US B-52 bombers fly near Chinese made islands in South China Sea

[Viet]

The neocon think tanks want a war, but the US corporations don't want any war with China.

Do you think who is in charge of America?

Just take a look at the bigger picture, the major US corporations like GM/GE/Intel/Dell/Boeing are still moving their manufacturing plants in China.

Yes, the clock is counting down for the neocon chickenhawks, but the obstruction from the US corporations simply make impossible.

The US corporations have the lobbyism power to remove you from the office you don't want to be cooperative.

Close economic dependency did not stop Japan and America going to war. Nor hindering Germany starting military compaign against France and England in World War 1 and 2. Why do you think this time is different? Why do you think China has a free hand to do what she likes because US companies invest in China?

 

[monitor]

Here is the clarification


B-2's might not have been detected. We want China to see what we are doing.

This is also an answer on what the intent of the Lassen naval patrol was. Expect more of the same from sea and air in the future on an ongoing basis, likely just small detours as our navy performs its normal duties and patrols in the South China Sea.

you can only petrol in south china sea but cannot stop china from building more island in south china sea . any confrontation may start third world war .btw what will do if thet starting H-6K patrolling near Guam ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Close economic dependency did not stop Japan and America going to war. Nor hindering Germany starting military compaign against France and England in World War 1 and 2. Why do you think this time is different? Why do you think China has a free hand to do what she likes because US companies invest in China?

1. The Imperial Japan was weak, only a tiny fraction of PRC's power, yet they were acting like a brash kid who attempted to invade the whole world.

2. Today is not the WWII era anymore, the nuclear war will bring the mankind back to the stone age.

3. Today is the Global economy, do you have an idea about the US-China trade?

The US corporations have more power than Obama, since Obama wants the US manufacturing jobs to stay in the US, but the US corporations still move them to China.

Why they are not listening to Obama?

It doesn't matter who is the US President, they are doing what according to their needs.

 

[anon45]

The neocon think tanks want a war, but the US corporations don't want any war with China.

Do you think who is in charge of America?

Just take a look at the bigger picture, the major US corporations like GM/GE/Intel/Dell/Boeing are still moving their manufacturing plants in China.

Yes, the clock is counting down for the neocon chickenhawks, but the obstruction from the US corporations simply make impossible.

The US corporations have the lobbyism power to remove you from the office you don't want to be cooperative.

They have the power to support the other candidate(s) when election time rolls around.

you can only petrol in south china sea but cannot stop china from building more island in south china sea . any confrontation may start third world war .btw what will do if thet starting H-6K patrolling near Guam ?

We don't care about the islands themselves, as far as we are concerned it is an artificial structure in the sea. It is the maritime claims made based on these artificial islands that we care about..

As for what we'd do at guam?

Escort it out,

Bombers, fighters and recon planes testing our response is nothing new or unexpected, our government doesn't make a fuss over it.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They have the power to support the other candidate(s) when election time rolls around.

Which candidate will be different when he/she officially becomes the US President?

The slogans during the election don't count.

 

[Viet]

1. The Imperial Japan was weak, only a tiny fraction of PRC's power, yet they were acting like a brash kid who attempted to invade the whole world.

2. Today is not the WWII era anymore, the nuclear war will bring the mankind back to the stone age.

3. Today is the Global economy, do you have an idea about the US-China trade?

The US corporations have more power than Obama, since Obama wants the US manufacturing jobs to stay in the US, but the US corporations still move them to China.

Why they are not listening to Obama?

It doesn't matter who is the US President, they are doing what according to their needs.

1. Japan proved its military prowess, while you never reached the level what Japan had seized in foreign territories.

2. remember of Cuba crisis when both sides had the fingers on the nuclear buttons? nuclear weapons do not hinder war between nuclear weapons states. it just increases the level, the threshold one party wants to place the bet. it is not wise to place your life on the poker table based on assumptions.

3. do you have any idea about what happens when US allies begin to question and doubt America commitment to defence her allies? the day that happens will mark the day of ending of US hegemony in the world. do you think it is worth for America to increase trades with China, for the price giving up the status of Superpower?

Obama still can surprise anyone here.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

1. Japan proved its military prowess, while you never reached the level what Japan had seized in foreign territories.

2. remember of Cuba crisis when both sides had the fingers on the nuclear buttons? nuclear weapons do not hinder war between nuclear weapons states. it just increases the level, the threshold one party wants to place the bet. it is not wise to place your life on the poker table based on assumptions.

3. do you have any idea about what happens when US allies begin to question and doubt America commitment to defence her allies? the day that happens will mark the day of US hegemony in the world. do you think it is worth for America to increase trades with China, for the price giving up the status of Superpower?

Obama still can surprise anyone here.

1. Do you know how Japan got their military power during the WWII? It was to sacrifice the living standard of their people as an expense and to spend most of their GDP on the military expenditure. While their actually industrial capability was only 1/8 of the US. In comparison, today's China is approximately 1.5 times the power of the US. Japan lost the war because they easily got worn down by the US in the production, but this won't be the case with China. And China got over thousand nukes in their inventory, do you think this is any joke to engage into a war with a country like that?

2. Cuba was different, since it was crossing the red line of the US, that's why the US wouldn't back down. But the SCS is the red line of China, and China won't back down, and few islands 10000 km away from the US mainland is not the core national interests for the US.

3. The US corporations don't give a sh1t about Obama's diplomatic policy with its allies. The profit comes first in their mind, and this is the essential nature of the US capitalism. They don't even give a sh1t about Obama's domestic economic plan, and whey they have to give a sh1t about the US allies? Not mentioning the US allies from the Asia-Pacific is not the same as those from the Europe.

 

[LeGenD]

The neocon think tanks want a war, but the US corporations don't want any war with China.

