US B-52 bombers fly near Chinese made islands in South China Sea

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don't get it.

China will not shoot anything to give a reason for the US to destroy those islands. China will just escort the ships and aircraft as if it neared the mainland itself.

The current situation works perfectly for China.

China militarises those islands which allows China to station its military assets on those islands thus extending the reach of the Chinese military. US will patrol to save face to its allies and show its domestic audience its still influential, China will escort and send strong diplomatic statements to show China is unhappy to please the domestic audience, but the bottomline is those islands will be militarised to hold Chinese military assets which significantly extends the reach of the Chinese military.

As long as China militaries those islands, China is winning this game. Because once its militarised and hold PLA assets, if the US military destroys them, that will be an act of war against China. The last thing the US wants is a war with a powerful military like the PLA. The US is caught between a rock and a hard place. China has checkmated the US. You don't even realise.

China has now suffered too much in the production overcapacity.

So now it is the time to turn these overcapacities into the war machines, and it looks like Xi Jinping has the balls to do that.

 

[Economic superpower]

Check this.

China's New Anti-Stealth Radar Material: Technology Could Make Jets, Ships Harder To Detect

By sending the F-22 and B-2, it would give China the ability to tests out its anti-stealth radars to see which one works best on the 'stealth' aircraft.

US will expose its trump card in a non-combat event which gives China a good idea about what to expect and allow China time to prepare countermeasures.

I hope they do send F-22 and B-2 frequently, it would help the Chinese military and its engineers.

 

[William Hung]

By sending the F-22 and B-2, it would give China the ability to tests out its anti-stealth radars to see which one works best on the 'stealth' aircraft.

US will expose its trump card in a non-combat event which gives China a good idea about what to expect and allow China time to prepare countermeasures.

I hope they do send F-22 and B-2 frequently, it would help the Chinese military and its engineers.

Yes I agree with that. And the reason to use a B-52 is to make sure China knew about its presence, to test how China would react to it. Someone else said it was a political posture, which mean the US would want to make sure China know its presence.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

By sending the F-22 and B-2, it would give China the ability to tests out its anti-stealth radars to see which one works best on the 'stealth' aircraft.

US will expose its trump card in a non-combat event which gives China a good idea about what to expect and allow China time to prepare countermeasures.

I hope they do send F-22 and B-2 frequently, it would help the Chinese military and its engineers.

Last time, F-22 was approaching China's border with North Korea, but it immediately returned to Guam.

I couldn't find the article now, but it was either in 2014 or early 2015.

 

[William Hung]

Last time, F-22 was approaching China's border with North Korea, but it immediately returned to Guam.

I couldn't find the article now, but it was either in 2014 or early 2015.

Let’s not go off topic bro. This thread is about a B-52 and its overflight in the SCS.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes I agree with that. And the reason to use a B-52 is to make sure China knew about its presence, to test how China would react to it. Someone else said it was a political posture, which mean the US would want to make sure China know its presence.

That B-52 standoff is quite insignificant.

Last year there was a real standoff as the US has sent the P-8 to conduct the surveillance on China's nuclear sub base in the SCS. And underwater, the P-8 was probably accompanied with the Seawolf/Virginia class SSN.

 

[William Hung]

That B-52 standoff is quite insignificant.

Last year there was a real standoff as the US has sent the P-8 to conduct the surveillance on China's nuclear sub base in the SCS. And underwater, the P-8 was probably accompanied with the Seawolf/Virginia class SSN.

That P-8 and this B-52 were doing different operations.

The P-8 was on a surveillance operation while this B-52 is probably purely there for posturing. We all know they are not on any combat mission or any surveillance operation.

The question is, how will China will respond to it? lets wait for tomorrow to see what the FM will officially say.

More interesting is when the US send a vessel to do the same patrol again, how will China react? Especially when China has officially declared it as illegal and violating domestic Chinese laws. Can China stop the US from “violating” Chinese laws? or will China swallow its own words and declare that it is legal?

 

[Defunct]

#1 and #2 will never go to war over SCS. It's bad business for everyone. This is all for show. US needs to flex her muscles with election year coming up and also not lose face to the upcoming superpower. China, meanwhile, is playing a game of chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers. One thing I've learned about China, she always thinks long-term. While countries are thinking 20-30 years ahead, China is thinking 200-300 years ahead.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That P-8 and this B-52 were doing different operations.

The P-8 was on a surveillance operation while this B-52 is probably purely there for posturing. We all know they are not on any combat mission or any surveillance operation.

The question is, how will China will respond to it? lets wait for tomorrow to see what the FM will officially say.

More interesting is when the US send a vessel to do the same patrol again, how will China react? Especially when China has officially declared it as illegal and violating domestic Chinese laws. Can China stop the US from “violating” Chinese laws? or will China swallow its own words and declare that it is legal?

You can see different reactions from China.

China was much more agitated when the P-8 was trying to conduct the surveillance on the nuclear sub base, and the P-8 immediately got intercepted by the J-11B.

While this time, China was much more calm.

You didn't know that the P-8 event was much more exciting than these boring patrols around the island. When the P-8 was conducting a surveillance on China's nuclear subs, it also got accompanies underwater. There were probably a standoff between the nuclear subs from both side. However, the US media didn't report this hidden event.

 

[gambit]

That P-8 and this B-52 were doing different operations.

The P-8 was on a surveillance operation while this B-52 is probably purely there for posturing. We all know they are not on any combat mission or any surveillance operation.

