US backs India-Iran Chabahar port deal as it outflanks China-Pakistan Gwadar project

[GURU DUTT]

I don't know from where you got these images, but if these are true thn look at the first pic oil pipelines from iran via Pakistan is the shortest way instead of iran-afghanistan-kyrgystan thn China.

you may be right but distance between northen iran to uzbegistan to kazakistan to kirgistan to china is much shorter and safer than for kashghar to gawadar and since the cost will be lower as the terrain is much more or less same new silk route is much economical and relativelly nearer to mainland china and above all all it takes to tranport all that oil and gas is a simple pipe line with no hastle of loading and unloading at diffrent stages rest you sir can speculate yourself

point is China is building CEPC as an insurence policy if there is problem in movement of its maratime commercial traffic from SCS tomalakka straits to bay of bengal to arbian sea to seuz canal to europe and beyond

while India is developing Chabahar as a short route from chabahar to afghansitan or chabahar to central asia to russia its in no way to competete with gawadar as both have diffrent objectives but its the carefully cultivated paranoia against so called "evil indian design" that is the major stumbling block than anything else cheers mate

 

[janu.bravo]

you may be right but distance between northen iran to uzbegistan to kazakistan to kirgistan to china is much shorter and safer than for kashghar to gawadar and since the cost will be lower as the terrain is much more or less same new silk route is much economical and relativelly nearer to mainland china and above all all it takes to tranport all that oil and gas is a simple pipe line with no hastle of loading and unloading at diffrent stages rest you sir can speculate yourself

point is China is building CEPC as an insurence policy if there is problem in movement of its maratime commercial traffic from SCS tomalakka straits to bay of bengal to arbian sea to seuz canal to europe and beyond

while India is developing Chabahar as a short route from chabahar to afghansitan or chabahar to central asia to russia its in no way to competete with gawadar as both have diffrent objectives but its the carefully cultivated paranoia against so called "evil indian design" that is the major stumbling block than anything else cheers mate

I highly doubt that, if China is investing in Pakistan where no one is currently investing due to war situation plus other reasons thn this must not be a alternative route(its a simple logic), specially with other projects like electricity gawadar development etc; this really indicates that CPEC is their primary route for all supplements plus for other factors too e.g. Naval presence.

 

[BetterPakistan]

well in a way it is but its only some powerfull and greedy people in pakistan which want them to be seen as enemies by the pakistani awaam .... cheers mate

After reading your post, your FM statement came into my mind

PM Modi has specified China-Pakistan economic corridor unacceptable: Sushma Swaraj

We all know how much money was given to your spy agency to destabilize CPEC and balochistan. Kulbhushan yadhev also told us modi's plan so its not about greedy people in Pakistan, its about your PM mate.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I highly doubt that, if China is investing in Pakistan where no one is currently investing due to war situation plus other reasons thn this must not be a alternative route(its a simple logic), specially with other projects like electricity gawadar development etc; this really indicates that CPEC is their primary route for all supplements plus for other factors too e.g. Naval presence.

sir you can doubt anything hardly matters but with all deu respect sir Chinese are a very smart race and are building CEPC for long term security cause they know they cant bully USA and its Navy into submission for at least two if not three decades or even more to come cause US navy rules almost all the Vital sea links with help of there allies hence they want to connect there trade wia land routes

and as they say "never put all your eggs in the same basket & never count your chickens before they hatch "

Chinas ancient life line for trade was always Silk Route and they want to revive it again after almost 5 centuries and this time since they have all the money and power they are doing it on multiple fronts

dont want to sound like a conspiracy theorist both US & West always knew that will happen one day and for that they first reorganised/divided the middle east in a way that fire of rebellion always keeps simmiring and this route will never be oprational and the british afghan wars and later USSR Afghan war and now WOT are part of the same idology (to avoid restrating of ancient silk road or now its New Silk Route and Oil Pipelines ) as it will kill there sea based trade and economy dependent on oil from GCC states and seuz canal

so now china is on verge of completeing New silk route + CEPC-Gawadar link and maratime silk route and so called String of pearls and soonar than later China has to make peace with india for a long term stability or it will be like same chaos

rest you can speculate yourself

 

[tarrar]

US & Iran were & are always one, Iran is just fooling people with their lies that they hate US & same comes from US. US never wanted to see Gawadar port take, so they tried their very best to press Gen. Musharraf for handing Gawadar port to US but Gen. Musharraf did the right thing by giving the project to China as he knew about US game plan against Pakistan. US, Iran, India & Afghanistan are one on Chabhar port & completely against Gawadar port.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

1) Lol, you have iota of diplomatic knowledge, China protest India on South China Sea, so in return India show mirror to china , in form of CPEC.

