Twin Engined J-10? What Happened to it

[Vapnope]

From a layman perspective a fifth gen bird would make more sense than buying a 4th or 4.5th gen birds. I would base my argument on two assumptions,
1 - Fifth gen plane brings shock value with it even if we are talking about one squadron strength
2 - 4th gen bird and 4.5th gen planes would be phased out sooner than a 5th gen plane so a cash strapped country would think more to invest into something that has more life span and utility in the future.

Of course the pretext is that 5th gen bird is available to Pakistan...

 

[TheTallGuy]

Oh bhai J-20 is out of our reach and every weapons of China is not for export,J-20 is their strategic technology how can they export their strategic tech to Pakistan???
J-10 or customized version of FC-31 will be more probable
And J-10 has less range as a maritime strike jet as compare to J-15
And your logic doesn't make any sense that Pakistan has no carrier so it can't buy J-15

There are lots countries buys F/A 18 that haven't any Aircraft Carriers from USA

You are correct as i said it could be a long shot but as you may have noticed Indians have gone to US as strategic ally against china what is stopping china to up the ante... it is food for thought...plus they are securing galwan for what? because ever since Indians have claimed Gilgit-Baltistan as disputed territory Chinese strategic interest are on the threatened (CPEC)

My conclusion is either its J10C or J20A

 

[ziaulislam]

There was a lot of rumours some time ago of a twin-engined J-10. I remember even Crobato, a well known Chinese poster spoke about it. What happened to this project?

The project interests me because of the recent rumours of a new Chinese aircraft that PAF may be acquiring. A twin-engined J-10 makes perfect sense for the PAF, as the engines will most likely be a RD-33 / WS-13 meaning commonality with the JF-17.

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I thought of starting a new thread rather than posting on another thread and derailing that thread.

Here are some things a quick googling brought me (comment by Crobato on SDF):



@TheTallGuy didn't want to divert that thread so thought of putting this here.

I mean this doesnt even fit the rumors category ..more a fantasy category ..
Probably should add what if in the thread

If there is any truth to new plan...it will be j10 j16 or less likely fc31..
J20 isnt happening as chinese still dont see pakistan as "strategic alley" ..this isnt the cold war..and neither we can afford to operate a plateform like that..

 

[HAIDER]

There was a lot of rumours some time ago of a twin-engined J-10. I remember even Crobato, a well known Chinese poster spoke about it. What happened to this project?

The project interests me because of the recent rumours of a new Chinese aircraft that PAF may be acquiring. A twin-engined J-10 makes perfect sense for the PAF, as the engines will most likely be a RD-33 / WS-13 meaning commonality with the JF-17.

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I thought of starting a new thread rather than posting on another thread and derailing that thread.

Here are some things a quick googling brought me (comment by Crobato on SDF):



@TheTallGuy didn't want to divert that thread so thought of putting this here.

This is AC based concept.

 

[araz]

There was a lot of rumours some time ago of a twin-engined J-10. I remember even Crobato, a well known Chinese poster spoke about it. What happened to this project?

The project interests me because of the recent rumours of a new Chinese aircraft that PAF may be acquiring. A twin-engined J-10 makes perfect sense for the PAF, as the engines will most likely be a RD-33 / WS-13 meaning commonality with the JF-17.

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I thought of starting a new thread rather than posting on another thread and derailing that thread.

Here are some things a quick googling brought me (comment by Crobato on SDF):



@TheTallGuy didn't want to divert that thread so thought of putting this here.

What would be the sense of initiating another twin engined product when they already have one that works and they are working towards J20? Another 4th generation fighter at this time would be madness especially in the presence of all else that is going on with the Chinese. I have heard they have stopped any progression on the J16 for the same reason.
My 2 paisas worth.
A

 

[Armchair]

The question asked is a simple one, there were rumours on Chinese forums some years back of a twin engined J-10 "super 10" or whatever. I'm just not up to date with that story. The question I asked was for my knowledge - what happened to this story?

When did it die out or did it die out, what is the information on the chinese forums about this project. Or did this simply die down completely. This is a request for information but some dum dums seem to have failed their English comprehension exams. @ziaulislam I am looking at you.

@Armchair
What i think you are emphasizing on is the Project Azm (Which is in collaboration with Chengdu) but you do not send Cat "A" pilots this early you will send test pilots (we have four) when the prototypes are ready.

Operational Pilots are sent for Initial training and bringing the equipment that is purchased.

That's interesting. Isn't Project Azm also somewhat similar to a twin engined J-10? In any case, I agree that its too early to send a group of fighter pilots for anything related to Project Azm.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You are correct as i said it could be a long shot but as you may have noticed Indians have gone to US as strategic ally against china what is stopping china to up the ante... it is food for thought...plus they are securing galwan for what? because ever since Indians have claimed Gilgit-Baltistan as disputed territory Chinese strategic interest are on the threatened (CPEC)

My conclusion is either its J10C or J20A

J-20 HASN'T ANY CHANCE FOR PAF, CHINA BANNED J-20 EXPORT, JUST LIKE USA F-22, IF WE ARE LUCKY THAN WE WILL GET J-16 AT BEST

The question asked is a simple one, there were rumours on Chinese forums some years back of a twin engined J-10 "super 10" or whatever. I'm just not up to date with that story. The question I asked was for my knowledge - what happened to this story?

