US assures China 38th parallel pullback if North Korean war | Guardian

[Martian2]

A billion dollar question, why does it bother US? So many countries have nukes, China don't say anything like that. Russia doesn't say anything like that. Why US wants to bully other countries? US should first denuclearize itself and its Allies then ask other countries to follow her, else, STFU.

You are asking questions that only belong in a college debate class.

In the real world, the United States is the world's foremost superpower.

You cannot ignore the concerns of the United States.

Compromise with the United States is necessary.

 

[hirobo2]

God favors the weak not the strong. In Korean War 2.0, SK and Japan are toast. I do hope Uncle Sam expedites this process coz it's so boring just listening to ppl talk no action...


(All joking aside, jack will happen before 2020. Could you guys imagine Japan hosting the Olympics right next to a war zone?)

 

[Martian2]

Here is how I see the North Korean situation being resolved.

1. North Korea refuses to talk to China and the United States. North Korea continues nuclear tests. Trump gets fed up and bombs North Korea.

2. North Korea stops nuclear tests. North Korea becomes Asia's Israel. North Korea has nukes, but keeps a low profile. Other countries ignore North Korea like the way they ignore Israel's nuclear capability.

3. North Korea stops nuclear tests. North Korea cooperates with China in liberalizing and modernizing the North Korean economy. China provides Kim Jong Un with an out. In case Kim Jong Un is about to be overthrown, China will provide sanctuary to Kim Jong Un in China with immunity from international prosecution.

In my view, these are the only three reasonable outcomes for North Korea.

 

[Martian2]

If North Korea stops nuclear tests then the status quo is preserved. America will ignore Kim Jong Un.

However, if North Korea continues nuclear tests, the United States will definitely respond at some point in time.

The question is when?

President Trump will run for re-election (because he has already filed with the FEC), when voters go to the polls on November 7, 2020.

Thus, I think it is unlikely that President Trump will bomb North Korea in the near future. Voters will forget about his achievement in 2020, which is three years into the future.

To remind the American electorate of his role as commander-in-chief, I think President Trump will most likely bomb North Korea about one year before re-election.

I predict the United States is most likely to bomb North Korea two years from now. This will give President Trump one full year to run re-election television ads touting his achievement in making the world safer by removing the North Korean nuclear threat.

 

[LeGenD]

I think if America attacks which I don't think they ever will. Some major American cities will be dust.

Really?

The GMD system has 44 interceptors in deployment at present, ready to intercept an ICBM-class target on 24/7 basis. Successful intercept of long-range ballistic missiles in two major tests (2014 and 2017) validate the claims that GMD system is up to the task.

North Korea is in the process of testing its long-range missiles at present; there is a massive difference in testing an ICBM and inducting it in large numbers which is impossible, given the state of North Korean economy. For example, Pakistan has tested Shaheen-III ballistic missile in 2015 and it will not be mass-produced anytime soon (not even inducted yet).

North Korea's ability to strike US mainland with a nuclear warhead is largely suspect in the light of its technological limitations and budgetary constraints; chest-thumping on media notwithstanding. And this is a line that no country will dare to cross because US will "exterminate" the culprit in response.

Another thing is that Pentagon has amassed a great deal of Intel about North Korean military and strategic developments through various means over time. If US will attack North Korea, objective would be diminish North Korean offensive capability ASAP with a large number of strikes on important targets with a wide-range of jamming techniques in the mix.

Chinese leadership has also informed North Korean leadership in secrecy that if North Korea dares to strike US territory, all bets are off.

Geopolitical situation is also different at present; China was largely independent of American investment in its economy in the 1950s but this is no longer the case. China is not welcoming a war between the US and North Korea but if it has to choose between the two sides, it will choose to side with the US due to cost-benefit considerations involved (terms and conditions apply of-course which are being negotiated as we speak).