2) well future will tell , a few terrorist can control the highway to ransom. May be some Freedom fighters which wanted to liberate AJK from PAK burn containers on the highway..... lol.....

tall words from a short little dummy.....has nothing to do with S. China sea and everything to do with the delusional indian establishment which thinks AZAD Kashmir is part of india (which it never will be rest assured)

the only liberation feelings in Kashmir are those against india. All Kashmiris in iOK may not necessarily be pro-Pakistan but all Kashmiris on both sides of LoC hate the very concept of being labelled "indian" (an insult) or singing that shirk promoting vande mataram which no Kashmiris ever chant

you people are just delusional over Kashmir and butt-hurt over a Chinese investment that will benefit both Pakistan, China and Central Asia in the longer term. Keep barking though, maybe it's all you can do

US & Iran were & are always one, Iran is just fooling people with their lies that they hate US & same comes from US. US never wanted to see Gawadar port take, so they tried their very best to press Gen. Musharraf for handing Gawadar port to US but Gen. Musharraf did the right thing by giving the project to China as he knew about US game plan against Pakistan. US, Iran, India & Afghanistan are one on Chabhar port & completely against Gawadar port.

Thus far Chah Bahar is more of a flop than anything else and I dont think there's any ruse behind US and Iran.....the deep states in both countries still hate eachother to the core due to diametrically opposed regional interests

 

[Alpha Fighter]

tall words from a short little dummy.....has nothing to do with S. China sea and everything to do with the delusional indian establishment which thinks AZAD Kashmir is part of india (which it never will be rest assured)

the only liberation feelings in Kashmir are those against india. All Kashmiris in iOK may not necessarily be pro-Pakistan but all Kashmiris on both sides of LoC hate the very concept of being labelled "indian" (an insult) or singing that shirk promoting vande mataram which no Kashmiris ever chant

you people are just delusional over Kashmir and butt-hurt over a Chinese investment that will benefit both Pakistan, China and Central Asia in the longer term. Keep barking though, maybe it's all you can do

Well Azad Kashmir, u must be aware about realty , and demo against PAK etc, With impunity you kill in Azad Kashmir etc and never allowed new to go out.

Moreover Both India and PAK knows their no one in the WORLD or GOD can change the LOC.

Vande matram / living with Other religion / Acceptance of other religion is MUSLIMS problem world wide. Nothing specific to Kashmiri.

We are not , we just showing mirror to hypocrites which do double talk . aka China and PAK..

BTW , Chinese Muslims also don't like CHINA or their culture, But the way Chinese treat MUSLIMS their , if India started treating Kashmiri , you will start crying like anything.

Thus far Chah Bahar is more of a flop than anything else and I dont think there's any ruse behind US and Iran.....the deep states in both countries still hate each other to the core due to diametrically opposed regional interests

This is Port is made the Afgan free from PAK blackmailing..... India and IRAN worked together in Afgan / and with NA during the period of Taliban.

Its is best of India diplomacy, India is friend with Israeli/ Iran/ US / Russian and no one is offended.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Well ***, u must be aware about realty , and demo against PAK etc, With impunity you kill in *** etc and never allowed new to go out.

Moreover Both India and PAK knows their no one in the WORLD or GOD can change the LOC.

Vande matram / living with Other religion / Acceptance of other religion is MUSLIMS problem world wide. Nothing specific to Kashmiri.

We are not , we just showing mirror to hypocrites which do double talk . aka China and PAK..

BTW , Chinese Muslims also don't like CHINA or their culture, But the way Chinese treat MUSLIMS their , if India started treating Kashmiri , you will start crying like anything.




This is Port is made the Afgan free from PAK blackmailing..... India and IRAN worked together in Afgan / and with NA during the period of Taliban.

Its is best of India diplomacy, India is friend with Israeli/ Iran/ US / Russian and no one is offended.