When did it die out or did it die out, what is the information on the chinese forums about this project. Or did this simply die down completely. This is a request for information but some dum dums seem to have failed their English comprehension exams. @ziaulislam I am looking at you.

DEAD PROJECT SINCE LONG TIME

 

[Scorpiooo]

If not wrong we have 2 different information one is of inductions of J15 (pakistani version) as heavy bird to support PN.
other is PAF category A pilots in chengdu.

We know apparently chengdu and J15 have no link with each other.

So that can be possible Pakistan is going for 2 diffrent plateform at same time one heavyweight for naval role other in medium category or even high to counter rafales.

J15 and J10C make good combination if sharing same engine. (This combination has high possibilities) other combinations of J15 and J20 will be dream combination (but non realistic due to two reasons as both plane have high flyaway cost which PAF cant afford secondly J20 is not available for export as per chines rules)

 

[KaiserX]

Why would there be a need for a twin engined J-10 when the J-20 can perfectly already fill that role with a better airframe?

It has been discussed multiple times on this forum... Pakistans requirement related to Project Azm is a TWIN-ENGINED 5th generation fighter jet.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Why would there be a need for a twin engined J-10 when the J-20 can perfectly already fill that role with a better airframe?

It has been discussed multiple times on this forum... Pakistans requirement related to Project Azm is a TWIN-ENGINED 5th generation fighter jet.

In medium weight class not in heavy class

 

[KaiserX]

In medium weight class not in heavy class

The requirement is for mid-heavy weight class aircraft which is able to super-cruise. The design looks like a smaller version of the J-20. If the engines are similar to the ws-13 then its overall thrust will be double that of the JF-17s.

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/pr...th-generation-fighter-aircraft-program/18851/

The front end of the aircraft as well as the DSI intakes is strikingly similar to the JF-17/J-31, except with a delta-canard prevalent with J-10/J-20.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The requirement is for mid-heavy weight class aircraft which is able to super-cruise. The design looks like a smaller version of the J-20. If the engines are similar to the ws-13 then its overall thrust will be double that of the JF-17s.

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/pr...th-generation-fighter-aircraft-program/18851/

The front end of the aircraft as well as the DSI intakes is strikingly similar to the JF-17/J-31, except with a delta-canard prevalent with J-10/J-20.

Mid weight will be more probable and design is not finalize yet these are just concepts as in the video said 3 cycles left to freeze project AZM design

 

[Armchair]

Why would there be a need for a twin engined J-10 when the J-20 can perfectly already fill that role with a better airframe?

It has been discussed multiple times on this forum... Pakistans requirement related to Project Azm is a TWIN-ENGINED 5th generation fighter jet.

The same reason there is a J-31. Additionally, for aircraft carrier operations. I haven't been active on the Chinese forums in a while, so I'm looking to find the latest info here.

Perhaps I can get back on SDF and they would be the right forum to ask this question - I still have an account, wonder if I still remember the password of it.

Back then, the idea was that the J-31 had an equivalent competing program with a Chengdu product. Since Chengdu is known for delta canards, and because of all the rumours on Chinese forums back then, it was assumed that this was a twin engined delta canard.

 

[Scorpiooo]

The same reason there is a J-31. Additionally, for aircraft carrier operations. I haven't been active on the Chinese forums in a while, so I'm looking to find the latest info here.

Perhaps I can get back on SDF and they would be the right forum to ask this question - I still have an account, wonder if I still remember the password of it.

Back then, the idea was that the J-31 had an equivalent competing program with a Chengdu product. Since Chengdu is known for delta canards, and because of all the rumours on Chinese forums back then, it was assumed that this was a twin engined delta canard.

Do you really see china going entirely new 4th gen plateform now?
When working on 5th gen jets , J31/J35 actively and possibility of 2nd 5th gen with Pakistan in shape of AZM.

Pakistan going for J20 option is very sleek due to its operational cost and its export lock.

But can foresee solid requirement in near future (may be PAF already foresee it), becuz right now after china india faceoff. there is high percentage of india going for F35 in near future or already in talk counter J20.

 

[Armchair]

Perhaps people in the third world see things from far away and develop very strange and sometimes funny opinions. Fifth generation is not a cure all. No country in the world will go forward and have only fifth generation aircraft inducted. Not even the US.

Now, I can't explain this because I'm tired of the half-assed people who can't do their reading before making these sweeping statements and acting like others don't know and are "wrong". So little knowledge, so much bravado and ego...

This is not even relevant to the topic I started here. I don't know if this J-10 with twin engines - what it will be. What generation it will be. Or even if it even exists at all. Or if even existed at all. I asked for information and see just half-assed reply be people who don't do their research or reading but still have garbage opinions to share.