplied arms to Sudanese dictator Omar al-Bashir that contributed to genocide in South Sudan.

What’s new is that, under President Xi Jinping, Beijing now has the power, influence and intention to combine its economic, diplomatic and military interference in Africa to wide-ranging effect.

“China’s strategy on the continent is a comprehensive one, including economic, political and security elements,” said Joshua Eisenman, assistant professor at the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin. “For years we’ve looked primarily at the economic side, but now, as China’s relations with Djibouti demonstrate, the political and security elements have become an increasingly important part of China’s relations with African states.”

The U.S. government, so far, seems unwilling or unable to confront the problem. A spokesman for the State Department’s Africa bureau told me that U.S. policy is not to curtail any other actor’s constructive involvement in Africa, but to encourage them insofar as their influence positively supports good governance, rule of law and anti-corruption efforts.

With regard to China’s involvement in Djibouti, that ship has sailed. The Trump administration needs to shift to an approach that places pressure on China to behave better in Djibouti and encourages the Guelleh government to reject Beijing’s scheme to turn that country into a Chinese vassal — before that instability further harms U.S. and African interests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8e039a37ce70

 

[gambit]

WHy dont u stop it old man ?? even US ppl admit that they supported bad guys France to re colonize VN, why u keep barking endlessly since I've been here (2011) even when they admit their fault ??

U r around 60 year old now, just take a rest and die in peace, old man.

You cannot deny the fact that it was Ho who made it possible for France to return to Viet Nam. Without that pact, the Vietnam War would never happened.

 

[Viva_Viet]

You cannot deny the fact that it was Ho who made it possible for France to return to Viet Nam. Without that pact, the Vietnam War would never happened.

I sent u the link in English proved that its France who coluded wt Chiang to send French troops back to VN and u still delude yourself to somthing unreal??

 

[gambit]

I sent u the link in English proved that its France who coluded wt Chiang to send French troops back to VN and u still delude yourself to somthing unreal??

And it was meaningless. Why the deal with Ho?

 

[Viva_Viet]

And it was meaningless. Why the deal with Ho?

Vietnam 1946: How the War Began

google book read page 52

or u can read the whole book, upto u.

 

[Viva_Viet]

https://books.google.com.vn/books?i...tiate with chiang kai shek to vietnam&f=false

Since January 8, a team of French negotiators led by ... signed in Chongqing onFebruary 28, the French gave up zhanjiang as well as all ...

 

[gambit]

Vietnam 1946: How the War Began

google book read page 52

or u can read the whole book, upto u.

Why did Ho made the deal with France?

 

[kungfugymnast]

Not convincing. China already has its own naval base in Djibouti . The docking in Srilanka is obviously to confront India not the US.

Is it ok if India docks its naval vessels and subs in Taiwan?

China takes such threatening and bullying initiatives and then wonders why world does not support it.

China is already selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of goods to India and her neighbors. Subs have no relation to trade. Let's not obfuscate the issue.

China is challenging the U.S. in the Horn of Africa — and Washington is silent




By Josh Rogin
Columnist
September 27

The Horn of Africa has become a strategic linchpin for the United States, so the fact that China has dramatically escalated its involvement there presents a daunting challenge for U.S. policymakers. Nowhere is this more evident than in the tiny country of Djibouti, where Beijing is aggressively expanding its influence.

When China opened its first overseas military base in Djibouti last year, Washington took a wait-and-see approach. The United States, Japan, France and Italy all have bases in the area, so the Chinese military presence was a test case of whether Beijing’s military expansion in Africa would be an opportunity for cooperation or a source of potential conflict. A year later, the verdict is increasingly clear.

The Chinese military base is only one part of a steady encroachment into Djibouti that now threatens the diplomatic and national security interests of the United States and its allies.

Earlier this year, the Djiboutian government, which is heavily indebted to Beijing, seized control of Doraleh Container Terminal from Dubai-based DP World. Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh invoked “emergency” measures to ignore legal rulings in the United Kingdom meant to prevent his seizure of the port.

The Djiboutian government is expected to hand over operations of the port to Chinese state-connected firms and in July announced a partnership with one of them to establish a massive free trade zone in the country. Situated along one of the busiest commercial sea lanes in the world, Chinese economic interests are clear. Djibouti stands to be a key node in China’s “string of pearls ” strategy, which links key ports to their greater “One Belt, One Road” initiative.

Meanwhile, Beijing’s military activities in Djibouti are of increasing concern. The U.S. base there is a key launching pad for anti-terrorism and intelligence operations against the Islamic State, al-Qaeda, al-Shabab and Boko Haram. The United States in May publicly accused China of using high-grade lasers to repeatedly attack U.S. pilots operating out of that base.

That prompted Congress to pass legislation last month that includes language requiring the Pentagon to provide a formal assessment of China’s military presence in Djibouti and the threat it poses to U.S. military personnel. Lawmakers are also concerned that Beijing is using its presence in Djibouti to facilitate an illicit arms-trade network that funnels money to the Guelleh regime.