Chinese leadership has also conveyed a message to North Korean leadership [in secrecy] that if it chooses to target US territory in the Pacific, all bets are off. This is why North Korea is very careful in adjusting the trajectory of its long-range missiles in recent tests.

Did you notice the trajectory of a long-range North Korean missile in a recent test? A large chunk of its flight was expended in space and distance covered on the ground was relatively short.

You think about these matters in black and white terms but reality is far more complex and American threats cannot be taken with a grain of salt. If they are serious about disarming North Korea, then the clock is ticking.

War is a terrible thing and it only invites death and destruction in the region. Millions might die in this conflict, Koreans mostly.

America has not won a war since 1945. What makes anyone think it would win the new Korean War?

Misconception.

1. When North Korea invaded South Korea in 1951, US intervened and reversed this occupation effort (Battle of Pusan; Battle of Pusan Perimeter; Battle of Inchon). China saved North Korea from counter-annexation actually. Nonetheless, South Korea has progressed really well and is on good terms with the US since.

2. US closed the chapter of Manuel Noriega in Panama in 1990 (i.e. Operation Just Cause); Panama is on good terms with the US since.

3. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1991, US intervened and reversed this occupation (i.e. Operation Desert Storm). Iraqi military strength diminished consequently.

4. When Kosovo desired freedom from Russian-backed Yugoslavia in 1999, US intervened and Kosovo earned its freedom consequently (i.e. Operation Allied Force). Yugoslavian military strength diminished consequently.

5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya in 2011 (i.e. Operation Odyssey Dawn). Libyan military strength diminished consequently.

6. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in the period (2003 - 2006). Iraq is in ruins unfortunately.

7. US closed the chapter of Al-Qaeda Network across the world in the period (2001 - 2011).

Victory implies fulfillment of political objectives and/or elimination of key opponents in the [target] region. US has achieved victory in majority of its wars throughout its history.

At present, US is on the verge of closing the chapter of ISIS across the world (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve) and shifting its attention to resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u...y-long-winter-for-the-taliban/article/2643252

If Trump administration stay in power for long, US will succeed in Afghanistan as well.

 

[Trango Towers]

Really?

The GMD system has 44 interceptors in deployment at present, ready to intercept an ICBM-class target on 24/7 basis. Successful intercept of long-range ballistic missiles in two major tests (2014 and 2017) validate the claims that GMD system is up to the task.

North Korea is in the process of testing its long-range missiles at present; there is a massive difference in testing an ICBM and inducting it in large numbers which is impossible, given the state of North Korean economy. For example, Pakistan has tested Shaheen-III ballistic missile in 2015 and it will not be mass-produced anytime soon (not even inducted yet).

North Korea's ability to strike US mainland with a nuclear warhead is largely suspect in the light of its technological limitations and budgetary constraints; chest-thumping on media notwithstanding. And this is a line that no country will dare to cross because US will "exterminate" the culprit in response.

Another thing is that Pentagon has amassed a great deal of Intel about North Korean military and strategic developments through various means over time. If US will attack North Korea, objective would be diminish North Korean offensive capability ASAP with a large number of strikes on important targets with a wide-range of jamming techniques in the mix.

Chinese leadership has also informed North Korean leadership in secrecy that if North Korea dares to strike US territory, all bets are off.

Geopolitical situation is also different at present; China was largely independent of American investment in its economy in the 1950s but this is no longer the case. China is not welcoming a war between the US and North Korea but if it has to choose between the two sides, it will choose to side with the US due to cost-benefit considerations involved (terms and conditions apply of-course which are being negotiated as we speak).

Chinese leadership has also conveyed a message to North Korean leadership [in secrecy] that if it chooses to target US territory in the Pacific, all bets are off. This is why North Korea is very careful in adjusting the trajectory of its long-range missiles in recent tests.

Did you notice the trajectory of a long-range North Korean missile in a recent test? A large chunk of its flight was expended in space and distance covered on the ground was relatively short.