Pakistan never "black mailed" Afghanistan. It's only india which has recently black-mailed (no need for quotation marks here) it's much smaller neighbour Nepal - which is why Nepalese anti-indian sentiment is higher than it's ever been in history. Afghanistan is a fairly large land-locked country which will have access to 3 sea ports (2 via Pakistan) and nobody in Pakistan is upset or making noise over that we just want to ensure RAW doesnt stir up trouble in our Provinces the way your indian navy officer Yadhav (now rotting in a dungeon) was.

you're acting as if your paltry $300 million towards Chah bahar is some sudden game changer and that Pakistan is doomed

the rest of your post is pure rubbish, just like most things i could expect from some internet-baniya like yourself who in reality is just a little dummy

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Pakistan never "black mailed" Afghanistan. It's only india which has recently black-mailed (no need for quotation marks here) it's much smaller neighbour Nepal - which is why Nepalese anti-indian sentiment is higher than it's ever been in history. Afghanistan is a fairly large land-locked country which will have access to 3 sea ports (2 via Pakistan)

that's why you didn't allowed them to trade with INDIA and didn't allow them to take material from INDIA.. Check your conditions.

and nobody in Pakistan is upset or making noise over that we just want to ensure RAW doesnt stir up trouble in our Provinces the way your Indian navy officer Yadhav (now rotting in a dungeon) was.

That's why you made a video with many edits in it, just bring some good editor next time.

you're acting as if your paltry $300 million towards Chah bahar is some sudden game changer and that Pakistan is doomed

the rest of your post is pure rubbish, just like most things i could expect from some internet-baniya like yourself who in reality is just a little dummy

lol, not we just made sure that INDIAN good reach afgan while PAK cant stop it now.

 

[Centurion2016]

USA seems to be backing india to the hilt on everything at the moment .

Most of USA actions seem against Pakistani vested interests

 

[Hemlock Khalid]

Chabahar has less depth than Gwadar I think...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

by 2017, the U.S. tax payer will have funded $2.5 trillion on a campaign in Afghanistan that proved to be an abysmal failure nearly along the lines of Viet Nam.....it's probably best that the U.S. adopts an isolationist approach for a few years. Their meddling where it doesnt belong has done more harm unto them and our region than good

The existence of different port options will bode well for Afghanistan but any attempt to sabotage or black mail either China or Pakistan over Gwadar and CPEC will be met with iron force and a sound response Inshallah....China is the next superpower and the new Silk Road project must be at the forefront of our agenda. To hell with those who are offended by CPEC and Gwadar, let them cry and bark away

They also recently quoted European lawmakers that the EU was going to impose sanctions on Pakistan but
it turned out to be a dud. Not even mentioned by any European news agency.(Not that anything more expected from an Indian news site)

Why aren't there any american or neutral sources? Supporting an Iranian project is a big deal after all.

from a purely intelligence/geo-political perspective - it doesnt seem too far-fetched actually.....though the author of this article would be naiive to assume that there aren't different power circles in Washington DC politics. You have State, Commerce, DoD, Langley (CIA), DIA, etc. and getting them all on the same page (especially State vs. security establishment) is a monumental sometimes impossible task. Especially with regards to how they deal with Iran, or issues like nuclear treaties etc.

the White House and State want to go ahead with Iran negotiations whereas the Pentagon is still fuming livid over the capture of American navy sailors @ Hormuz straights early this year by the Iranian coast guards. Who wins the next election also is pertinent. But at any rate, USA is an un-invited guest in the region whereas Pakistan is here to stay forever and ever and Pakistan must safeguard its interests and needs leadership that can deliver, and manage the country's PR (something we are completely lacking right now)

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

that's why you didn't allowed them to trade with INDIA and didn't allow them to take material from INDIA.. Check your conditions.



That's why you made a video with many edits in it, just bring some good editor next time.




lol, not we just made sure that INDIAN good reach afgan while PAK cant stop it now.

Wrong. Indian goods are already getting to Afghanistan with or without Chabahar port or any other port for that matter. That is of no concern to us. As long as nothing Indian goes through Pakistani territory then we are happy.

 

[Serpentine]

The title says "U.S backs Chabahar blah blah" and the only one it quotes is a random 'analyst' and yet, we have people here whining for 8 pages that Iran and U.S are in a secret friendship and have been pretending to be enemies for 37 years for one single reason: to destroy Pakistan and especially the Gwadar port. Seems like a perfectly planned strategy.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Wrong. Indian goods are already getting to Afghanistan with or without Chabahar port or any other port for that matter. That is of no concern to us. As long as nothing Indian goes through Pakistani territory then we are happy.

lol, you didn't allow Afgan trucks to carry back good from India.