“Guelleh’s dictatorial reign has been largely fueled by a steady flow of Chinese cash, palaces and gifts,” Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) wrote in a Sept. 24 letter to U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley. “With new reports indicating his government is profiting from the burgeoning arms trade supplying Houthi rebels in Yemen and terrorist groups the U.S. is combatting across the African continent, it is time for his reckless and unscrupulous behavior to be firmly addressed by the United States.”

Over the past five years, China’s official arms sales to Africa have increased by 55 percent and its share of the African arms market has doubled to 17 percent, surpassing the United States, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. There is also growing evidence that Djibouti is emerging as a strategic transit node for illegal weapons smuggled between Yemen and places such as Somalia.

The Chinese government has a long history of fueling instability in Africa by trading in weapons with rogue regimes. China sent massive amounts of weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe in 2008 while it was under a European Union arms embargo. Beijing long supplied arms to Sudanese dictator Omar al-Bashir that contributed to genocide in South Sudan.

What’s new is that, under President Xi Jinping, Beijing now has the power, influence and intention to combine its economic, diplomatic and military interference in Africa to wide-ranging effect.

“China’s strategy on the continent is a comprehensive one, including economic, political and security elements,” said Joshua Eisenman, assistant professor at the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin. “For years we’ve looked primarily at the economic side, but now, as China’s relations with Djibouti demonstrate, the political and security elements have become an increasingly important part of China’s relations with African states.”

The U.S. government, so far, seems unwilling or unable to confront the problem. A spokesman for the State Department’s Africa bureau told me that U.S. policy is not to curtail any other actor’s constructive involvement in Africa, but to encourage them insofar as their influence positively supports good governance, rule of law and anti-corruption efforts.

With regard to China’s involvement in Djibouti, that ship has sailed. The Trump administration needs to shift to an approach that places pressure on China to behave better in Djibouti and encourages the Guelleh government to reject Beijing’s scheme to turn that country into a Chinese vassal — before that instability further harms U.S. and African interests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8e039a37ce70

Mao era has long gone. Chinese, if they wanted to invade, they will only invade country that has same ethnic like Taiwan. If you check mainland history, they don't invade India at all because of different genetics people. None of the dynasties other than Jin empire (led by mongolian warlords) did. Only Mongolian and Japanese would invade land with different genetic people.

There is no point for China to invade India at all. The culture and people are different, having more population to take care of is headache for the government.

Only US setup bases overseas meant war war and intimidation. China setup bases overseas mainly for trade and military research or arms sales. China is more interested to trade with India than war. Those subs and ships there at most only to conduct detection and maneuver research.

Russia has been selling military arms to bad dictators too. Only US and EU had restriction on countries hostile to US. Before this French were neutral arms dealer like Russia and China before French were ordered to join the ban. French sold weapons to Argentine in Falklands war against British and to Iraq in Desert Storm against US. Every country against US coalition deserved rights to buy weapons. Competition makes things better especially having variety of suppliers. Also weapons made by China or Russia will only improve if being used against US weapons by these countries in conflict.

Look at Africa, many of them have not developed so far. US called them shit hole and no country would bother to develop these countries. US kept saying China is stealing lands but these lands are worthless if there's no natural resources or development. US didn't bother with land grab in these countries because Americans refuse to develop these countries. China took the lands and they develop all the infrastructures for Africans to have place to run business and get jobs while in return China hoping they could afford to buy China goods.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Mao era has long gone. Chinese, if they wanted to invade, they will only invade country that has same ethnic like Taiwan. If you check mainland history, they don't invade India at all because of different genetics people. None of the dynasties other than Jin empire (led by mongolian warlords) did. Only Mongolian and Japanese would invade land with different genetic people.

There is no point for China to invade India at all. The culture and people are different, having more population to take care of is headache for the government.

Only US setup bases overseas meant war war and intimidation. China setup bases overseas mainly for trade and military research or arms sales. China is more interested to trade with India than war. Those subs and ships there at most only to conduct detection and maneuver research.

Russia has been selling military arms to bad dictators too. Only US and EU had restriction on countries hostile to US. Before this French were neutral arms dealer like Russia and China before French were ordered to join the ban. French sold weapons to Argentine in Falklands war against British and to Iraq in Desert Storm against US. Every country against US coalition deserved rights to buy weapons. Competition makes things better especially having variety of suppliers. Also weapons made by China or Russia will only improve if being used against US weapons by these countries in conflict.

Look at Africa, many of them have not developed so far. US called them shit hole and no country would bother to develop these countries. US kept saying China is stealing lands but these lands are worthless if there's no natural resources or development. US didn't bother with land grab in these countries because Americans refuse to develop these countries. China took the lands and they develop all the infrastructures for Africans to have place to run business and get jobs while in return China hoping they could afford to buy China goods.

India and China may be genetically different but culturally share the same Asian values

Business is very welcome but subs are not. In fact the trade between China and India is growing at an exponential pace.

India has no problem with China's BRI except in case of CPEC passing through Jammu & Kashmir as it is a question of India's sovereignty.