You think about these matters in black and white terms but reality is far more complex and American threats cannot be taken with a grain of salt. If they are serious about disarming North Korea, then the clock is ticking.

War is a terrible thing and it only invites death and destruction in the region. Millions might die in this conflict, Koreans mostly.


Misconception.

1. When North Korea invaded South Korea in 1951, US intervened and reversed this occupation effort (Battle of Pusan; Battle of Pusan Perimeter; Battle of Inchon). China saved North Korea from counter-annexation actually. Nonetheless, South Korea has progressed really well and is on good terms with the US since.

2. US closed the chapter of Manuel Noriega in Panama in 1990 (i.e. Operation Just Cause); Panama is on good terms with the US since.

3. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1991, US intervened and reversed this occupation (i.e. Operation Desert Storm). Iraqi military strength diminished consequently.

4. When Kosovo desired freedom from Russian-backed Yugoslavia in 1999, US intervened and Kosovo earned its freedom consequently (i.e. Operation Allied Force). Yugoslavian military strength diminished consequently.

5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya in 2011 (i.e. Operation Odyssey Dawn). Libyan military strength diminished consequently.

6. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in the period (2003 - 2006). Iraq is in ruins unfortunately.

7. US closed the chapter of Al-Qaeda Network across the world in the period (2001 - 2011).

Victory implies fulfillment of political objectives and/or elimination of key opponents in the [target] region. US has achieved victory in majority of its wars throughout its history.

At present, US is on the verge of closing the chapter of ISIS across the world (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve) and shifting its attention to resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u...y-long-winter-for-the-taliban/article/2643252

If Trump administration stay in power for long, US will succeed in Afghanistan as well.

You wrote all that but tell me who and what is going to stop a needle travelling at mach 22. What radar will pick it up. What a waste of your time. Ps. After really I didn't bother to read

 

[LeGenD]

You wrote all that but tell me who and what is going to stop a needle travelling at mach 22. What radar will pick it up. What a waste of your time. Ps. After really I didn't bother to read

GMD system, my friend.

Learn about detection mechanisms and sensor systems involved here: http://www.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/homelandmissiledefensesensors.png

How do you think the GMD system intercepted an ICBM-class target in a test in 2017 from 4500 miles away? With guess-work?

GMD interceptor races towards its target at the speed of MACH 26.

The fundamental flaw is not to read and learn; a basic tenet of Islam.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

US has always been a paranoid country. In the 18th century they were hunting witches, in 1950s they jailed and executed many Communist sympathisers. In 2017, it's hunting men who allegedly harassed women

So true, Glad Russia and China can challenge US now in any field.

You are asking questions that only belong in a college debate class.

In the real world, the United States is the world's foremost superpower.

You cannot ignore the concerns of the United States.

Compromise with the United States is necessary.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[AndrewJin]

Here is how I see the North Korean situation being resolved.

1. North Korea refuses to talk to China and the United States. North Korea continues nuclear tests. Trump gets fed up and bombs North Korea.

2. North Korea stops nuclear tests. North Korea becomes Asia's Israel. North Korea has nukes, but keeps a low profile. Other countries ignore North Korea like the way they ignore Israel's nuclear capability.

3. North Korea stops nuclear tests. North Korea cooperates with China in liberalizing and modernizing the North Korean economy. China provides Kim Jong Un with an out. In case Kim Jong Un is about to be overthrown, China will provide sanctuary to Kim Jong Un in China with immunity from international prosecution.

In my view, these are the only three reasonable outcomes for North Korea.

I support kim, jin=kim

 

[Trango Towers]

GMD system, my friend.

Learn about detection mechanisms and sensor systems involved here: http://www.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/homelandmissiledefensesensors.png

How do you think the GMD system intercepted an ICBM-class target in a test in 2017 from 4500 miles away? With guess-work?

GMD interceptor races towards its target at the speed of MACH 26.

The fundamental flaw is not to read and learn; a basic tenet of Islam.

Looool ok. Racers at mach 26