We ? You know NOTHING of the sort.

While this may not have been a combat mission, it most certainly was a surveillance mission. You can bet whatever annual salary you make that those B-52s were equipped with various monitoring equipment.

 

[Nabil365]

Stop wasting time talking to the china people.USA should have flown B-2 bombers not B-52s....

 

[anon45]

McCain calls on Pentagon to clarify South China Sea patrol

By David BrunnstromNovember 11, 2015 2:43 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The chairman of the influential U.S. Senate Armed Services committee has called on the Pentagon to clarify publicly the legal intent of a U.S. patrol last month within 12 nautical miles of an island China has built in the South China Sea.

U.S. officials said last week that the U.S. Navy avoided military drills that could have further inflamed tensions with Beijing during the Oct. 27 patrol by the destroyer USS Lassen in the Spratly islands, an approach experts said could reinforce rather than challenge China's sovereignty claims.

Senator John McCain, the Republican head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a Nov. 9 letter to U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter it was vital there should be no misunderstanding about U.S. objectives.

"I believe it is critical that the Department of Defense publicly clarify ... the legal intent behind this operation and any future operations of a similar nature," McCain wrote in the letter seen by Reuters on Wednesday.

Washington argues that islands China has built up in the South China Sea are not entitled to a territorial limit under international law as they used to be under water at high tide.

China reacted angrily to the patrol near Subi Reef, which followed months of U.S. preparation, despite its lack of military drills.

But analysts said that if the Lassen failed to conduct military drills, the operation would have resembled what is known as "innocent passage," and could have reinforced China's claim to a territorial limit around the reef.

McCain called on Carter to clarify what excessive claims the Lassen was intending to challenge and whether the warship operated under the rules of innocent passage.

Innocent passage occurs when a ship quickly transits another country's territorial waters, and can only take place in waters belonging to another country.

Pentagon officials have given conflicting descriptions of the Lassen's maneuver.

A U.S. official speaking to Reuters at the time described it as an "innocent-passage" operation but later said that had been a mistake.

Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said on Nov. 4 the patrol was not an "innocent passage," but when pressed further the following day, he declined to explicitly restate that position or elaborate.

The Pentagon has yet to respond to McCain's letter, a spokesman said.
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So what exactly is the point of these FON operations? It now looks more and more like a "self fulfilled prophecy" , as Chinese have pointed out .

Here is the clarification

Stop wasting time talking to the china people.USA should have flown B-2 bombers not B-52s....

B-2's might not have been detected. We want China to see what we are doing.

This is also an answer on what the intent of the Lassen naval patrol was. Expect more of the same from sea and air in the future on an ongoing basis, likely just small detours as our navy performs its normal duties and patrols in the South China Sea.

 

[LeGenD]

You don't get it.

China will not shoot anything to give a reason for the US to destroy those islands. China will just escort the ships and aircraft as if it neared the mainland itself.

The current situation works perfectly for China.

China militarises those islands which allows China to station its military assets on those islands thus extending the reach of the Chinese military. US will patrol to save face to its allies and show its domestic audience its still influential, China will escort and send strong diplomatic statements to show China is unhappy to please the domestic audience, but the bottomline is those islands will be militarised to hold Chinese military assets which significantly extends the reach of the Chinese military.

As long as China militaries those islands, China is winning this game. Because once its militarised and hold PLA assets, if the US military destroys them, that will be an act of war against China. The last thing the US wants is a war with a powerful military like the PLA. The US is caught between a rock and a hard place. China has checkmated the US. You don't even realise.

US is still the most powerful nation in the world and its war-fighting capabilities should not be underestimated, my Chinese friend.

Read this: http://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/Publications/2015_National_Military_Strategy.pdf (PDF file)

Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya served as testing venues for new military doctrines for preparation of the real war strategy labelled as FULL-SPECTRUM HYBRID that will be adopted for tackling threats like Russia and China should the need arise.

China have not fought a major war since Vietnam in 1979 and considerably lacks in war-fighting experience in comparison to US. Moreover, US armed forces have unparalleled network-centric warfare capabilities at the moment.

Even Chinese experts have ranked US no. 1 in national strength in a recent Chinese yellow report titled Comprehensive National Power in 2015.

China should avoid a direct military conflict with US and make efforts to resolve its issues with diplomacy. After making so much progress, China should not risk loosing it all in a war that may result in destruction of its military might and infrastructure.

 

[Viet]

To provoke the current China into a war is not a good idea, even for those most hawkish neocons.

It is all about the proxy war, the US only wants to obstruct China's one belt one road plan.

Also don't forget the currency warfare.

I think a confrontation is inevitable. You are keen to take control over the SC Sea, threatening the livelyhood of US allies Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Philippines. That is unacceptable. America can't sit idle. The clock is counting down.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think a confrontation is inevitable. You are keen to take control over the SC Sea, threatening the livelyhood of US allies Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Philippines. That is unacceptable. America can't sit idle. The clock is counting down.

The neocon think tanks want a war, but the US corporations don't want any war with China.

Do you think who is in charge of America?

Just take a look at the bigger picture, the major US corporations like GM/GE/Intel/Dell/Boeing are still moving their manufacturing plants in China.

Yes, the clock is counting down for the neocon chickenhawks, but the obstruction from the US corporations simply make impossible.

The US corporations have the lobbyism power to remove you from the office you don't want to be cooperative.