Do you think who is in charge of America?

Just take a look at the bigger picture, the major US corporations like GM/GE/Intel/Dell/Boeing are still moving their manufacturing plants in China.

Yes, the clock is counting down for the neocon chickenhawks, but the obstruction from the US corporations simply make impossible.

The US corporations have the lobbyism power to remove you from the office you don't want to be cooperative.

US corporations cannot defy US law. Recently, US Department of Commerce stopped Intel from shipping Xeon series processors to China and this ban will remain in effect for years to come.

US corporations are actually planning to restore manufacturing at home and studying the feasibility of India as an overseas manufacturing hub. Labor costs are on the rise in China and geo-political rifts between US and China are making the prospects of additional investment in China less appealing for US corporations with passage of time.

China will have to increasingly rely on its indigenous Industrial capability to fulfill its objectives in the near future. Geo-political scenarios continue to change with passage of time.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US corporations cannot defy US law. Recently, US Department of Commerce stopped Intel from shipping Xeon series processors to China and this ban will remain in effect for years to come.

US corporations are actually planning to restore manufacturing at home and studying the feasibility of India as an overseas manufacturing hub. Labor costs are on the rise in China and geo-political rifts between US and China are making the prospects of additional investment in China less appealing for US corporations with passage of time.

China will have to increasingly rely on its indigenous Industrial capability to fulfill its objectives in the near future. Geo-political scenarios continue to change with passage of time.

Sound nice on the paper.

However, when it comes to the feasibility, it is a totally different matter.

India doesn't have the infrastructure to sustain those manufacturing jobs. And good luck to expect a country that needs over a decade to build a single destroyer to become the second China.

Here, I provide you here a good example that demonstrates the difference between the reality and the wishful thinking.

Tesla drives past India, into China - The Times of India

 

[LeGenD]

Sound nice on the paper.

However, when it comes to the feasibility, it is a totally different matter.

India doesn't have the infrastructure to sustain those manufacturing jobs. And good luck to expect a country that needs over a decade to build a single destroyer to become the second China.

Here, I provide you here a good example that demonstrates the difference between the reality and the wishful thinking.

Tesla drives past India, into China - The Times of India

I am highlighting latest (and emerging) trends in the manufacturing industry, my friend.

When US corporations invested in China, did China had the necessary infrastructure during those times? Corporations (actually) set the stage of development and prosperity in any nation.

US corporations found China appealing for investment due to a number of factors but some of those factors are now diminishing in worth. US corporations will restore manufacturing back at home and transform India into a major overseas manufacturing hub in years to come. These are indications of shift in geo-political dynamics.

Look at the bright side: China have benefitted from foreign investment and developed its own Industrial capability.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am highlighting latest (and emerging) trends in the manufacturing industry, my friend.

When US corporations invested in China, did China had the necessary infrastructure during those times?

Corporations (actually) set the stage of development and prosperity in any nation.

US corporations found China appealing for investment due to a number of factors but some of those factors are now diminishing in worth.

Look at the bright side: China have benefitted from foreign investment and developed its own Industrial capability.

Tesla is just a small example that mirrors the rest of the US companies. It makes no difference.

If China doesn't have the required infrastructure, then which developing country would have?

China will remain as by far the number one destination of the foreign investment for a very long period, whether you like it or not.

 

[LeGenD]

Tesla is just a small example that mirrors the rest of the US companies. It makes no difference.

Have a look:

If China doesn't have the required infrastructure, then which developing country would have?

China, at present, certainly have advanced infrastructure. However, China did not had such infrastructure during 1970s when US corporations were in the early stages of investment in China.

China will remain as by far the number one destination of the foreign investment for a very long period, whether you like it or not.

This will depend upon China's geo-political ambitions. If such ambitions make foreign investment no longer feasible, expect major surprises. Trusting US corporations is a mistake.

This might surprise you: Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America - MarketWatch

Japan and Taiwan are also shifting manufacturing to US. Taiwan, in particular, fears the possibility of conflict with China and does not wants to risk destruction of its Industrial capability.

Indigenous Industrial capability is the key to independence and strength for every nation.

My personal liking is irrelevant in these matters. I am realist and a strong advocate of indigenous Industrial capability.

 

[xunzi]

Of course it was legal, even the PLAN’s passage near US territories was not illegal, that is why the US never officially declared that the PLAN was violating any laws.

However, it is clear that China considered what the US did was illegal. The Chinese foreign ministry clearly said it was so on two different occasions. There is no misunderstanding on that, the official PRC FM website explicitly said it was illegal and that the US had violated both international and domestic Chinese law. Those were the words straight from the PRC foreign ministry, not from a third party.

I said it before. We thought what they did was an infringement on our territorial right, which by definition is illegal in international law. However, the US clarified that it was an innocent passage, thus this initial reaction can be considered a misunderstanding between two parties.

 

[Viva_Viet]

But the SCS is the red line of China, and China won't back down, and few islands 10000 km away from the US mainland is not the core national interests for the US.

3. The US corporations don't give a sh1t about Obama's diplomatic policy with its allies. The profit comes first in their mind, and this is the essential nature of the US capitalism. They don't even give a sh1t about Obama's domestic economic plan, and whey they have to give a sh1t about the US allies? Not mentioning the US allies from the Asia-Pacific is not the same as those from the Europe.

SCS ( east VN sea) is also the red line of JP since 70% JP merchant ships must passing through, so JP wont back down, too.

So, you guys have to fight again if CN try to control the crucial ship lane of JP.

VN-US will sit and watch the show

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

SCS ( east VN sea) is also the red line of JP since 70% JP merchant ships must passing through, so JP wont back down, too.

So, you guys have to fight again if CN try to control the crucial ship lane of JP.

VN-US will sit and watch the show

One on one, Japan won't last for few days.